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[baphomet]

Oh man, this is going to be such a shit show.

This is Nintendo leaving the home console industry right here.

 

[GhostTrick]

Just because it might not have Western AAA 3rd party support doesn't mean that it's not going to have 3rd party support. If you take the 3DS Japanese 3rd party support, combine it with the Western indies that the Vita was getting (probably a lot more now that you don't have to worry about getting your game to work on the Vita's weak hardware and have a better than Vita install base to sell to), and Nintendo full-focused attention (not divided between two platforms) and this looks primed to have the best software lineup of any Nintendo system since the SNES.

Ding, ding, ding, someone gets it.

 

[AmyS]

And after the Cell architecture Sony steered clear

Yeah but Cell is not the point, nor was Cell from Nvidia. The point was, Nvidia hasn't had a game console GPU contract in like ~12 years (made official in late 2004 and PS3 launching in late 2006).
BTW, the Nvidia Shield TV micro console does not count, give that was their own attempt.

 

[demosthenes]

Yeeeees.

This is what I wanted.

 

[cyberheater]

Erm, a Wii U is ~170 GFlops. And less efficiently usable ones at that.

I meant to say just a bit more. Great for a handheld. Crappy for a home console.
Next we will see phones that will blow the NX away relative to performance.

 

[GrayDock]

For me the one part that makes the NX awesome it's to have all the N games in one system.
I missed a lot of games for being portable only, and I don't like portables for it's hindrances (battery, ergonomy, etc.).

I just think that NX's hardware will have the lower end of the stick regarding 3rdies.

 

[Ganondolf]

The dev units use this:



Which is just about a WiiU. It's very dissapointing.

on the eurogamer.net site they say there is a small possibility the final model will use the tegra x2 (not x1). They then have a link to a nvidia pda which lists a chip which has 2 tegra x2 which produces 8tflops

 

[Deku Tree]

I guess all the Breath of the Wild footage we have seen is Wii U graphics.

 

[sir_bumble_bee]

This is Nintendo reacting to the reality of their situation.

1) They are not going to chase the other two consoles power wise. They will always be behind because they concentrate on price and family oriented gaming.

2) Third parties were not going to magically come back to Nintendo just because of power. Nintendo has to have a successful console for them to really be into making games for it.

4) Nintendo really is a great software company, people literally buy their consoles for their games. Sony and MS cannot say that with a straight face. by focusing on just one console instead of a home console and a portable they could actually release a formidable library games of games on their own.

Great post. There are other notable points too but you hit the big ones. There is a reason why people were speculating a hybrid for so long.

 

[funkystudent]

And after the Cell architecture Sony steered clear

RSX.

But yeah. Both MS and Sony worked with them (PS3 and OG Xbox) and jumped to someone else the second they could.

 

[jstripes]

Sure it does. It reduces Nintendo's need to even think about third parties anymore. They could probably sustain the device on their own with Japanese and indie support, just like they did on 3DS.

Nintendo honestly does not need western AAA support to be successful.

They barely have any AAA support right now, and they're still turning a profit.

 

[Somnid]

Is it two little controllers or two halves of one build able controller?

Tweet indicated two little controllers, ie a stick and 4 buttons (and probably a trigger). When attached to the main unit they makeup a normal layout.

There is a possibility that the layout of the two controllers will not match the layout of a conventional controller. Both controllers will probably be symmetrical. That alone kinda rules out a layout where one side has a d-pad and the other side a group of four buttons.

A d-pad is 4 buttons so it's still mostly symmetrical. But I don't see why you couldn't use a Wii Remote (With extensions), or a Wii U Controller Pro.

 

[Griss]

If it's two full blown separate controllers then I have negative interest in this as a handheld and would rather just leave it at home. How are you supposed to carry that in your pockets?

As I said earlier, I don't think you're meant to. Like the vast majority of 3DS gamers, the idea is to play it at home, either when the TV is busy or you're in bed or on the crapper etc.

No portable console will ever have the ease of use or social acceptability of a smartphone, so attempting to fight phones in that way doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Jonneh3003]

The dock is more than likely going to add additional power.

Makes sense

 

[Ultima_5]

Mmm, okay...but why should consumers buy it? I guess it's good news for some Nintendo fans because it presumably eliminates the separate handheld console. Without a hook or a catch (beyond the MS Surface hybrid nature) I don't know. Maybe if they introduce it with a VR headset or something. Seems far behind the times if it's going to be using a cellphone processor, I mean high performance graphics cards are more affordable now than they have been in a long time.

I guess I'll have to see when and how they actually reveal it, because there must be more to it.

I'll buy it because it'll have Nintendo games and they'll look good and run well. You don't get those experiences on other consoles

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

I really wouldn't compare this directly to the PS4 or Xbox One. This is more like what would happen if the 3DS or Wii U were the same machine.

 

[GinoFelino]

Nintendo Go.

Calling it.

Go is five in Japanese, this being their 5th generation handheld. Also, makes sense to capitalise on the Pokemon Go mindshare.

I called it first way, way back ON FLIPPING PAGE 13 :O :O

http://neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=211428294

Bitch.

Spoiler

Kidding bro, we're both awesome. Bitch.

 

[Barry Burton]

Goddamnit.


They never learn.

What should they have done instead?

 

[Mr. Hyde]

If the system design turns out way better than I am picturing, I will probably be there day one. I have a nice PC I game on when I have time but my 3ds is where most of my time is invested lately. Consolidating their gaming to one library will make their first party bigger than spreading it over two systems. Plus, countries like Japan prefer mobile gaming so that should hopefully sell this overseas. I just hope they focus on the ergonomics and portability of the system. If I can have monster hunter, Zelda, Pokemon and other great games to play when I am moving and continue on the big screen when I get home, I will be more than satisfied despite the graphic power being less than current systems.

 

[cyberheater]

On a television sure. On a handheld there are battery concerns. Not a tough concept to wrap your head around. Handheld and TV output resolutions will be different.

I'm sure Tegras are designed to deliver high resolution graphics and great battery life.

 

[Ziocyte]

Put Pokemon, Fire Emblem and Monster Hunter on my living room TV? Yes please.

 

[oti]

This is Nintendo reacting to the reality of their situation.

1) They are not going to chase the other two consoles power wise. They will always be behind because they concentrate on price and family oriented gaming.

2) Third parties were not going to magically come back to Nintendo just because of power. Nintendo has to have a successful console for them to really be into making games for it.

4) Nintendo really is a great software company, people literally buy their consoles for their games. Sony and MS cannot say that with a straight face. by focusing on just one console instead of a home console and a portable they could actually release a formidable library games of games on their own.

Nintendo so hawt jumping over 3)
On fayah

 

[Green Yoshi]

Will the console feature an IPS-screen or a TN-screen? Or both as with the New 3DS XL?

 

[Jonneh3003]

I guess all the Breath of the Wild footage we have seen is Wii U graphics.

Well they were playing on Wii U's at E3...

Edit: That was a stupid response, sorry. Just meant to say that they've already said they aren't showing the NX version yet.

 

[Jackpot]

32GB game cartridges? Where is the tech on cartridges currently at? Does it still have the same expense issue back with the N64? I keep envisaging every game coming on a dedicated mini SSD.

 

[YAWN]

Yeah so this is gonna have:
Mario Kart
Pokemon
3D Mario
Zelda
Fire Emblem
SSB
Monster Hunter

On the go, or at home.
Shit me if this won't do well.

 

[Galava]

Put Pokemon, Fire Emblem and Monster Hunter on my living room TV? Yes please.

And splatoon on portable? I'm in day1

Release games as rumored:

Splatoon port
Smash bros port
Zelda NX

 

[mugurumakensei]

To be fair, even if it's $300, it's still a handheld AND a console, rolled together. That suddenly seems like a better value proposition. They're going to heavily market the fact it does both, according to the rumor.

I think the form factor is key here. If it looks sleek, if it looks like something people would want to lug around with them, then I think it'll catch on quicker.

...not looking forward to the inevitable revisions every couple years, though.

well, I expect upgrading power will be done via SCD if you don't want to buy the latest revision. if I were Nintendo, I'd double that dock port to be a high speed bus for external devices allowing for docks that do offer additional ram and GPU power. in the SDK, I'd offer easy facilities for querying SCD parameters then promote doing dynamic scaling like Forza Horizon or Halo 5 on XBox one so that having your game suddenly perform and look better just works without having to do massive patch.

 

[mikeyvids]

Two separate controllers:

Can't the controllers separating have nothing to do with number of players?

In home console mode won't this support wireless controllers?

There's got to be something more to this.

I really think it's to change out the type of peripheral OR they act as two baby Vive controllers and the screen can be used in VR like current gen smart phones.

 

[Neiteio]

NX COMMERCIAL:

*scene is a dark alley in the city at night*

DRUG DEALER: "No, Reggie — please! Please! I'll get you the money! I'm good for it!"

REGGIE: "No dice. Your time is up.*

*Reggie shoots the drug dealer, who falls dead in the alley. Reggie then pulls out his NX and starts playing Animal Crossing — outside!*

*cut to scene at Reggie's house*

REGGIE: "Boy you're heavy.*

*Reggie is feeding the drug dealer's body through the paper shredder in his home office. He then pulls out his NX and plays Animal Crossing — at home!*

 

[Sawneeks]

Well it looks like devs will have there choice as to whether they want to focus in the handheld side or the console side atleast. Because i just don't see how just Dance is gonna work on a portable lol.

That's a good point. I doubt Nintendo would allow devs to just have one over the other as that would make half of the system's functionality worthless but at the same time some games might just not work on the go.

Maybe this will be the first Nintendo console without Just Dance. O:

 

[Diddy Kong]

Mmm, okay...but why should consumers buy it? I guess it's good news for some Nintendo fans because it presumably eliminates the separate handheld console. Without a hook or a catch (beyond the MS Surface hybrid nature) I don't know. Maybe if they introduce it with a VR headset or something. Seems far behind the times if it's going to be using a cellphone processor, I mean high performance graphics cards are more affordable now than they have been in a long time.

I guess I'll have to see when and how they actually reveal it, because there must be more to it.

People are going to buy it when the next generation of Pokemon comes out for it.

 

[hemo memo]

I don't remeber evevn once when playing 3DS saying "I wish I could play this on a big TV screen" and I don't to play a console game on handheld.

But atleast we will get our console Pokemon game finally.

I don't think Third party approve of this but at this point they probably don't care.

 

[blu]

Really hope this is a Tegra X2.

The X1 benchmarks (in the Pixel C tablet and Shield "console") slightly better than the iPhone 6S on GPU and multicore CPU tasks, but is sub-iPhone 6 for single-core CPU tasks (and various system/memory benchmarks, but those aren't necessarily SoC related).

Apple make the best custom-uarch ARMv8s on the planet, ergo there's nothing that can beat apple's ARMs at single-core in their power bracket.

 

[Timeaisis]

I think you have it wrong. My guess is that they're going to be held upright and be a seperated pair, wiimote+nunchuck style.

Put in IR because the wii's IR is usable and shouldbe insanely cheap to add in by this point.

I think it will be both. Upright "wiimote + nunchuck" style for single player. Rotation style for simple 2-player. Additional controllers for more complex 2P games.

 

[SnowHawk]

This sounds awful. I was excited for a new console from Nintendo, not a new handheld.

 

[Vanillalite]

A wii u hits around .3 tflops whereas the tegra (as stated in the op) hits .512. So it's stronger and great hardware for a handheld but disappointing for a home console

It's 176 we've been over this IDK how many fucking times on this board.

 

[Mixolydian]

Please include a locate button that makes the controller attachments emit a loud beep for people like me that will lose them.

 

[ZeroX03]

I'm sure Tegras are designed to deliver high resolution graphics and great battery life.

Yes, but they're not miracle machines. Under full load - which you have to expect from a dedicated gaming device - they'll still chew a smartphone battery out in 1-2 hours. You aren't getting 1080p on the go no matter how you slice it.

 

[cyberheater]

Yeah so this is gonna have:
Mario Kart
Pokemon
3D Mario
Zelda
Fire Emblem
SSB
Monster Hunter

On the go, or at home.
Shit me if this won't do well.

Fuck it Nintendo. Don't do this to me. I was out...

 

[ElFly]

I whipped this up pretty quick. My best guess atm. I'm thinking Wii Remote-style rotation.

If you swap the analog / buttons on the left one, both controls become symmetrical, so nintendo only has to fabricate one mold, and people do not have to worry about which one is left and right.

 

[celsowmbr]

Well... Nintendo GO would be nice !

 

[aBarreras]

That's a good point. I doubt Nintendo would allow devs to just have one over the other as that would make half of the system's functionality worthless but at the same time some games might just not work on the go.

Maybe this will be the first Nintendo console without Just Dance. O:

You put it on the dock and play. goddamn

 

[Taker666]

To be fair, even if it's $300, it's still a handheld AND a console, rolled together. That suddenly seems like a better value proposition. They're going to heavily market the fact it does both, according to the rumor.

I think the form factor is key here. If it looks sleek, if it looks like something people would want to lug around with them, then I think it'll catch on quicker.

...not looking forward to the inevitable revisions every couple years, though.

Only if you want a handheld and a console.

Vastly overpriced for the mainstream handheld market...anything over $200 is.

..and those who just want a home console will feel like they are being ripped off having to pay $300 ..when a stripped down box minus the handheld should be $199 or less.

You alienate the handheld market.
You alienate the home console market.

...the only people interested are those who want both devices...which discounts a lot of consumers.

 

[makingmusic476]

I so stoked at the thought of a mainline Pokemon on this thing.

 

[Agent Gibbs]

I don't know if i believe this, its a little too close to this

so right now i think this is similar to the leak before

that said, because its so similar perhaps Nintendo have refined it?
If this is real then nintendo have semi dropped from the home console market, but not quite, its a savvy way for them to combine the home and portable market - imagine being able to play Pokemon portably and on a TV but also do the same with the next GTA, the next COD etc? that could be revolutionary for the games market and could see nintendo take the top spot once again, as those who want a single console can, and those who buy a ps4/xbone AND a portable will also by the NX

I think if the claims of Tegra X2 are as good as they say and this is Xbone (just below Ps4) levels of power so can play ports of console games and portables, then that would be amazing

I'd like the dock to be similar to a laptop dock connected to my TV, and allow a WiiU pro like controller to be purchased as a peripheral if you don't want just to use detachable controllers

What is the technical chances of any dock having an inbuilt hard drive and ram upgrade so its more powerful when connected to a tv? i could see the dock forming a sort of expansion drive where you store/install your library of games, with the actual portable element having space to have a small quantity of the games copied over for portable play or just use the cartridges

if they went this route it would explain carts - install the game to the dock/system and perhaps carry cartridges for portable play

I just hope that the VC games are cross buy or you pay a lump sum (say 10% of each games value) or subscription to get them all back for NX - ideally if you own them you should just have access to them with the nintendo account

I'm still saying from those sketches it seems a little bogus, but i'd be relatively open to this

 

[Jubenhimer]

Yeeaahh... I still don't buy it. First, is Eurogamer even a credible source? Second, if true, then it tells me Nintendo has learned nothing from the Wii U. This sounds like the kind of confusing, needlessly complicated crap that plagued the Wii U, except here it sounds worse because this would be impractical as hell. Whatever the NX is, we'll just have to wait until Fall to truly see what it is, but I don't think this is it.

 

[Danneee]

*Three months later*

Reggie: we present you, the Wii Go.

Aw man, I'm willing to bet cash money that this will be the name.

 

[ShirAhava]

So Nintendo is finally calling it quits running off to the handheld space....Microsoft is running off to the PC space Now only Sony remains...
wow I didn't think it would end quite like this.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

I need to see it, hopefully it feels more comfortable than their regular handhelds and is not just a flat rectangle.