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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Blu Rays are just a piece of plastic though. Flash memory can be pricey to produce above certain capacity. 32 GB sd card cost 10 bucks. I just hope games for NX will not cost 5-10 bucks more just because it's on cartridge. Nintendo games already aren't cheap.
I'm guessing it's similar to the Wii remote, both parts are untethered.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Not true, TDP relates to the units cooling performance, not whether or not whether or not it's being powered by battery.
Personally I think its unlikely they will lower clocks from attached to un-attached as this would affect game perfomance, I imagine they will want parity between handheld mode / console mode
and will achieve that instead with the lesser display resolution requirements of it in handheld mode.
Nintendo doesn't care about performance, period, despite the best, most ridiculous expectations of the old WUST crowd
The important question not being asked yet, do they mean 32 Gigabyte cartridges, or 32 Gigabit cartridges, because as far as I can remember, cartridge capacity was always quoted by Nintendo and others by Gigabit, not Gigabyte.
This to me is the only objectively terrible part of this rumor.
There is no reason to have detachable controllers. It's just asking for shit to break and for it to be less comfortable. Simply give us a Pro Controller as well and don't have the handheld come apart at all. It just complicates things and dramatically increases the chances for hardware failure or loss.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
That would be a mistake.
Nintendo is smart enough to know the entire package needs to be in that box. I'm predicting $399 for the entire enchilada.
Aaronrules380
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It could change clock speed and such depending on if it is docked or not.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Except X2 is probably the chip, not X1.
*Rubs chin*. Huh. That's certainly an interesting concept, I'm guessing this thing is going to be the size of a small tablet.
Trilobit
Member
You know what.. I want that!
● It would be fun and easy to take on trips.
● It would blend in inconspicuously in my apartment.
● Playing multiplayer games with simpler control schemes would be super fun with younger relatives.
● Having Nintendos console and handheld game companies join forces in one machine = Cool!
I feel optimistic because it would be such a cozy console and possibly give a more intimate gaming experience.
I still think this is just the "handheld" SKU. I'll wait until September to be bummed, but the one silver lining is the patent Nintendo got for expansion, so if this is indeed the only device, hopefully the docks will be capable of adding more power to the system when plugged into the TV.
The Hermit
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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What about internal memory? If this thing is going to support digital, how much space is Nintendo going to give us to store our games? Will they use flash memory? If the answer is yes, what kind? Doesn't that mean this handheld is going to be expensive (assuming your average NX game is around 25GB in size)?
wild wild rice
Member
Oh god it's a 3DS, the most torturous device ever held in human hands. PLEASE don't be a fucking rectangle. My thumbs like to rest at 45 degrees, not perpendicular with my hands.
Wouldn't it make more sense to hold each controler in each hand? Like two Wii remotes with diffrent buttons on each.
Mr Waluigi
Banned
Yeah, I just read a few recent posts.
Anyway. The handheld component sounds useless for me, but I think it may be a huge success worldwide. The Wii and DS catered to people who don't play video games much, addressing a market that the PS3, PSP and Xbox 360 largely ignored. Wii U failed because it did not offer something wildly different from PS4 and Xbox One (only inferior) and it did not try to address an unusued market. The NX would allow people who play games casually (on phone, tablet, etc) to enjoy high-end console games anywhere, which I think can finally put up a challenge against the PS4 and X1. With the latter also bringing out the big guns with VR and 4K, this generation is going to get pretty interesting I think.
So the article said:
Could this be where the SCDs come into play? The dock can be replaced by another dock with more RAM or something?
I'd imagine that fitting a credible amount of RAM into a handheld would be the biggest compromise this system would have to make. (Even the top of the line iPad only has 4 GB of RAM)
Could this be where the SCDs come into play? The dock can be replaced by another dock with more RAM or something?
I'd imagine that fitting a credible amount of RAM into a handheld would be the biggest compromise this system would have to make. (Even the top of the line iPad only has 4 GB of RAM)
All right, so here's the longer thoughts I promised earlier.
1.) I think shifting down to one piece of hardware makes the most sense, and their console line was the obviously super dead and redundant product line, so a handheld that outputs to a TV is the best fit from that perspective. This was the product line suggestion I've been making for a few years now, since it's both easier to support, easier to release new iterations of with minimal R&D costs, and at least has a theoretical target audience, and I think it still makes sense.
2.) Tegra means it's going to be a high end, modern feature set handheld more akin to what Sony did with their handhelds than what Nintendo has been doing recently. High end console game ports feel like a more dubious proposition, but anything you see on phones, handhelds, or the type of mid-tier games you see out of Japan should all fit fine. I'd imagine it's a pretty nice target for most indie titles as well. It should also trivially support all major engines, with the requirements of the games running on the engines being the main question. I suspect anyone coming at this device from a handheld perspective is going to be really happy with the hardware, while console gamers will be more of a mix bag. I would expect graphical improvements over the Wii U given the much more modern hardware feature set and that the Wii U is so ancient that mobile hardware in a handheld should be able to power past it, but I don't see a scenario where this compares to the Xbox One. Rendering on a handheld screen will presumably look a lot more impressive than a TV, and would almost assuredly be my personal preference using the device.
3.) I don't think losing BC is an issue. This generation made it really clear that you want to make the correct hardware choice for the future instead of the hardware choice that allows you to run last generation's games. If I were a console vendor, I would make this trade-off every time (unless the correct choice just happened to let me run old games easily anyway).
4.) It's a handheld so obviously physical discs are a non-starter, so cartridges make sense from that perspective. 32 GB cartridges could potentially eat into margins, but presumably games are largely going to be $60 from now on, and that should offset the cost. 32 GB is a bit tight for high end PS4/XB1 games, but again I'm not convinced getting those is the main goal of the system.
5.) The base station with TV out makes sense since it's presumably also a charging station, and thus you don't have to worry about power when using it as a console. I'm curious to see if it can upclock the processing speed when connected to a power outlet to help with any potential resolution bump, or if it just is a power charging situation. I think either scenario is fine and won't really make a difference to the platform's situation, and is more of just a technical curiosity.
6.) I'll judge the operating system when I see it. Not being Android is fine if it works well.
7.) September is a fine reveal window. That's six months before launch, which is about how long companies spend advertising their games these days anyway.
8.) The detachable controller thing sounds fine. I don't think it's some amazing selling point, but it lets them sell one unit that conveniently fits both form factors without it sounding like a nightmare, and that should be considered a win.
Overall I'm optimistic about the system from a personal interest perspective. It will be nice having Nintendo hardware that is actually modern for what it is. I need to see a bit more to get a sense of the potential market situation, though it's hard for me to imagine a handheld in 2017+ that sells more than the 3DS did overall. It does sound like something that would do quite a bit better than the Wii U however, if only due to handhelds being way more popular in Japan and way more accessible and appealing to children in the West.
1.) I think shifting down to one piece of hardware makes the most sense, and their console line was the obviously super dead and redundant product line, so a handheld that outputs to a TV is the best fit from that perspective. This was the product line suggestion I've been making for a few years now, since it's both easier to support, easier to release new iterations of with minimal R&D costs, and at least has a theoretical target audience, and I think it still makes sense.
2.) Tegra means it's going to be a high end, modern feature set handheld more akin to what Sony did with their handhelds than what Nintendo has been doing recently. High end console game ports feel like a more dubious proposition, but anything you see on phones, handhelds, or the type of mid-tier games you see out of Japan should all fit fine. I'd imagine it's a pretty nice target for most indie titles as well. It should also trivially support all major engines, with the requirements of the games running on the engines being the main question. I suspect anyone coming at this device from a handheld perspective is going to be really happy with the hardware, while console gamers will be more of a mix bag. I would expect graphical improvements over the Wii U given the much more modern hardware feature set and that the Wii U is so ancient that mobile hardware in a handheld should be able to power past it, but I don't see a scenario where this compares to the Xbox One. Rendering on a handheld screen will presumably look a lot more impressive than a TV, and would almost assuredly be my personal preference using the device.
3.) I don't think losing BC is an issue. This generation made it really clear that you want to make the correct hardware choice for the future instead of the hardware choice that allows you to run last generation's games. If I were a console vendor, I would make this trade-off every time (unless the correct choice just happened to let me run old games easily anyway).
4.) It's a handheld so obviously physical discs are a non-starter, so cartridges make sense from that perspective. 32 GB cartridges could potentially eat into margins, but presumably games are largely going to be $60 from now on, and that should offset the cost. 32 GB is a bit tight for high end PS4/XB1 games, but again I'm not convinced getting those is the main goal of the system.
5.) The base station with TV out makes sense since it's presumably also a charging station, and thus you don't have to worry about power when using it as a console. I'm curious to see if it can upclock the processing speed when connected to a power outlet to help with any potential resolution bump, or if it just is a power charging situation. I think either scenario is fine and won't really make a difference to the platform's situation, and is more of just a technical curiosity.
6.) I'll judge the operating system when I see it. Not being Android is fine if it works well.
7.) September is a fine reveal window. That's six months before launch, which is about how long companies spend advertising their games these days anyway.
8.) The detachable controller thing sounds fine. I don't think it's some amazing selling point, but it lets them sell one unit that conveniently fits both form factors without it sounding like a nightmare, and that should be considered a win.
Overall I'm optimistic about the system from a personal interest perspective. It will be nice having Nintendo hardware that is actually modern for what it is. I need to see a bit more to get a sense of the potential market situation, though it's hard for me to imagine a handheld in 2017+ that sells more than the 3DS did overall. It does sound like something that would do quite a bit better than the Wii U however, if only due to handhelds being way more popular in Japan and way more accessible and appealing to children in the West.
Mr. Pointy
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Just a thought. Maybe you can buy a dock that has extra graphics hardware for the console mode.
sammyCYBORG
Member
I've always been against the Nintendo 3rd party idea, but with each gimmick console, I slide more and more towards it.
Their games are still great, but it's getting to the point where the hardware starts to gimp or compromise the experiences.
I just want Nintendo's great game design on a traditional console.
Their games are still great, but it's getting to the point where the hardware starts to gimp or compromise the experiences.
I just want Nintendo's great game design on a traditional console.
Davey Cakes
Member
I don't know.
After Nintendo's experiments with connectivity over the years (Gameboy Player, GBA-GC, 3DS-Wii U, GBA VC), this just seems like a natural evolution of "them."
After Nintendo's experiments with connectivity over the years (Gameboy Player, GBA-GC, 3DS-Wii U, GBA VC), this just seems like a natural evolution of "them."
Not sure if a handheld/home console hybrid is the best idea but I'm not against it either. I actually like the idea of being able to take my whole console and handheld library with me when travelling. The handheld part seems great but obviously as a home console it could suffer as a result of having to be less powerful as a necessity. Interesting implications for Nintendo though if there is a grain of truth here especially as EG notes that this move makes it seems like Nintendo are placing more emphasis on the handheld portion of the NX.
Uhhh wtf is someone supposed to do with nothing but a thumbstick and a D-pad?
So....Breath of the Wild seems even more amazing if its running on a Tegra device. Then again seeing some of the games on the Vita this shouldnt be a surprise its using something like Tegra with a game like BotW.
The most important, crucial thing will be price. At the right price this thing could sell well.
The most important, crucial thing will be price. At the right price this thing could sell well.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Indeed, it would have been kind of suicidal to try to compete in power with Xbox and Playstation , its the right time for them to exit the home console market.
Nintendo's handheld audience was always bigger than its home console one.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agreed 100%. My first thought was my kids breaking the inputs by forcing the controllers in the slots.
well shield has to deal with android ...
serenewarfare
Banned
Not portable, there it can render at a lower resolution, but docked it could.
Angry Chair
Member
What's the point of including a stand?
I'm cautiously optimistic. I find the Wii U to be at its best when I'm within range of the console and can play in Off TV mode on the Gamepad. Being able to have "Wii U+" quality in a handheld/tablet form factor with real controls and without the terrible range limitations sounds pretty divine to me. How the rest of the world will react when it's actually unveiled is anyone's guess. Much of that will be in how Nintendo rolls it out and sells it.
Coffee Dog
Banned
why would they force the inclusion of the dock? why would they make the handheld more expensive when recent years have shown the market wont pay over 200 for one?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
What the chip can or cannot do cannot be demostrated by a single android port. IF that was the case then X1 running DoomBFG 1080p@60 should tell you how it compares to 360/ps3.
How many big, third party games are there a year nowadays? They're so expensive to develop that they didn't want to take a risk with install bases that weren't built up like Sony's or Microsoft's. If this thing takes off, it'll give those developers (and smaller ones) a place to make games that are different to match the hardware but still successful.
Hopefully they've at least have a developer like M2 working on VC and eShop emulation on NX.
Gotta be honest, I'm disappointed in this being a handheld. I was hoping that their mobile titles would take over their handheld division and leave the rest of the company to focus on console quality games.
We'll see I guess. I do find myself kinda wanting a real upgrade to the 3DS these days. I hope the games look good.
We'll see I guess. I do find myself kinda wanting a real upgrade to the 3DS these days. I hope the games look good.
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Deleted member 752119
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It will get third party support. Just not CoD/GTA/AssCreed etc.
Japanese devs, mobile devs, indies etc are key. They can make games that appeal to Nintendo's base, not the western their parties whose bases are already established on other platforms, whose graphic styles require more power etc.
That said, the 3DS/Wii U libraries combined are pretty damn impressive and had some great years at their peak. So Nintendo should be able to have a steady stream of release now with only having one platform to support.
Cow Mengde
Banned
I would be more than happy to have a handheld that's around XBO in power. A freakin' handheld!!!
NinjaCoachZ
Member
You have one competitor with a failing handheld and one with no handheld. Now there's the idea of making the console and the handheld the same thing. Even if it's not an immediate priority, I'm sure there'd definitely be some intrigue there.
Majukun
Member
indie and jap devs already have their spaces, they don't need the NX
I think the main reason they detach is for home play. The 2-player thing doesn't make sense to me either, since most games need more buttons.
Remember, Miyamoto said this about Super Mario Sunshine too. I think it's just one of his lines.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
And that's a game with limited voice work and barely any CGI/Pre-rendered cutscenes.
Several games are way past the 32GB mark and it will keep increasing.
Aceofspades
Banned
forget about the power, 35GB max cartridges will rule out GTA VI already, unless you want compressed to hell assets.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It's not a new concept. That Neo Geo system that came out a few years back was a portable that plugged into a dock that resembled an AES unit, for TV gaming.
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