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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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robertsan21
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This is much better than my cut up Wii U mockup and the similar one from Tom Philips.
I did your idea with a Wii U gamepad:
They could literally call this Wii U 2, what could go wrong!
Hell, they could attach 2 more controllers on the remaining sides and launch with a port of Warlords.
I don't think the joining of the 2 controllers is important. The screen will be more fun while playing solo. The 2nd player can play snes like using the dpad as buttons. It worked with the cpad on n64.
Hell ya. Based Nintendo. I can't wait for the reveal.
Not sure this does make a ton of sense like a lot of folks have stated.
The reason that dedicated mobile handheld gaming has been going downhill isn't because of the lack of power or visuals - one can just look at the Vita. It's because people are already carrying something around with them at all times - their smartphone - and a lot of folks don't want to carry a separate thing around for games because, guess what, their smartphone is about a billion times more powerful than a 3DS.
Personally I don't really care about another handheld; it sure sounds like they're trying to cater to everyone but I hope it doesn't turn into a case where it's a jack of all trades, master of none situation....
The reason that dedicated mobile handheld gaming has been going downhill isn't because of the lack of power or visuals - one can just look at the Vita. It's because people are already carrying something around with them at all times - their smartphone - and a lot of folks don't want to carry a separate thing around for games because, guess what, their smartphone is about a billion times more powerful than a 3DS.
Personally I don't really care about another handheld; it sure sounds like they're trying to cater to everyone but I hope it doesn't turn into a case where it's a jack of all trades, master of none situation....
Maintenance
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But there will be a lot of bigger games, that's for sure. See Bayonetta, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, XCX. That's going to be a problem sooner rather than later.
I think it comes down to the games. People will buy it if they make compelling, innovative software again. Zelda BOTW is a great example of this. If it is just the typical Nintendo output, it will sell to Nintendo fans and will probably see a reduction in userbase compared to the 3DS.
I suppose that is why this is a smart idea. They are trying to simplify development as much as possible so Nintendo is in a better position to making industry leading games again.
BRocknRolla
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I honestly don't know how I feel about this. Mobile platforms just don't play very much into my general gaming life-style. If the docked play is a good experience, it might be fine. Hard to know.
Going to be very torn until I know more.
Going to be very torn until I know more.
I'd say between 0 and ROFLCOPTER
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Its dead as a handheld if it's $300. And Nintendo depends on handhelds these days. They can't be stupid enough to make it so high end that their biggest audience can't buy it. I see $250 or less. Essentially a 2016 3DS XL in cost to Nintendo. The dock could even be separate if it includes a chip to boost the power. Without a chip, a plastic HDMI dock would cost them only a few dollars to make and include. So basically they just spend $35-45 more in chip quality and they can make it happen. In 2016 a plastic single screen tablet with plastic handles ain't gonna be crazy expensive to make.
Seriously, Amazon has an acceptable Fire tablet out for $49 (less than $40 on frequent sales). Nintendo isn't trying to compete for sales with PS4 in price.
playing a game like zelda in a shitty environment like a crowded, smelly, loud bus sounds terrible
i'd rather just, you know, put down the controller, take a break, and come back home after work to play some more on my couch on a big nice tv.
This made me laugh harder thanit should have. Man o man..
Ok this is interesting.
And their other mobile games, yeah. So if this is designed with the casual consumer in mind, it's gonna be hard getting them off of their phones for this.
reelbigtink
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kunonabi
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Pretty much. Wii U 1st party + 3DS 3rd party support + Wii U indies = Pretty darn good time especially if some of the Vita 3rd party support moves over too.
The lesson here is to never take what a CEO says as gospel. Things change, or a strategy needs to be kept under wraps.
Real_Madrid
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Pretty much. No real AAA-console and no real handheld focused device.
I never game on the go, so I would pay for the handheld part even if I'm never going to use the small screen.
Ninja Scooter
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Pokemon Go is what it is because it's free and on everybody's phone. It's not going to sell non-gamers on gaming hardware. You don't always have to cross the streams. I think Nintendo realizes this.
This should be the biggest takeaway. The library is going to blow away previous Nintendo consoles because all their resources are focused on a single platform.
StereoVsn
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At what power output? Google Pixel throttles like crazy for example. When you are talking handheld, surely that's under 10w, not 20w. You aren't getting that 1TF at that power level.
HandsomeCharles
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To play it with a friend somewhere where there isn't a TV. At work on break, at school/university, on a train etc.
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What I take from this is that we're getting a really powerful handheld. This is what I want. I don't give a single shit about the console part. The main thing I need is a replacement for the Vita.
Coffee Dog
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Indie games and Japanese games do not move dedicated devices.
Maybe it's the wanting for something normal?
Idk it's weird af but I like it because Of how it could have handheld games and my 3ds is getting a lot of use these days. I'll wait for the reveal to chime in completely tho
Held off on getting a Wii U during the last year cos I was expecting NX to be b/c so this is kind of disappointing especially since the controller has a screen. But I get it since their switching to tegra.
We'll see man. It'll have nintendo game so it has base level appeal to me but my first reaction to the concept of system sounds kinda meh. Excited to see them reveal it though.
edit: Also curious to know who multiplayer will work when it's in "console" mode. Like, I wonder if you'll be able to plug classic controllers into base station or something, cos if you need 4 NX's to play 4 player mario kart that's an expensive proposition
We'll see man. It'll have nintendo game so it has base level appeal to me but my first reaction to the concept of system sounds kinda meh. Excited to see them reveal it though.
edit: Also curious to know who multiplayer will work when it's in "console" mode. Like, I wonder if you'll be able to plug classic controllers into base station or something, cos if you need 4 NX's to play 4 player mario kart that's an expensive proposition
The Hermit
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Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
They were nevery going to be in in the first place. Very easy to be negative.
EnlightenedMint
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So it seems like it's what everyone was expecting with a twist, really looking forward to finally seeing this thing.
Alex_Mexico
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Im not sure what to make of this but I do know Im not particularly excited with what I just read.
And why cartridges? Isnt producing a flash memory drive of 50GB (what a Blu ray holds) costs like 10 times more than a disc?
Announce the thing already, Nintendo. People will leak everything before you unveil shit if you continue to drag this on.
And why cartridges? Isnt producing a flash memory drive of 50GB (what a Blu ray holds) costs like 10 times more than a disc?
Announce the thing already, Nintendo. People will leak everything before you unveil shit if you continue to drag this on.
tiebreaker
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It's usually a direct conversion.
At least I would only have to buy one instead of two Nintendo devices now.
ShockingAlberto
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So my assumption is that they're looking at what third parties can and will do with a next-gen portable and combining that with what they think a new console can do with those same third parties (i.e. nothing).
The biggest Vita games are not graphical powerhouses - by and large, the games that do really leverage the Vita hardware also didn't sell very well, which disincentivizes third parties from really trying too hard on graphically intense portable games. Moreover, Nintendo themselves probably can't keep burning the candle at both ends - they can't make PS4-style games (note: don't read this as an indication of graphical power for the NX) on a home console, Wii U-style games on a handheld, and hope both systems sell well. They don't have the time or money for that and it would eventually discourage the direction they want to go of lower budget, more experimental games with occasional AAA titles.
The problem this thing is meant to solve isn't the Wii U failing - not entirely, at least. It's Nintendo recognizing that another graphical bump for their handhelds will either entirely go to waste or it will force handheld development into the realm of console development, which is bad for them and bad for third parties that did well on 3DS.
I don't know if it will succeed, it's definitely going to be a hard sell and will certainly need to be priced appropriately, but I see the logic.
The biggest Vita games are not graphical powerhouses - by and large, the games that do really leverage the Vita hardware also didn't sell very well, which disincentivizes third parties from really trying too hard on graphically intense portable games. Moreover, Nintendo themselves probably can't keep burning the candle at both ends - they can't make PS4-style games (note: don't read this as an indication of graphical power for the NX) on a home console, Wii U-style games on a handheld, and hope both systems sell well. They don't have the time or money for that and it would eventually discourage the direction they want to go of lower budget, more experimental games with occasional AAA titles.
The problem this thing is meant to solve isn't the Wii U failing - not entirely, at least. It's Nintendo recognizing that another graphical bump for their handhelds will either entirely go to waste or it will force handheld development into the realm of console development, which is bad for them and bad for third parties that did well on 3DS.
I don't know if it will succeed, it's definitely going to be a hard sell and will certainly need to be priced appropriately, but I see the logic.
Great news, you could still do that with this system?
I mean, that is the point of Nintendo diversifying their IP, to generate revenue from other avenues such as theme parks and mobile games. If all of the people spending money on the Pokemon Go and other upcoming mobile titles like Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem mobile games don't buy into NX it doesn't matter because Nintendo still eating.
I don't think Nintendo has to cover high-end gaming, but the report makes it sound like the price of the NX will likely be approximately in the same ballpark as XB1 and PS4 by the time NX launches. So, you've then got a low-end console that carries quite a steep price tag but a relatively high-end handheld .. despite the early days of the 3DS and the entire lifespan of the Vita showing that people don't care for expensive handhelds.
I just don't see how this is supposed to make sense if Nintendo hasn't yet some other incredible gimmick in hand.
Inglorious_ Man
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I am concerned about the price of the games for the NX because of the cartridges. Back in the SNES and N64 eras games could cost up to $80.
No, a powerful handheld, with the biggest first-party game library in the history of Nintendo. Positive thinking is good.
if this thing doesn't get the biggest games in the world, the GTAs, the EA sports, the CODs... it's dead on arrival.
GTA V is still #2 on the NPD chart almost three years after it's been released. when you don't offer the games people want, what's the point? a bunch of games that people kinda want (ie nintendo first party games in this day and age) isn't going to cut it.
That's optimistic. Anything over $250 without a killer feature like Nvidia Gamestream, and I'd personally predict selling around 2 million before being discontinued in 2019.
In August? Nah.. Sept is not far at all.
That's if you actually believe the whole "we didn't want people to steal our ideas" line and ignore the more likely case that Nintendo probably just didn't have their ducks in a row.
I would agree that this is not a good hardware choice if they're chasing high end PS4/XB1 games, but I'm not convinced of that premise.
This feels more like a device designed for a world where they see smartphones ruling, which would be true in the domestic market.
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