linkandzelda
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Pokemon Shuffle. Irrelevant as it is not a Game Freak game though.
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Pokémon Sun/Moon to contain multiple islands
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Pokemon Shuffle. Irrelevant as it is not a Game Freak game though.
flintstryker
Banned
Yeah I must be missing something because I don't remember any of the Pokemon games having DLC
Neoleo2143
Member
Well minus the mystery gift events. Free DLC and fun events like that are basically Pokemon tradition though.
Good environmental puzzles died after Gen IV. Too tough for those kids!
Citizen_Insane
Member
Would love if they finally did a hard mode, but of course Nintendo gonna Nintendo. I don't have interest in playing these games online anymore, so having the story mode require even an ounce of strategy would be wonderful. Never gonna happen tho
Finale Fireworker
Member
This is great.
Neoleo2143
Member
Well, I'd make the recommendation of changing to set battle first as shift battle inherently breaks Pokemon. It's how I've played the games since Gen 3 and had a great experience since.
MaximumSpider
Banned
Hoenn was the best region because of the water. 
Tacorona72
Member
This.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
Nintendo doesn't make Pokemon games.
Isn't it more a case of them being optional now? Relegated to secrets and taken away from the main path.
Wow, people have a warped view.
Series director, Junichi Masuda, has stated that he doesn't like the idea of kids having to spend money to get more of a game that should have been there at the outset, so there will be no DLC, no microtransactions. Deal with it.
Yep, that's pretty much it. HMs and puzzles like that are off to the side, for the explorers. It's just not necessary to get through from A to B
Series director, Junichi Masuda, has stated that he doesn't like the idea of kids having to spend money to get more of a game that should have been there at the outset, so there will be no DLC, no microtransactions. Deal with it.
Yep, that's pretty much it. HMs and puzzles like that are off to the side, for the explorers. It's just not necessary to get through from A to B
Yeah it was pretty obvious after looking at the region map.
Now the question is how will they handle travelling from island from island as people didn't like how Hoenn handled it and that was for small area.
Sooo Hawaii was created by Arceus then. ;p
Man if one island is that big and diverse it just makes me wonder how big the others will be.
Now the question is how will they handle travelling from island from island as people didn't like how Hoenn handled it and that was for small area.
Sooo Hawaii was created by Arceus then. ;p
Anyone who thought this
was the entire region was deluding themselves. Hawaii is much more than just O'ahu.
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Man if one island is that big and diverse it just makes me wonder how big the others will be.
NormalFish
Banned
looking forward to Soot Sack 2.0
I always do this too, and also avoid grinding at all costs, only facing trainers and gym leaders. It helps a little but still isn't enough to make it truly challenging outside one or two specific gym leaders like Elesa or Clay (BW2 hard mode if you come unprepared).The fundamental problem is that you have too many resources and your enemies have too few. You have a full team of 6 pokemon, nearly unlimited item usage, hold items and just generally a better team and options, while your enemies have... 2 to 3 underleveled Pokémon and abysmal AI. They also heal once in a while... Sometimes.
In order to make a legit hard mode for Pokémon you'd need to tweak the economy so that stacking Revives and Full Restores isn't a viable option, give enemies better team compositions with hold items like Life Orbs/Leftovers/etc (and make those more accessible to the player too), gym leaders with full teams and slightly better AI so that they may actually utilize strategies (like how Ghetsis would try to poison stall you with his Cofagrigus), preferrably give them properly trained EV/IV Pokemons and, most importantly, actually make sure to take Exp. Share into account so that their level curve scales accordingly.
They'll never actually do that though.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
Hardly any secrets though. In fact, the new games don't really leave much to be explored, and I think the DS games were the last to leave some areas explorable.
This is the second biggest island of the Hawaii islands. If they keep them to scale, the rest are going to be smaller.
Actually, it's the third largest island with Maui being slightly larger.
Yeah Unova in Black and White was a circle but it still had areas to explore that require HM which would reward the players with useful items, TM or rare Pokémon.
Kalos however lacked any areas to branch off to explore other than Azure Bay, which was a pain to explore due to the camera and Terminus Cave, which came late in the game.
It was always obvious to me that it would take place on more than one island.
It was obvious to everyone
Neoleo2143
Member
I do agree with the sentiment that they should explore giving the opponents more options though. More super Wallys would be dope.
You certainly use them in optional areas, but there's not much puzzle solving involved from what I can remember. I'm talking about stuff like RBY's Victory Road where you use strenght to move rocks between floors and position them in a specific tile so that they open up a new path for you to progress, or using rocks to stop the current water in order to get to Articuno with Surf. Nothing too elaborate, but it beats "move rock out of the way". Maybe there is some stuff like that in BW2's postgame which I didn't fully explore but I can't remember it on XY or BW.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
This is NeoGAF, such behavior is to be expected.
Except for gen 2, my team are currently between level 33-36 and I am about to start training them for the Elite 4.
Anyway I don't play on set as I prefer the freedom of switching out.
Super Wally, when did that happen?
I still can't believe HMs are a thing. Just make items Game Freak!
MegaManTrigger
Banned
It can only take you so far. Set only takes away your free switch, and even then, the AI isn't advanced enough to punish players for switching out. There's really nothing stopping one from switching after the AI throws out their Pokemon. Sure you lose the free turn, but again, the AI isn't that advanced enough to punish you for it.
Neoleo2143
Member
After Beating the Battle Maison Super Rank a bunch of times in ORAS, Wally upgrades his team to arguably the strongest team in the pokemon series single player, it's pretty easily dismantled in Shift battle, but on set battle, the dude is kind of a monster.
And at this point, what can you do to make the AI better without cheating (aka knowing exactly what you'll switch into)? The only way to make a good pokemon single player battle is to have the trainers run a single strategy to be countered by the player and have 6 pokemon, AI changes would simply have to be either in pursuit of the strategy or hitting a weakness that the player would have the sense to counter in some way. That's it, and it would be wholly satisfying to the player, I assure you. Routes and caves would be designed to wear down the player and the gyms test individual strategies associated with type. I rather enjoyed the Sinnoh gyms because of this idea.
On the topic of AI, It took decades to get chess AI to a competent level and even more years to get them to beat grandmasters and chess had hundreds of years to get all the metagame knowledge it needed. Now Pokemon is definitely not as in depth as Chess but the metagames and mind aspects of out thinking the other person are similar aspects. It's just not a reasonable expectation from a single player turn based series to ask AI of that level to run prediction algorithms and be an enjoyable experience in single player. (Not regarding the fact that most "AI" in games is actually complex Scripting to begin with)
Starfish Hero
Member
Do people just not know repels are a thing, or what? You don't even have to open up the menu to reuse them anymore.
Graphics Horse
Member
Anyone who thought this
was the entire region was deluding themselves. Hawaii is much more than just O'ahu.
This isn't EA.
Was this really a concern people had? You can see the individual footpaths on that picture!
Enemy encounters isn't the only issue though, water routes are boring because they all look and feel the same. You're in a large, open blue area with some trainers here and there. There's nothing interesting about traversing them and using repels doesn't solve that. They don't even have visual appeal since they all look boring and sameish (I mean, it's water, not much you can do about that), so there's really not much going for them. Dive makes them a little more interesting I guess but still not as much as land.
Hail Team Magma.
IncognitoPanda
Member
It wouldn't b difficult for them to implement something like ferries in this game betwen every island. Would almost be surprised if they didn't have it, at least for the bigger ones.
HMs should be removed, I agree. Keep it so that you have to defeat gym leaders to use them, but have HMs being "attributes", not moves. Every pokemon that may learn an HM automatically knows it without wasting move space. Or at the very least having them optional. Surf is awesome, at least in-game non-competitively, but it should still be optional.
HMs should be removed, I agree. Keep it so that you have to defeat gym leaders to use them, but have HMs being "attributes", not moves. Every pokemon that may learn an HM automatically knows it without wasting move space. Or at the very least having them optional. Surf is awesome, at least in-game non-competitively, but it should still be optional.
mrmickfran
Member
Can't wait to catch the legendary Pokémon Death GazeAGITΩ;204119818 said:
The problem with surfing isn't the random battles, because repels solve that, it's that everything looks the same and the variety of Pokemon that can be found is pretty low because nearly everything that can be found has to be related to water in some way.
Water routes are boring.
NormalFish
Banned
finding a bird, a rat, a few bugs and a radish isn't exactly a ton of variety either, but that's the sort of thing you see in many fields and forests.
Alternatively, a rock, a bat, a fairy and another rat
Alternatively, a rock, a bat, a fairy and another rat
Neoleo2143
Member
That's greatly underestimating the variety you could find in a Kalos Route after the first gym.
MaximumSpider
Banned
NormalFish
Banned
Sure, but that cliff route, for example, has like 20 pokemon shoved in to a single route and feels really overcrowded. It's great to have a diversity, but I'd rather see pokemon be more spread out than have it play like one of those "EVERY POKEMON IN ONE GAME" romhacks where every route has a million pokemon because there's no space.
Plus this is how big the island is compared to a complete Region like Hoenn at about the same scale:Anyone who thought this
was the entire region was deluding themselves. Hawaii is much more than just O'ahu.
This isn't EA.
As if I had money for all games coming later this year