PdotMichael
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Forza's Nürburgring isn't even close to the version in GT.
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GT Sport E3 2016 Trailer
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Forza's Nürburgring isn't even close to the version in GT.
Unknown?
Member
The foliage looks so much better than past GTs, I'm so glad trees look good now as the rest of the tracks always have. The air balloons at willow springs are a nice touch.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Me too. Guess I'll skip this one too. I hope GT7 brings damage, dynamic weather and decent sounds, otherwise I'll give up on GT.
TheAdmiester
Member
The decorations and outer areas might not be great but the track itself is accurate, that's what actually matters.
Unknown?
Member
Ummm he was responding to a comment about graphics. Of course being accurate matters but GTs version is accurate to a T while looking better.
Shooting for an iRacing style crowd on console? I'm not really sure what the demographic is really, like you say it's pretty much got nothing your common or garden GT fan wants.
On the subject of wreckers, the fact that PD has said both parties in a collision will get penalised regardless of fault could prove a bit of an issue with public games.
I think the game could have legs with the organised league crowd, but just not sure how much mass appeal that will give it.
TheAdmiester
Member
I'm aware of that, hence what I started my post with.
The Baron Count
Member
I'm actually pretty surprised how many posters I am seeing in here that ostensibly seem to feel that this game lives and dies for them by the visual fidelity.
For me the fact that GT was pretty consistently the prettiest racer around was a huge perk but certainly never the point. And I'm only talking about those specific kinds of posts. I see plenty of posts expressing very legitimate issues with other things certainly.
I mean, the game most definitely isn't ugly and if they can actually maintain 60FPS this time around then that will be a first for the series. As far as I am aware, none of the others came anywhere near consistently hitting that frame rate.
If it comes out and doesn't look a whole lot better than it does currently and still can't maintain that frame rate then yeah, that's a little weird considering what Turn 10 have done on the less powerful system, but I think it's a little early to be judging some of this stuff. Though if you were expecting this game to come anywhere near DC at this frame rate, you simply had impossible expectations.
Honestly my only big issue with the game visually is the shadow quality. It's really friggin bad.
For me the fact that GT was pretty consistently the prettiest racer around was a huge perk but certainly never the point. And I'm only talking about those specific kinds of posts. I see plenty of posts expressing very legitimate issues with other things certainly.
I mean, the game most definitely isn't ugly and if they can actually maintain 60FPS this time around then that will be a first for the series. As far as I am aware, none of the others came anywhere near consistently hitting that frame rate.
If it comes out and doesn't look a whole lot better than it does currently and still can't maintain that frame rate then yeah, that's a little weird considering what Turn 10 have done on the less powerful system, but I think it's a little early to be judging some of this stuff. Though if you were expecting this game to come anywhere near DC at this frame rate, you simply had impossible expectations.
Honestly my only big issue with the game visually is the shadow quality. It's really friggin bad.
TheAdmiester
Member
^ "living or dying by graphics" is what I feel like PD themselves are doing. It's worrying seeing so much of a focus on the graphics and "scapes" features when the racing itself is still heavily flawed and we don't have a locked 60. Ever since it hit the PS3 it feels like GT has just suffered a ton of missteps, to the point where I still play GT2 and 4 more than 5 or 6.
The only GT games that failed to hit stable 60fps were the two on PS3.
The Baron Count
Member
I agree with this. The HD generation was a hard thing for developers to deal with and it does seem like GT was one of the biggest casualties of that. Things like the standard cars were a direct result of the cost and time required to create high quality models to the standard that PD were known for.
It definitely seems like authentic visuals become a bit more prominent of a focus for them on GT5, and we have had the same weaknesses in this franchise for several entries now.
Haven't played those ones in a loooong time. I'll take your word for it.
TheAdmiester
Member
Pretty much.
Plenty of people even in this thread have tried to say the game is better than Forza or worse than Driveclub just from graphics alone, when most haven't even played it. Racing games should be those where the graphics matter the least. I'd play a modern game that looks like GT4 if it handled well and runs at a solid 60 (and that's precisely what I DO do with GT4 lol)
It's crazy to see a game touted as an "X-killer" when nobody seems to care about the actual gameplay.
TylerDurden4321
Member
I used to think that until Raceroom's version. With the trees in the right places, right FOV and their complex motion blur, the track seems faster and more thrilling, without being prone to misjudging speed and braking distance from tunnel-vision FOV.
It's whining on a high level. The only Nordschleife version from a recent game that I'd qualify as not-good is the one from Project CARS, with almost every car bottoming out in the Fuchsröhre and some invisible walls on some edges of the track.
It will be super interesting to track online participation numbers. If they get this wrong and people will feel like they are getting screwed either way and it therefore doesn't matter if they get better or not, online play could die short after release with only the hardcore guys and "I love driving in the wrong direction" guys left, killing any fun newcomers might have.
PD have to find the right way to encourage people to drive by the rules have fun fighting for 18th position and rather drive slow behind someone waiting for chance than risking throwing away their own race and the race of 2-3 other guys in a crash. Just penalizing people for not having done anything wrong and then maybe double penalizing them for rage-quitting will not cut it.
The Baron Count
Member
To be fair, all we can really judge from a trailer is visuals. We can't exactly know how the game plays until we play it with the exception of looking at what the collisions are like and such.
But yeah, I'm not seeing a whole lot of comments expressing interest in the actual handling and overall playability.
Do you mind providing us with your personal side by side of the entire track layout. I see good looking trees in GT.
However, the grass, roads, and surrounding outside of the trees (granted there are a lot of trees on the track) from what I've seen doesn't tell me anything.
Have you played Forza 6?
The replays and spectator stuff looks really rough in a lot of areas.
TheAdmiester
Member
Oh I'm aware of the first point, it's totally fair. But like you said tons of people are like (paraphrasing) "this looks great, it's going to be much better than X" based on graphics alone. Saying it looks better is fine because it does, but saying it's a better game on one of the least important factors alone is dumb.
Bringing RaceRoom into a console racing game thread is almost unfair lol. But yeah, the motion blur and sound make RaceRoom feel so much more intense than anything else. I don't think I've seen a greater sense of speed in any game except maybe DiRT Rally, which also nails the sound and motion blur.
Thinking back on it now, motion blur is pretty much the only graphical effect that can actually affect the gameplay (sense of speed), and it's the one effect GT still doesn't have outside of replay mode.
PackAPunchedMick
Member
To think there will be weekly tournaments that can be streamed via the game with full FIA rules is blowing my mind.
Truly a game changer.
Truly a game changer.
Apex
Member
All this talk about the graphics and always the critics ignore this part:
The damage was disabled in the demos, many basic effects were not implemented (skidmarks, sparks, backfires, good smoke and dirt, track shadows over the cars were missing, no wind effect in the grass, etc), they have not showcased yet anything about weather effects/tracks, nothing about the night tracks, etc.
The physics are fine confirmed by the people who played the demos and the differences are clearly seen in the one car replays, is just the multiplayer netcode like happened in GT5/6 that does not update the online cars at the same rate as the player own car physics or with the same variables, so the rest of online cars often jump postitions and appear to run with basic physics. In spectator mode that happens with all the cars but is not representative of the real inputs or the car behaviour experienced by the players. I hope it improves in the final game.
All this is basic stuff to anyone who played previous GTs.
The damage was disabled in the demos, many basic effects were not implemented (skidmarks, sparks, backfires, good smoke and dirt, track shadows over the cars were missing, no wind effect in the grass, etc), they have not showcased yet anything about weather effects/tracks, nothing about the night tracks, etc.
The physics are fine confirmed by the people who played the demos and the differences are clearly seen in the one car replays, is just the multiplayer netcode like happened in GT5/6 that does not update the online cars at the same rate as the player own car physics or with the same variables, so the rest of online cars often jump postitions and appear to run with basic physics. In spectator mode that happens with all the cars but is not representative of the real inputs or the car behaviour experienced by the players. I hope it improves in the final game.
All this is basic stuff to anyone who played previous GTs.
Maybe they can implement an slider with a precise time selection, like in previous GTs but this time with no dynamic changes.
And do the same thing with GT5 and 6. They are not 60 fps rocksolid .
TylerDurden4321
Member
pretty sure we will see graphical downgrades over a hitchy frame rate, if they can't get the game to keep a solid 60fps. Sony seems to be really aggressive with the VR comfort levels they are aiming for. The reprojection tech Sony uses for PSVR needs a stable framerate; the impact of lost frames would be doubled, if I'm not mistaken.
Apex
Member
But the gameplay reports are being good in that regards.
Prophane33
Member
Has it been 100% confirmed that there is no single player content? I see a lot of people posting about that, but I don't recall anyone ever officially saying anything. If that's the case I might be a bit more on-the-fence about my pre-order.
There are two single player mode : arcade and campaign. The latter seems to be different from a standard career mode. It's more like a "huge tutorial" with challenges, races to prepare yourself for online competition.
ethomaz
Banned
I'm not so sure about that... it looks off 5 (elevations I guess).
paperspace
Member
There's no "regular" career mode, only tutorials/preparations for online.
Prophane33
Member
Thanks for the replies. Gonna keep my pre-order, for now, maybe I'll actually end up enjoying online racing.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
The focus on the online is what made me buy my first racer(driveclub). So im game!
No tuning? So this game seems to be a competition designed one off then, and I hope GT7 is announced for the rest of us. I want to buy this game so bad too
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
And for millions of others worldwide.
What's GT6's weekly online user base? This sporting experiment won't end well at all, I can't wait for the massacre and record low sales.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Everytime a game takes an online focus a large amount of posters think "It wont end well" only time it actually happened was with sfv
ethomaz
Banned
Last time I saw (a month ago) there are over 250k registered times in the last Seasonal Weekly Event.
I can check again but there are a big active user base in GT6 yet.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Why couldn't GT Sport just have been included in GT7 as a game mode or expansion?
GT7 would take 7 years
ethomaz
Banned
There is no content of features ready for a full GT.
Think like GTS is the GT5
of this generation.PeterLegend
Member
I'm guessing I'm getting the Neo version lol, 1080p, 60fps, dynamic weather and upgraded graphics.
lad.
you're not getting dynamic weather in any version unless they decide to patch it in post-launch.
Really? There are reports of frame drops and screen tearing.
TheAdmiester
Member
And in the replay/stream footage you can see it drop *below* 30 despite it only adding motion blur and DOF. It's strange enough that it drops to 30 for replays but struggling even with that isn't a good sign.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
There must be a ton of optimisation left to do, any idea if they're using a traditional LOD system on these early builds? Something must be eating into the performance.
KinofChaos
Banned
The game is 6 months out.
TheAdmiester
Member
Are GT5 and GT6 6 months out too?
ethomaz
Banned
Wut?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I believe he's implying those never hit 60fps stable either so neither will gt sport it's a far reach but whatever
KinofChaos
Banned
WTF? What are you even talking about? Gt sport is not being made on PS3. Sounds like you just want to shit post on GT.
ethomaz
Banned
Nonsense comment at all.
GTS is really 6 months from launch... GT5/GT6 were launched years ago.
Only one from these can change until release lol