Support NeoGAF

[Garuda1One]

This is crap. I'd hate Microsoft forever if this happened to me. I don't understand how this could be legal, people have work computers in factories and even military fascillities running Windows 7, an os upgrade needs to be carefully scheduled to not cause severe problems.

Is there a way to safely stay on Win 7?

if you use an Active Directory services ad your domain controller -- another microsoft environment, you can (somehow) do that. A lot of people on technet have disabled automatic updates from group policy.

its more of a "workaround" rather than implementing a straightforward policy to disabled that updates.

 

[Gren]

Oh so if you have Windows 7 Professional edition you're not affected as long as you uncheck the auto-update box?
My Home edition has been spammed with Get Windows 10 messages like some kind of malware. I checked guide and made a registry edit and don't have the Get Windows 10 icon now at least. And I unchecked the auto install recommended updates checkbox. Still worried that it'll be installed somehow. This is beyond stupidity imo. Worse PR than the Xbox always online drm imo. It may work if you only play new games though but I suspect that few of us older core gamers only play those type of games.

No, if your Pro install isn't on a domain, I believe you still need to edit the registry to make sure it won't attempt an auto-upgrade.

 

[Phoenix Fang]

And now the driver for my graphic card keeps failing, forcing me to restart every time it fails because no video will play. Guess I'm going to have to go through the pain of reinstall Window 7 again.

 

[thebigmachine]

And now the driver for my graphic card keeps failing, forcing me to restart every time it fails because no video will play. Guess I'm going to have to go through the pain of reinstall Window 7 again.

Windows 10 likes to supply video drivers now. Make sure you're up to date on the vendor supplied drivers.

 

[LostDonkey]

Welcome to the family.

 

[akashhhhh]

I use Windows 10 but resent the hell out it because of forced updates and telemetry (that likes to turn itself back on after certain updates).

Question: Once you've "upgraded" your Windows 7 or 8 key, do Microsoft's activation servers still let you activate those versions? I often wonder if Windows 10 was free to rid the world of 7/8 installation keys.

 

[petran79]

My older rig, a 6 year old i3 dual core and 4 GB RAM, run fine on Windows 7.
Decided to upgrade to Windows 10, since I had also installed Ubuntu as an alternative and had also Windows XP. Ubuntu plays older games fine too and I use the PC mostly for emulators.

Some negatives:

-After the upgrade HDD partition became fragmented. Had to spend few hours to defrag it with a third party commercial defragmenter. I avoid SSD since they are riskier and more sensitive.

-Whereas before I could chose Windows XP OS straight in the boot loader, after the upgrade I have to boot twice to do it. First I choose the Earlier OS option, instead of logging straight to XP, then system boots again to log me to XP.

-W10 is more resource hungry than 7. Do not know about users with newer CPUs and instruction sets, but 4 GB was slightly below the limit. Constant HDD and swap access, memory usage mostly above 50%. With redundant services disabled. I'd say 6-8 GB is the appropriate amount of RAM you need.

-Windows Store refuses to update any installed app or game. Probably because I upgraded from 7 which did not feature any Store. Have tried every possible solution. Was not going to use it anyway. I am against further Xbox-ization of PC games.

-Constant messing with default apps, thumbnail and icon generation

-On laptops it can drain your battery faster if you do not disable some OS services that use CPU and HDD

-Software and game incompatibility. But games that would struggle on 7, would struggle on 10 too. Even Windows XP had issues with some older games. People who own commercial software (some even running on DOS) are rightfully so twice as hesitant to upgrade.

Positives:

-I use Stardock's cosmetic software, so I made WIn10 look like 7 and even better
-Nvidia added DX12 and Vulkan support to GTX6xxx GPUs, so my Nvidia GTX660 is still decent
-Updated emulators run even better on Windows 10 than 7
-Windows 10 made me appreciate Linux even more
-If you dont have Classicshell and just browse the web, you will not notice any difference, except when it is time to shut down

 

[Makikou]

if you use an Active Directory services ad your domain controller -- another microsoft environment, you can (somehow) do that. A lot of people on technet have disabled automatic updates from group policy.

its more of a "workaround" rather than implementing a straightforward policy to disabled that updates.

Don't need AD though? Unless you need AD for Home but for W10 Pro+ you can just Win+R gpedit.msc

 

[Mung]

Feel your pain OP. I did it by choice and regret it massively. So so unstable for me.

 

[Tizoc]

Slighty off topic but how exactly is dx12 better than its predecessors? Any game i could play to test it out?

Edit: on topic tho these frced upgrades shouldnt occur if a consumer doesnt want to upgrade that's their choice. This whole unonown upgrade feels rather shady.

 

[Caio]

The same happened to me; I went for a shower, 10 min, and once I went back to my Laptop, Window 10 was self installing; I didn't stop it, 'cause I was afraid to do so;
now I have this Windows 10; is this normal ?

 

[Cute Dragon Here]

-After the upgrade HDD partition became fragmented. Had to spend few hours to defrag it with a third party commercial defragmenter. I avoid SSD since they are riskier and more sensitive.

This almost always happens with HDDs and any intensive write/modify activity on the HDD. You can't avoid it - best to just defrag and move on.

-Whereas before I could chose Windows XP OS straight in the boot loader, after the upgrade I have to boot twice to do it. First I choose the Earlier OS option, instead of logging straight to XP, then system boots again to log me to XP.

This has something to do with the new version of the boot loader that's been used since Windows 8. It's a lot more feature-ful and looks prettier than the boot loader in Vista/7, but it does have a quirk - if it needs to boot a different OS, it needs to reload everything, since the OS is indeed partially loaded a that point.

-W10 is more resource hungry than 7. Do not know about users with newer CPUs and instruction sets, but 4 GB was slightly below the limit. Constant HDD and swap access, memory usage mostly above 50%. With redundant services disabled. I'd say 6-8 GB is the appropriate amount of RAM you need.

Is the system freshly installed? Leave it running for a while for the services to sort itself out.

-Windows Store refuses to update any installed app or game. Probably because I upgraded from 7 which did not feature any Store. Have tried every possible solution. Was not going to use it anyway. I am against further Xbox-ization of PC games.

See above. Also, restart the computer, and make sure that you're using a Microsoft account or have logged into it in the Store app. Doesn't hurt to do all Windows updates first before doing anything with the store.

-Constant messing with default apps, thumbnail and icon generation

This should happen only once. (You can force things your way in the Control Panel/Settings app.)

-On laptops it can drain your battery faster if you do not disable some OS services that use CPU and HDD

See the "busy services" part. Once it's done (should only happen once), Windows 10 idles just as well as any other Windows.

The same happened to me; I went for a shower, 10 min, and once I went back to my Laptop, Window 10 was self installing; I didn't stop it, 'cause I was afraid to do so;
now I have this Windows 10; is this normal ?

The update now auto-schedules itself and using the Close button only closes the dialog box about it - it needs to be explicitly denied via the small hyperlink in the same window. Either way, if you don't want Windows 10, go to Settings > Update & security > Recovery, assuming your system drive had enough space to start with for Windows.old to show up, there should be an option there to revert.

 

[petran79]

Slighty off topic but how exactly is dx12 better than its predecessors? Any game i could play to test it out?

You could use Dolphin emulator. It runs Wii and Gamecube games

Also PS3 and Wii U emulation became possible thanks to DX12


I'd also add DirectX 11.2
Windows 7/8 use Directx 11.1

DirectX11.2 enables native hardware support for virtual texturing through tiled resources. This allows developers to generate sparse texture arrays by only allocating memory as required. One application for tiled resources is sparse shadow maps, a technique for improving on shadow maps.

https://developer.nvidia.com/content/taking-advantage-directx112-tiled-resources

 

[michaelius]

You could use Dolphin emulator. It runs Wii and Gamecube games

Also PS3 and Wii U emulation became possible thanks to DX12


I'd also add DirectX 11.2
Windows 7/8 use Directx 11.1

DirectX11.2 enables native hardware support for virtual texturing through tiled resources. This allows developers to generate sparse texture arrays by only allocating memory as required. One application for tiled resources is sparse shadow maps, a technique for improving on shadow maps.

https://developer.nvidia.com/content/taking-advantage-directx112-tiled-resources

Windows 8.1 also has DX 11.2
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn312084(v=vs.85).aspx

Win 10 has DX11.3 which offers feature parity with DX12 but uses higher level access to them

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn914596(v=vs.85).aspx

 

[MooMilk2929]

While Windows 7 is great and all, Windows 10 is also great. If the new taskbar and start menu bother you try classic shell. If you set Start Menu to 7 style, and set the skin to windows aero you get a menu that looks like this:

If you want a windows 7 start button let me know and I can upload the button image you need.

 

[Crv756]

FYI: Pressing X on the update prompt means that you agree. see /r/Windows10

What a scam !

 

[petran79]

Windows 8.1 also has DX 11.2
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn312084(v=vs.85).aspx

Win 10 has DX11.3 which offers feature parity with DX12 but uses higher level access to them

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn914596(v=vs.85).aspx

yeah, I was confused there

Is the system freshly installed? Leave it running for a while for the services to sort itself out.

No, it is an upgrade from Windows 7. I'd hate to reinstall every programm and game of the last 6 years. Recently I upgraded the PC (CPU, Motherboard and more RAM) but it is not compatible with XP, which I used extensively prior to 7. Most games run on 10, either through patches or remasters-reboots, so no big deal.

See above. Also, restart the computer, and make sure that you're using a Microsoft account or have logged into it in the Store app. Doesn't hurt to do all Windows updates first before doing anything with the store.

The problem is very persistent. Even with Microsoft account it makes no difference. I tried renaming the Windows Store folder to .old and restart some services, reset the store cache, reinstall the Store. It seems to make a pseudo-update the first time I launch it, without downloading anything. But when it detects apps updates, downloads and installs them, I get an update error. Possibly some credentials issue.
Even if I create a new user account, Windows Store is not present and refuses to install. Some XML file not found error. A fresh install is the only solution

This should happen only once. (You can force things your way in the Control Panel/Settings app.)

It happens every time I update the music or video player and choose file associations through it. Perhaps I need to switch to the portable versions.

See the "busy services" part. Once it's done (should only happen once), Windows 10 idles just as well as any other Windows.

probably, but unless you have a CPU graph you never know when the next update or installshield service will drain the battery. A single Windows Update of a few megabytes can take up to 40 minutes, draining battery through HDD and CPU activity. Windows 7 was a little better

 

[Koutsoubas]

So Wireless Controller works perfect for everyone with Windows 10?

 

[Garuda1One]

Don't need AD though? Unless you need AD for Home but for W10 Pro+ you can just Win+R gpedit.msc

yea i figured, but he was talking about office environment.

 

[Kayant]

Ha of course there are tons of people defending this shit with "OH it's a better OS, It's great". No newer /=/ better for everyone.

What's with people and defending shady practices from companies sometimes...

This seriously can't be true?
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...final-aggressive-windows-10-upgrade-push.html

 

[RealityCheque]

Somehow I think if google did this, ie forced an android upgrade onto people's phones, there would be far fewer people apologizing for them and saying "just relax and stop complaining, it's a good OS". But for some reason which completely escapes me, MS can have a pass for it.

And yes its a good OS, but it's not so completely superior to Win 7 that it justifies checking your ethics at the door. If I want a product, I'll ask for it.

 

[2+2=5]

Win 10 is really good but this is incredibly shitty, install linux with dual boot for protest! XD

 

[MrCunningham]

Ha of course there are tons of people defending this shit with "OH it's a better OS, It's great". No newer /=/ better for everyone.

What's with people and defending shady practices from companies sometimes...

Yup it's true. I just logged into my Windows partition, and this is the message that it gave me:

Looks like I can still cancel the scheduled upgrade. But this is still complete bullshit from MS.

 

[Cute Dragon Here]

No, it is an upgrade from Windows 7. I'd hate to reinstall every programm and game of the last 6 years. Recently I upgraded the PC (CPU, Motherboard and more RAM) but it is not compatible with XP, which I used extensively prior to 7. Most games run on 10, either through patches or remasters-reboots, so no big deal.

he problem is very persistent. Even with Microsoft account it makes no difference. I tried renaming the Windows Store folder to .old and restart some services, reset the store cache, reinstall the Store. It seems to make a pseudo-update the first time I launch it, without downloading anything. But when it detects apps updates, downloads and installs them, I get an update error. Possibly some credentials issue.
Even if I create a new user account, Windows Store is not present and refuses to install. Some XML file not found error. A fresh install is the only solution

This experience is actually pretty out there from the Windows 10 upgrades I've seen late in the cycle.
Sounds like something got corrupted - at this point you're much better off clean installing, 7 or 10.

It happens every time I update the music or video player and choose file associations through it. Perhaps I need to switch to the portable versions.

Out of curiosity, what media player do you use? I think you only need to send it packing once per file extension.

probably, but unless you have a CPU graph you never know when the next update or installshield service will drain the battery. A single Windows Update of a few megabytes can take up to 40 minutes, draining battery through HDD and CPU activity. Windows 7 was a little better

Turning on Battery Saver (and set the automatic activation level to 100%) might help... stops most background stuff, I think including Windows' own stuff (but not any desktop background apps).

 

[Kayant]

Yup it's true. I just logged into my Windows partition, and this is the message that it gave me:

Looks like I can still cancel the scheduled upgrade. But this is still complete bullshit from MS.

You escaped the bullet! 👍

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Ha of course there are tons of people defending this shit with "OH it's a better OS, It's great". No newer /=/ better for everyone.

What's with people and defending shady practices from companies sometimes...

How is it shady, if you read the window closing it doesn't mean agreeing to it as the upgrade has already been scheduled, all you are closing is the notification window.

 

[RealityCheque]

How is it shady, if you read the window closing it doesn't mean agreeing to it as the upgrade has already been scheduled, all you are closing is the notification window.

It schedules an install of a new OS without asking you if you want it and does it's best to let you know as late as possible. The notification window is just the last step along the way. The shadyness began much earlier.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

quick question: if i upgrade to win10 do i lose everything if i don't make a backup? videos, pictures etc.?

 

[Kayant]

It schedules an install of a new OS without asking you if you want it and does it's best to let you know as late as possible. The notification window is just the last step along the way. The shadyness began much earlier.

.

I mean look at this BS -

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/04/windows-10-updates-ruining-pro-gaming-streams

 

[Madchad]

I also turned off the auto update checked everything was going to stay as is on the computer at work.

Come Friday morning i was mid way through doing a load of accounting work on the computer and it decided to just shut down out of the blue and start the windows 10 upgrade.....

I was not amused.

 

[c0de]

Is there a way to safely stay on Win 7?

Yes. I can currently not upgrade on one of my computers because I used Samsung's migration tool for hdd->ssd. The effect was that the first small partition was reduced in size from this tool but Windows 10 needs it at the size it was before so it won't install now.
Perhaps if you resize that partition intentionally, it will turn out the same.

 

[peakish]

I'm a happy Windows 10 user, but this prompt is definitely not "crystal clear" if you want to disable the update:

The option to reschedule is there, but in very small text under a large, bold font which pulls all the attention of that area. The only text that is less emphasized in the window is the very fine text on the very bottom. A user that gets the prompt and does not want to upgrade will read the header and see the date, then immediately look for the option to opt-out. Since the only button on the bottom-right is OK (which sounds affirmative, as in that they accept) they close the window since that's the only obvious not-OK option that is available at a glance.

Catching people who doesn't like the upgrade on an "oh but did you read the fine text" technicality is pretty stupid. You know what a real option to opt out should look like? A reschedule/cancel button right next to the OK button.

 

[chromatic9]

quick question: if i upgrade to win10 do i lose everything if i don't make a backup? videos, pictures etc.?

I recently upgraded from Windows 7 and everything was intact on a 1tb drive.

Still would recommend a backup of important files or create an image of your drive. There's many threads about people losing data, which is why I find MS auto updating people pretty scary.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

I recently upgraded from Windows 7 and everything was intact on a 1tb drive.

Still would recommend a backup of important files or create an image of your drive. There's many threads about people losing data, which is why I find MS auto updating people pretty scary.

Gotcha, thank you.

 

[petran79]

Out of curiosity, what media player do you use? I think you only need to send it packing once per file extension.

I set MPC BE as default and during setup installations it asks me to choose default extensions. There was an issue with mkv files. In the registry there were two extensions:

.mkv and .MKV
It was impossible to play that file with anything else than the default Windows Movie Player. Deleted the second extensions and problem solved. But video thumbnails keep getting generated occasionaly. Hence why I prefer Ubuntu for media playback now.

MadVR is far too glitchy and demanding if you push the GPU to its limits for upscaled videos

 

[EdwardTeach]

My older rig, a 6 year old i3 dual core and 4 GB RAM, run fine on Windows 7.
Decided to upgrade to Windows 10, since I had also installed Ubuntu as an alternative and had also Windows XP. Ubuntu plays older games fine too and I use the PC mostly for emulators.

Some negatives:

-After the upgrade HDD partition became fragmented. Had to spend few hours to defrag it with a third party commercial defragmenter. I avoid SSD since they are riskier and more sensitive.

-Whereas before I could chose Windows XP OS straight in the boot loader, after the upgrade I have to boot twice to do it. First I choose the Earlier OS option, instead of logging straight to XP, then system boots again to log me to XP.

-W10 is more resource hungry than 7. Do not know about users with newer CPUs and instruction sets, but 4 GB was slightly below the limit. Constant HDD and swap access, memory usage mostly above 50%. With redundant services disabled. I'd say 6-8 GB is the appropriate amount of RAM you need.

-Windows Store refuses to update any installed app or game. Probably because I upgraded from 7 which did not feature any Store. Have tried every possible solution. Was not going to use it anyway. I am against further Xbox-ization of PC games.

-Constant messing with default apps, thumbnail and icon generation

-On laptops it can drain your battery faster if you do not disable some OS services that use CPU and HDD

-Software and game incompatibility. But games that would struggle on 7, would struggle on 10 too. Even Windows XP had issues with some older games. People who own commercial software (some even running on DOS) are rightfully so twice as hesitant to upgrade.

Positives:

-I use Stardock's cosmetic software, so I made WIn10 look like 7 and even better
-Nvidia added DX12 and Vulkan support to GTX6xxx GPUs, so my Nvidia GTX660 is still decent
-Updated emulators run even better on Windows 10 than 7
-Windows 10 made me appreciate Linux even more
-If you dont have Classicshell and just browse the web, you will not notice any difference, except when it is time to shut down

Sounds like you should do a clean install, I had some similar issues to you after upgrading. After doing a clean install everything is fine.

 

[pixelpatch]

And this is despite me turning off auto update and hiding the Windows 10 prompt that keeps coming up. I'm not happy about this at all. And I don't have the patience to reinstall Windows 7 again because I have too many programs to reinstall and I can't be bothered to go through all that.

And I tried to see if I can roll it back but I don't have the option to which pisses me off even more.

It's better then some of the previous versions Windows have given us...

 

[Teletraan1]

Yeah it sucks how they went about this whole thing. I personally like W10 as I don't use any apps that are broken with the OS and the OS itself is faster on my PC and Laptop than 7 or 8.1. It is very easy to disable the telemetry shit. Outside of that I don't really see any advantage to sticking with 7 or 8.x. Some people just have these stances that can't be broken no matter how logical or reasonable the alternative is. Here is a better product that will actually be properly updated for security vulnerabilities but the method that they went about the upgrades created such disdain. That is just how MS operates, yet people almost seem to take it personally. They are a bully in the market and they always will be until people actually nut up and use alternatives which aren't actually that bad or hard to use. Just different. Sticking with their old product that had some the same kind of compatibility issues and tracking bullshit you are avoiding in W10 shows them nothing.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

The window presented here does not ask if you want to upgrade, it informs you that the upgrade is scheduled. So obviously just clicking on the x will only close the window. If you want to cancel the upgrade, you simply have to read the text and click on the highlighted word. How is this confusing?

 

[gamz]

quick question: if i upgrade to win10 do i lose everything if i don't make a backup? videos, pictures etc.?

No, you don't lose anything, but I'd still run a backup just in case with any upgrade.

 

[PodcastFips]

The window presented here does not ask if you want to upgrade, it informs you that the upgrade is scheduled. So obviously just clicking on the x will only close the window. If you want to cancel the upgrade, you simply have to read the text and click on the highlighted word. How is this confusing?

I have no clue as well. If this is confusing, I wonder how many adware toolbars and other stuff people have installed on their PCs without even knowing.

 

[R_thanatos]

Yup it's true. I just logged into my Windows partition, and this is the message that it gave me:

Looks like I can still cancel the scheduled upgrade. But this is still complete bullshit from MS.

People defending , this ... still can't believe it.

The most disturbing is that i'm reading people saying that the update fucked something and their answer is " well you should do a clean reinstall !"
People had a working PC ,with their software , the update installs against their will and fucks something up and somehow , you have to do a clean install in order to not be annoyed every time?
I feel like i'm living in the twilight zone.
At first it was an optionnal upgrade , now it's recommanded upgrade, imagine what will happen when they'll make the upgrade a obligatory upgrade ?

Yeah it sucks how they went about this whole thing. I personally like W10 as I don't use any apps that are broken with the OS and the OS itself is faster on my PC and Laptop than 7 or 8.1. It is very easy to disable the telemetry shit. Outside of that I don't really see any advantage to sticking with 7 or 8.x. Some people just have these stances that can't be broken no matter how logical or reasonable the alternative is. Here is a better product that will actually be properly updated for security vulnerabilities but the method that they went about the upgrades created such disdain. That is just how MS operates, yet people almost seem to take it personally. They are a bully in the market and they always will be until people actually nut up and use alternatives which aren't actually that bad or hard to use. Just different. Sticking with their old product that had some the same kind of compatibility issues and tracking bullshit you are avoiding in W10 shows them nothing.

First , it's not a "stance" , there are plenty of scenarios where going for win10 is problematic.
In this perfect world where everyone is using microsoft products + steam , Win 10 is harmless , but the PC world is much more than that.
The current shape of pc software has changed and financial and logictical reason for not upgrading are valid.

Second , Win 10 is not a better product. It can be argued that is a good product , but it's not "better". many have several situations with working products that they want to keep and they would NEVER be forced to upgrade. If we choose to stay on win 7 and get it by a security problem , it's our choice. Heck the OS will still get security support untill 2020, there is NO reason to force us to upgrade

Third , this is how microsoft operates and that's why people are annoyed by the thing. Microsoft , or any company should NOT dictate how i use my Computer. if they change their product drasticly , i should have the option if the new prodcut suit my needs or not. the practise of forced upgrades should be condemned , NO exceptions.

 

[BitterSidekick]

If you want to upgrade, you will, if not, dont force it, no matter what.

Looks like that is hard to comprehend.

No matter what, forcing the users to update, is not the answer. Defending the upgrade, and telling the only argument "oh, its great, just do it" is not a valid one.

Even though i like Windows 10, i dont like this "forcing thing" aka it updated even though i dont want it, thats fiiine.

 

[Valkyria]

What's with the influx of juniors not reading OPs?

Implying is that time of the year when a new batch of shills get ready for E3?


Any way I love this thread, you can spot who are real PC user and who is a newly proclaimed "Pc Master race" that actually finds a toy-like, tablet-like OS to be " the best OS ever111!!!".

I have a special place in my hearts for those that doesn't stop comparing the situation with phones and tablets proclaiming that we should leave the poor Microsoft alone, is not fair the way we treat one of the biggest and richest mega corps of the world.

Let me get this straight, the expectation regarding PC are not in anyway the same applying to a phone or a tablet. The former are tools to do mostly important and complex task. I don't have the same expectation when going out to dinner at a 50$ per person restaurant than when I go to McDonald's.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Welcome to the family.

 

[Vex_]

Give it a go. Its good. There's loads of tools around to turn off telemetry bullshit, and you get cool stuff like built-in recording for games. Its win-win, really.

I saw that as I recently upgraded but havent heard anything about it so I thought it was ass.

How is it in comparison to NVIDIA's Shadowplay. For me, SP cuts like 5-10 frames off of my fps.

 

[Maebe]

This seriously can't be true?
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...final-aggressive-windows-10-upgrade-push.html

How do you reject it then? There are programs I use that get fucked up with w10.

 

[R_thanatos]

How do you reject it then? There are programs I use that get fucked up with w10.

at that point , you can't you have to either install a third party software to prevent the update or prevent your computer from connecting to windows update servers.

You have to actively go out of your way to prevent your pc from reaching this stage.

 

[VitalVertigo]

Why do you think the quality of the operating system and the admittedly shitty way they are forcefully deploying it to people have any correlation?

Becuase nobody should be forced or strong armed into upgrading. Even if 10 was perfect, which it is not, there is no reason to force it on to people. Its shitty, and they should stop.
If a person wanted to use IE they should be allowed, even if crome is better. Its the individuals decision. Fuck M$.

 

[Erasus]

.

I mean look at this BS -

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/04/windows-10-updates-ruining-pro-gaming-streams

Yea, that was annoying but is fixable. Settings-Updates & security - Windows update - Advanced Options - "Choose how updates are installed" - set to "Notify to schedule restart" instead of Automatic.