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[Lamel]

What could be the reason?massive recent migration by population that see women as disposable or property?

Yeah dude you totally nailed it, all muslims are scumbags and have no respect for their mothers, sisters, daughters. That's the first option you should jump to.


Yes the middle-east still has problems with gender equality, but some of you guys treat people from there as if they are ruthless thugs and that's it. Broaden your perspective a little bit and maybe think of other reasons why young males might be the ones more likely to make the trek from the ME to Europe.

 

[Shiggy]

what international law was broken? She said they'd accept refugees that get there, that conforms to all agreements. Whether immigration is justified or not is determined by seeking asylum and it being granted or rejected.
An AfD politician also said they should shoot women and kids to protect their borders.

The Dublin regulation? That's pretty much entirely suspended.


And she didn't mean that, she just accidently slipped off her mouse /s

 

[justjohn]

Yea there are laws and rules and borders. That's why 90% of the world isn't moving to Germany. They have accepted 800,000 Syrians and currently have 360,000. They aren't taking in the entire world. So where is the madness?

But they're not moving to Germany because they can't. They would love to but they can't. If Germany suddenly opened its borders and invited everyone in the world to come and live there permanently you'd see millions of people accepting the invitation. Just as you saw millions of refugees coming in when the border was opened to them.

Let's not even get to issue where a lot of these "refugees" were not from Syria but surrounding countries pretending to be from Syria who exploited the invitation to get it.

 

[Madness]

Where does it say she allowed 2 million people into Germany? She also did not make that decision alone. Germany is a democratic country and without other parties, human right groups etc all being in agreement. She would have not made that decision. Quit blaming everything on her.

Where in my entire post did I state Merkel's name or say she was to blame.

 

[Social]

let me guess, they are probably going to say that this guy had "psychological" problems to make it seem like less of a big deal.

Can't believe there is still a defense force for this and people are not understanding that this is a war.

 

[Lamel]

let me guess, they are probably going to say that this guy had "psychological" problems to make it seem like less of a big deal.

Can't believe there is still a defense force for this and people are not understanding that this is a war.

No one in this thread defended this criminal act. Try to read a bit more carefully.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

The Dublin regulation? That's pretty much entirely suspended.
And she didn't mean that, she just accidently slipped off her mouse /s

how did she break a law in it? An in the agreement existing clause was invoked.

 

[Salty Rice]

No. Your posts are making you look like that:

Well i guess saying that the Race refugee comes with a lot of crime makes me a racist.

They all should go back to Refugeeland!

Spoiler

sarcasm of course

 

[Chairmanchuck]

But they're not moving to Germany because they can't. They would love to but they can't. If Germany suddenly opened its borders and invited everyone in the world to come and live there permanently you'd see millions of people accepting the invitation. Just as you saw millions of refugees coming in when the border was opened to them.

Let's not even get to issue where a lot of these "refugees" were not from Syria but surrounding countries pretending to be from Syria who exploited the invitation to get it.

The whole thing wasnt entirely Merkels fault and most people know that. And besides. The borders were always open for refugees...
Merkels "invitation" wasnt an invitation. It was Germanys stance on refugees since years.

What happened was that media in those countries lied to the citizens, human traffickers lied to the citizens or made the stance look like an "invitation" etc.

Like I said. I hate how Germany handled the whole situation, I am for strict border controls, but the whole "Merkel invited everyone, thats why they came" is not exactly what happened...

Well i guess saying that the Race refugee comes with a lot of crime makes me a racist.

I already told you that your posts are making you look like a racist. I am actually of the opinion that some refugees that come are criminals. That an undeniable fact, because in each group you have such people. Coming into a thread about some refugee killing someone, saying "refugees are criminals" make you look racist.

Its like if I come into a thread about some black guy killing someone and say "Wow. It seems blacks really kill more than white Americans." wouldnt you agree that this actually would show someone what opinion they have of black people in general?

 

[Sunster]

But they're not moving to Germany because they can't. They would love to but they can't. If Germany suddenly opened its borders and invited everyone in the world to come and live there permanently you'd see millions of people accepting the invitation. Just as you saw millions of refugees coming in when the border was opened to them.

Let's not even get to issue where a lot of these "refugees" were not from Syria but surrounding countries pretending to be from Syria who exploited the invitation to get it.

Yea, same for the US. Duh. Good thing they are not doing that.They came up with a specific amount that the government decided it could handle and that's who they are taking in.

 

[Madness]

No one in this thread defended this criminal act. Try to read a bit more carefully.

Nope but several tried to hand wave away the attack as if it was insignificant because hey 'Germans also commit attacks', 'We need to accept some risk if it means helping them flee war' etc.

If it was your mother, father, sister, brother, son or daughter being killed, you'd be singing a different tune. It seems empathy only extends if it is something that advances your own beliefs or biases.

 

[Jacobi]

Here's a video of the guy running around

http://pr0gramm.com/new/reutlingen/1427786

 

[MistakenMobius]

Yeah dude you totally nailed it, all muslims are scumbags and have no respect for their mothers, sisters, daughters. That's the first option you should jump to.


Yes the middle-east still has problems with gender equality, but some of you guys treat people from there as if they are ruthless thugs and that's it. Broaden your perspective a little bit and maybe think of other reasons why young males might be the ones more likely to make the trek from the ME to Europe.

When people say that even if my father was a maoist, I have a Christian first name but I am Muslim because of my origin, I have an issue.
When people kills girls in the backwater of my dad family country, I have issue.
When it start to appears here in Europe, I have a big issue with that.
Sorry for lashing out.

 

[Jacobi]

Yea, same for the US. Duh. Good thing they are not doing that.They came up with a specific amount that the government decided it could handle and that's who they are taking in.

No, they didn't take in more because the Balkan route was closed.
The German government didn't have anything to do with that

 

[Sch1sm]

He's talking about European countries that aren't Germany. Not stopping in the many safe countries in South Eastern Europe, but continuing on to Germany, Sweden etc.

Wouldn't that more be an issue with what countries are appearing to take in refugees, or are taking in more of them, rather than the refugees overlooking those countries entirely? Croatia said no after receiving some and closed the border from Serbia, sending some Hungary's way. Hungary then closed their border with Croatia to end it, followed by Slovenia closing their borders, but are allowing passage to Austria for some. Macedonia shut theirs to Greece and refused some some from Serbia's end.

If you were to immediately list countries that are opening to take them in, it would be those exactly, no? Germany, Sweden, maybe Italy. Greece, of course.

Doesn't seem to be a choice thing anymore. It looks like they're being shut out in the southeast, and continuing on to Germany and Sweden because it's less likely they'll be turned away.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

let me guess, they are probably going to say that this guy had "psychological" problems to make it seem like less of a big deal.

Can't believe there is still a defense force for this and people are not understanding that this is a war.

I think you don't know what a "war" is. Maybe look it up at some point so you don't embarrass yourself further.

 

[CrunchyB]

It was very noble/nice thing she did but unfortunately not workable in the real world and we're seeing it happen right before us. She's put the safety of her people at risk, and given the far right a boost.
She's a fantastic politician and I really admire her but this was a pretty boneheaded move I'm afraid.

Agreed. I'm all for accepting refugees, but Merkel went a bit overboard.

And of course the safety of your own citizens should be the first priority of any government. That doesn't mean a country shouldn't strive to do more than just that, but those activities should not endanger the lives of your own citizens. That simply isn't sustainable. I don't know what some people in here who say otherwise are smoking.

 

[kcp12304]

let me guess, they are probably going to say that this guy had "psychological" problems to make it seem like less of a big deal.

Can't believe there is still a defense force for this and people are not understanding that this is a war.

Europe has had wars this is not a war. There are problems that need solutions but there is no need to for escalating rhetoric.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

Nope but several tried to hand wave away the attack as if it was insignificant because hey 'Germans also commit attacks', 'We need to accept some risk if it means helping them flee war' etc.

Because they do. I am not saying we need to accept risks btw. I am just saying that such a case will be in the media (and has a thread on GAF now) because it was a refugee and it will support a certain view of refugees (that actually will lead to a generalization of those), while if a German father would kill his family, "no one" would really care...

It seems empathy only extends if it is something that advances your own beliefs or biases.

And so it would be okay if no european country would accept refugees and let children, babies, dads, sons, moms, brothers etc. die in their own country?

 

[Lamel]

Nope but several tried to hand wave away the attack as if it was insignificant because hey 'Germans also commit attacks', 'We need to accept some risk if it means helping them flee war' etc.

If it was your mother, father, sister, brother, son or daughter being killed, you'd be singing a different tune. It seems empathy only extends if it is something that advances your own beliefs or biases.

Of course no crime that involves murder is insignificant, but murders aren't once a month occurrences, and it's the conclusions you draw from the crime that matter.
"We need to accept some risk if it means helping them flee war" - does not hand wave away the attack; it pretty much is a fact - there will be risk.

The "germans also commit attacks" argument is aimed at the fact that those attacks can be similar in severity but not reported as the most important news, but this one will be because it involves a refugee. So yes you are correct, empathy only extends if it is something that advances your own beliefs or biases...and it goes both ways.

When people say that even if my father was a maoist, I have a Christian first name but I am Muslim because of my origin, I have an issue.
When people kills girls in the backwater of my dad family country, I have issue.
When it start to appears here in Europe, I have a big issue with that.
Sorry for lashing out.

I'm sorry you've had bad experiences; truly that must be difficult.

Regardless I don't understand how dehumanizing everyone in the middle east as emotionless monsters who treat their women as slaves helps this thread. Just like you are a person with your own individual experiences, so are the refugees. Generalizing them all is not going to help the situation.

 

[IHaveIce]

Smh at this thread, naziwebsites are linked, people immediately jump again on the bandwagon of blaming the government.

Of course such a event is tragic and should not happen but this turned again into a completely different debate.

GAF is one of the the worst sites to debate this topic and I blame no others than the lacking moderation and understanding of EU politics by the users here.

 

[Markoman]

what international law was broken? She said they'd accept refugees that get there, that conforms to all agreements. Whether immigration is justified or not is determined by seeking asylum and it being granted or rejected.
An AfD politician also said they should shoot women and kids to protect their borders.

Dublin regulation for starters.

If Germany picked the refugees up via plane/ship directly in Turkey/ bordering states of Syria, I would fully agree with you. But this didn't happen.

 

[L.O.R.D]

all this accidents because of a civil war in one country.
imagine of the world helps taken down al assad before all this happen?

syrian people can't go to UAE or any gulf country (except for KSA in some cases only)
but they allows millions of Egyptians and Indian and Pakistan to enter.

why? where we have to go? i will be deported soon from saudi arabia unless i find someone to be his slave,i born here and lived all my life here,but they still look at me as outsider and "job eater from the Saudis".
and before you say:"can't you read the OP?"
yes i read it,it's impossible he did it because he want,someone forced him and manipulate him to do that

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Europe has had wars this is not a war. There are problems that need solutions but there is no need to for escalating rhetoric.

This case is directly and literally connected to a war that western countries are engaged in on official and covert levels.

 

[Salty Rice]

saying "refugees are criminals" make you look racist

Only too bad i never said that.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

Only too bad i never said.

Are you really going that way?

All your posts lead to that:

Oh believe me the crime rate of refugees are much higher.

Not in that amount. Stop being so ignorant if you think its not much higher with refugees.

But i guess many just gonna continue to call me asshole and a fear monger and call these things coincidence that its all refugees.

Now lets replace the word refugees with blacks, just so that Americans (since that forum is still pretty american centric) might see what I mean (though I am quite sure they are capable to do that):

Oh believe me the crime rate of blacks are much higher.

Not in that amount. Stop being so ignorant if you think its not much higher with blacks.

But i guess many just gonna continue to call me asshole and a fear monger and call these things coincidence that its all blacks.

I should stop arguing semantics with you....

 

[maniac-kun]

German media are trying to downplay this shit. They report "a man" killed a woman with a machete and somewhere at the end of the news they mention it was a syrian refugee. They tried the same thing with the Cologne sexual abuse attacks at new years.

 

[kcp12304]

This case is directly and literally connected to a war that western countries are engaged in on official and covert levels.

But that's not what the person I was replying to was talking about. He/she seems to be talking about a war happening in Europe which is unhelpful escalation of the situation.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

German media are trying to downplay this shit. They report "a man" killed a woman with a machete and somewhere at the end of the news they mention it was a syrian refugee. They tried the same thing with the Cologne sexual abuse attacks at new years.

Why is that downplaying? Because its not blatant racist right wing speak like in so many of the sites linked in this thred?

 

[ClosingADoor]

all this accidents because of a civil war in one country.
imagine of the world helps taken down al assad before all this happen?

syrian people can't go to UAE or any gulf country (except for KSA in some cases only)
but they allows millions of Egyptians and Indian and Pakistan to enter.

why? where we have to go? i will be deported soon from saudi arabia unless i find someone to be his slave,i born here and lived all my life here,but they still look at me as outsider and "job eater from the Saudis".
and before you say:"can't you read the OP?"
yes i read it,it's impossible he did it because he want,someone forced him and manipulate him to do that

I'm sorry for your situation, but what do you mean with that last sentence? Wasn't this man responsible for his own actions?

 

[Salty Rice]

Are you really going that way?

All your posts lead to that:

Saying that they bring a lot of crime and "they are all criminals" is a huge difference so please stop with that garbage and twisting my words.

Edit: Also you are the fucked up one who compares black people with the group of refugees as its just about their color like wtf is wrong with you.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

German media are trying to downplay this shit. They report "a man" killed a woman with a machete and somewhere at the end of the news they mention it was a syrian refugee. They tried the same thing with the Cologne sexual abuse attacks at new years.

Yes, obviously putting the fact that he was a refugee "at the end" is totally downplaying it, nobody reads a full article. That's how they get you. Calling him "a man" how dare they?

Is this fucking real? Like, I can't tell if that's a joke or not.

 

[Phantast2k]

German media are trying to downplay this shit. They report "a man" killed a woman with a machete and somewhere at the end of the news they mention it was a syrian refugee. They tried the same thing with the Cologne sexual abuse attacks at new years.

SZ: Syrer

Bild: Syrer

SPON: Syrer

/oh ok, title vs content. You're right then.

 

[Sch1sm]

German media are trying to downplay this shit. They report "a man" killed a woman with a machete and somewhere at the end of the news they mention it was a syrian refugee. They tried the same thing with the Cologne sexual abuse attacks at new years.

It's not like they omitted the information. It's just different framing.

E: I'm not sure how relevant it is that he is a refugee. Not like his status makes him immune to his actions. He's a man who killed a woman with a machete and attacked/injured two others. I dunno. It's refreshing to me in a time of shock value media.

 

[Markoman]

Yea there are laws and rules and borders. That's why 90% of the world isn't moving to Germany. They have accepted 800,000 Syrians and currently have 360,000. They aren't taking in the entire world. So where is the madness?

Man, amnesia much? The reason why we're not hearing about thousands of refugees coming to Germany on a daily basis anymore is not because suddenly there is no one left who wants to go to Germany. The reason is: all states on the Balkan route closed their borders, because Germany might be able to accept 5 million refuees or even more, but countries like Macedonia simply can't deal with a huge,constant stream of migrants.

I really do appreciate people with a selfless sense for morality, but you should never sacrifice rationality just for the sake of it.

 

[YianGaruga]

German media are trying to downplay this shit. They report "a man" killed a woman with a machete and somewhere at the end of the news they mention it was a syrian refugee. They tried the same thing with the Cologne sexual abuse attacks at new years.

damn Lügenpresse huh

 

[Vuze]

I guess I'll call my brother and tell him, his safety and life is worth less than his coworker's

I mean, go ahead, I won't stop you from doing it.
But I fail to see how me supporting stricter punishments for police-known criminals who commit acts of violence negatively impacts your brother's safety/life.


Is it confirmed that the woman was pregnant?

 

[Shredderi]

Wait the woman was pregnant? That is fucking abhorrent. I hope this guy gets fucked with a machete himself. Shit like that makes me so fucking angry.

As for why it seems to be such a big deal if a man committing a crime like this has a refugee background, I think it shocks people more since people propably perceive the refugees in their country to be in position of gratitude and see this kinds of things as "biting the hand that feeds". These cases doesn't seem to make much sense. I mean, why come all the way to Germany to be safe, only to then attack people with a machete?

 

[norinrad]

all this accidents because of a civil war in one country.
imagine of the world helps taken down al assad before all this happen?

syrian people can't go to UAE or any gulf country (except for KSA in some cases only)
but they allows millions of Egyptians and Indian and Pakistan to enter.

why? where we have to go? i will be deported soon from saudi arabia unless i find someone to be his slave,i born here and lived all my life here,but they still look at me as outsider and "job eater from the Saudis".
and before you say:"can't you read the OP?"
yes i read it,it's impossible he did it because he want,someone forced him and manipulate him to do that

Taking him out would have still brought us where we are today. We never should have supported the up rising.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

But that's not what the person I was replying to was talking about. He/she seems to be talking about a war happening in Europe which is unhelpful escalation of the situation.

This is a discussion on the level of base propaganda and media spin. The consequences of this war are affecting Europe and it is a war. There is no military invasion of Europe but that does not mean that there is no war.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

These cases doesn't seem to make much sense. I mean, why come all the way to Germany to be safe, only to then attack people with a machete?

These people often have PTSD from what they had to live through. They are usually alone in a country where they don't speak the language, have often lost parts of their families, they have no idea what is happening to them,no prospects, no privacy, they aren't allowed to work or do anything productive for months, they often experience racism.

Tbh, I'm surprised that we don't see them snap more often.

 

[His Majesty]

Are you really going that way?

All your posts lead to that:

Now lets replace the word refugees with blacks, just so that Americans (since that forum is still pretty american centric) might see what I mean (though I am quite sure they are capable to do that):

Oh believe me the crime rate of blacks are much higher.

I should stop arguing semantics with you....

I'm not sure what your point is. Is it racist to point out that the crime rate of African Americans is higher than the national average? Or is it racist to point out the same without any data to back it up?

Anyhow, your analogy is rather poorly chosen.

But I share your sentiment, I'd like to see some recent data regarding refugee crime.

 

[Mesousa]

Taking him out would have still brought us where we are today. We never should have supported the up rising.

This is the correct answer.

 

[Boney]

It's crazy how right wingers want to strip the population of human rights when faced with terrorist attacks and propaganda.

It's way worse when combined with the outrage culture of the internet

 

[L.O.R.D]

I'm sorry for your situation, but what do you mean with that last sentence? Wasn't this man responsible for his own actions?

someone drove him insane,or he was spy from ISIS which they got payed from the syrian government to sabotage the reputation of the refugee so European country wont take any one of them .

i've seen some of the Syrian government loyalist from the national syrian TV and how they speak about the refugees as they are traitors and must be killed by any means because they left the country.

 

[kcp12304]

This is a discussion on the level of base propaganda and media spin. The consequences of this war are affecting Europe and it is a war. There is no military invasion of Europe but that does not mean that there is no war.

I'm not denying that and didn't suggest that. There is a war that effects Europe and involves them but not one IN EUROPE. How it effects the is what is being argued in this thread.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

90% of the worlds population would love to live in Germany. Heck, I wouldn't mind living there but it doesn't mean it should be allowed. There a reason why we national borders, visas, quotas etc. simply letting everyone in because they prefer your country is just madness.

Except yes, EU citizens are all allowed to go live and work in Germany and other countries if they wish. A right that 51% of the UK decided to throw away. I'm in the camp that believes between countries of similar status there should be less migration regulations. Are you a right winger by any chance? And lol at people on a liberal leaning forums using far right talking points like 'liar press'. It's funny how GAF condemns Republican politicians when they say things like black people/Mexicans commit more crime, or when Trump says 'Mexicans are murderers and rapists, build a wall', but somehow it's OK to say similar things when it comes to Syrian refugees. Treat individuals like individuals, because you are tarnishing many innocent people in your broad brush.

For the record, I believe the refugee crisis has been handled wrong, and should have been done in a more orderly way. We should keep them in safe UN refugee camps where people can apply to come to Europe if they want, and recieve a response to their application.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I'm not sure what your point is. Is it racist to point out that the crime rate of African Americans is higher than the national average? Or is it racist to point out the same without any data to back it up?

Its racist when you use it as talking point and ignore all the circumstances that lead to that higher crime rate.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

This is a discussion on the level of base propaganda and media spin. The consequences of this war are affecting Europe and it is a war. There is no military invasion of Europe but that does not mean that there is no war.

Other countries feeling effects from a war doesn't mean that they are "at war". Saying there is a war in Europe is nothing but propaganda.

 

[Jacobi]

someone drove him insane,or he was spy from ISIS which they got payed from the syrian government to sabotage the reputation of the refugee so European country wont take any one of them .

i've seen some of the Syrian government loyalist from the national syrian TV and how they speak about the refugees as they are traitors and must be killed by any means because they left the country.

Have you ever heard of occam'rs razor?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor