Iwata also said it's not a hybrid.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Iwata also said it's not a hybrid.
Yeah well they won't have 3 SKUs available at launch. Customer confusion alone makes that a nightmare.
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- Disc drives take up a lot of space and they're fragile. Not something you'd want in a portable system
- Cartridge is much faster than cheap Blu-Ray disc drives or Nintendo's proprietary Optical Disc
- Cartridge is not anywhere near as limited by space or cost as it used to be
So in other words, there's so many advantages to using cartridges over optical media in a portable device that I don't even know why people ask the question. You'd think point #1 would be self-evident.
Now that the shared library seems almost 100% likely I'd like to speculate how's the game library could look. Also remember this is the only way to play many AAA games on the go which means if porting is easy it's going to see some kind of support if it's possible get the games run at least somewhat good. With 540p that should be possible.
Let's take a look of first party. I'll just look how many 1st party games 3DS and Wii U have combined. Let's make it simpler and also count those developed by 3rd party and published by Nintendo.
There's about 30 games on Wii U and 50 games on 3DS. And that doesn't include smaller downloadable titles.
So that's over 100 games developed, co-developed and published by Nintendo when counting all the smaller titles.
What about 3rd parties. Well Wii U has no support at all but 3DS has maybe 40-50 good bigger 3rd party games from the likes of Capcom, Atlus, Level 5, Square Enix, Namco Bandai, Sega and so on.
And then there's indie games. Can't throw number but the support should be plenty on NX if porting is easy because once again it would be the only way to play many of those games on the go.
I wouldn't count on Western 3rd party content too much but like I said there will be some because of the handheld factor. Let's say at least 5 AAA games but less than 10 in a year.
3DS*s and Wii U's combined lifespan is about 9 years. So let's say about 10 Nintendo released/published titles per year though some of those are smaller games a la Nes Remix. Then about 5-10 games made by Japanese 3rd party and 5-10 games made my Western 3rd party. Plus all the indies.
Would sound about right. Well I'm probably overestimating the numbers because modern games cost more and take more time to make.
Let's take a look of first party. I'll just look how many 1st party games 3DS and Wii U have combined. Let's make it simpler and also count those developed by 3rd party and published by Nintendo.
There's about 30 games on Wii U and 50 games on 3DS. And that doesn't include smaller downloadable titles.
So that's over 100 games developed, co-developed and published by Nintendo when counting all the smaller titles.
What about 3rd parties. Well Wii U has no support at all but 3DS has maybe 40-50 good bigger 3rd party games from the likes of Capcom, Atlus, Level 5, Square Enix, Namco Bandai, Sega and so on.
And then there's indie games. Can't throw number but the support should be plenty on NX if porting is easy because once again it would be the only way to play many of those games on the go.
I wouldn't count on Western 3rd party content too much but like I said there will be some because of the handheld factor. Let's say at least 5 AAA games but less than 10 in a year.
3DS*s and Wii U's combined lifespan is about 9 years. So let's say about 10 Nintendo released/published titles per year though some of those are smaller games a la Nes Remix. Then about 5-10 games made by Japanese 3rd party and 5-10 games made my Western 3rd party. Plus all the indies.
Would sound about right. Well I'm probably overestimating the numbers because modern games cost more and take more time to make.
At launch, NX comes with splatoon, smash, mario maker, zelda and monster hunter 5. Overkill. I love it.
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And getting games to people with shitty internet speed, limited datacaps etc.
And uses less energy than some minidisc format that has to spin.
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If Nintendo designs this thing right, they'll have a bonafide winner on their hands.
A unified Nintendo system. Finally.
A unified Nintendo system. Finally.
Simbabbad
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I don't think I've bought one single Nintendo game this generation that costs 60 bucks.
Doug Heffernan
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Cartridges... in 2016.
This sounds awful.
This sounds awful.
Cartilage?
Cartridges
-Hardware lacks moving parts (smaller, durability)
-Smaller size too
-Can be up to 2-4 times the size if discs
-No forced installations
-You can save data on them
See above.
Exactly. It gets really tiring especially when it's followed by "Nintendo is dead", which doesn't help them at all.
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I agree to your first part, I think we are saying the same thing. But to call me archaic when that's how tech industries work is seriously insulting. Nvidia trumped AMD in the past, and it took AMD a long wise to finally make a product that people wanted. And it something that does compete price/performance wise with the other company.
So why can't Nintendo take their heads out of their ass make the company changes that other companies make over time when they fuck up, and make a splash in the console ring?
How is capitalizing on a failing brand such as Xbox being archaic? If anything chasing the mobile rush is something that has shown it's very short lived with 18% stock decline they had.
Building a long lasting audience is what they should be doing not chasing casual audiences who are not the same repeaters as core gamers. So they are making a device essentially that is competing in two/three different facets?
Mobile/Apple devices, home consoles, dedicated handhelds.
I guess if they want to just be like wii and sell the device and in a few years forget about meaningful long lasting software and services.
Mixolydian
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Cartilage will add extra support to the system and help give it shape.
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Would you care to explain why?
Bet ya can't.
Humor me, though. Explain to me how tiny fast cartridges aren't preferable to slow discs requiring large disc drives on a portable system. I'd love to hear your rationale*
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but I'm sure I won't
Yea that whole pull this spring controller is very annoying I have the phonepad and its very frustrating to put on and take off sometimes you might almost cut your fingers off lol.
I think the best bet is attachable and detachable controllers on a tablet form but I hope its not huge so I can take it on the go.
I think the best bet is attachable and detachable controllers on a tablet form but I hope its not huge so I can take it on the go.
TheGreyHulk
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It'll actually perform better. Chips are better than discs. No moving parts, less power usage, smaller, much much faster data speeds.
"Cartridges" make sense. These will basically just be SD card like games. NAND chips are cheap to produce now and available in high capacities.
SD cards, in 2016, sounds awful. Let's go back to mini-discs.
Few claimed that the Surface tablet was a halfassed laptop. The Surface Pro was always shown as a souped up tablet. The claim that it's a half assed tablet and a half assed laptop is more associated with the Surface book.
Physical media 2016... awful more like. But what is so bad about cartridges vs. discs? Not spefically aimed at you since I have seen the same sentiment many times on this thread.
NinjaCoachZ
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If we're talking about the "brothers" comment, I almost feel like that was just a hypothetical comment and wasn't necessarily an indication of what NX would be. Hell, I could even say he said it to throw people off about what it is. It's not like he was going to say what their new system was right then and there.
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Didn't the Atari have cartridges? And that was in the 70s. Check mate.
Colonel Mustard
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It's the connective tissue between bones. Flexible, yet strong. Pretty important stuff.
I can understand no Wii U backwards compatibility. But can it have 3DS compatibility at least? I guess it depends on the physical size of the cartridges.
As someone who is getting to the point where he just plugs everything into and around his monitor (PC, various USB chargers, Chromecast) then a console that I can pick up and move to another point in the house to stretch my legs has me interested. It feels like a natural step from the Wii U's evolution in couch gaming.
As someone who is getting to the point where he just plugs everything into and around his monitor (PC, various USB chargers, Chromecast) then a console that I can pick up and move to another point in the house to stretch my legs has me interested. It feels like a natural step from the Wii U's evolution in couch gaming.
Scrolling through this thread, it seems like people hearing "cartridge" are thinking of Super Nintendo cartridges or something. It's really bizarre. "Cartridges in 2016, lololol" As opposed to a mini disk? I don't understand what's in people's heads.
It's sounds like Wii U is also gonna be Nintendo's last console.
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I'd like to reiterate myself in this regard while this thread is in rampant speculation mode.
This...
ALLseeingEYE
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No, I don't think so. Especially if this is marketed as more of a Tablet.
To be completely honest, I think it's brilliant. Especially if the specs are somewhere between a WiiU and an Xbox One, that is a very powerful handheld, and a quality tablet. I just hope Nintendo opens this thing right up to developers, if it can replace a traditional tablet, I'm all in, especially if they have multi-touch support, and perhaps even quality stylus support.
It feels like this design could do all of these very well:
- Handheld
- Tablet
- Portable VR system with motion controls
- A Console
- A WiiU
- A Wii
I would love to also see Nintendo release more configurations for this down the line. Like, why not release a smaller one to target young kids or the traditional DS market? or even release a more powerful version down the line for the hardcore crowd?
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See, this is what ya'll dont understand. The same teams that made all the Pokemon games are gonna keep making Pokemon on the NX. Gamefreak is barely a 100 employees cranking these games out every couple of years.
The next "HD Pokemon" is gonna look a lot like this.. It will not look like the Witcher or Ni Ni Kuni or whatever fantasy "Mainline Console Pokemon" ya'll dreamed of
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Wuold be the size of a Vita when buttons out, smaller when slided in i guess.
Slided in where? Behind the screen? Then where is the actual board?
Yea, like somebody else said, the WIiU pro controllers prob works with this out the box, plus they will make NX pro controllers, no way they force you to use the separate parts for console gaming, it wont work for a lot of games.
It stops the bones in your joints from rubbing together and causing damage.
If you mean "what's the point behind cartridges", then they are physically smaller, faster, infinitely more durable and don't require a huge, battery-sapping optical drive to operate.
I'm liking everything that I'm hearing. The only negative points I see is not full 3rd party support, but just thinking of the 3DS+Wii U size of catalogues into one system and it's probably enough for me. I could always buy another console or gaming PC if I need those 3rd parties.
And I really don't give a damn about all this graphic nonsense, I can play old NES/SNES games nowadays and enjoy them anyway, so I don't think I will have any problem with not Scorpio/Neo graphics. I'll take the shorter dev cycles and probably cheaper prices instead.
And I really don't give a damn about all this graphic nonsense, I can play old NES/SNES games nowadays and enjoy them anyway, so I don't think I will have any problem with not Scorpio/Neo graphics. I'll take the shorter dev cycles and probably cheaper prices instead.
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With this talk about cartridges/cards, feel free to take a look at Nintendo files patent application for stationary game console without optical disk again. Can perhaps be used for comparisons, mock-ups.
Even more than that, if they're using Aarch64 and Vulkan they would be set up for perpetual BC with the ability to switch SoC vendors almost at will (so long as the performance boost of the new SoC overcomes the loss from running code optimised for the old architecture).
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Tomatoes on a sandwich? In 2016? Fuck that.
KidGalactus
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Was about to post about how the rumor doesn't add up, when considering Nintendo's statements, but if this is the case... It does kind of line up.
Portable screen will be your phone/tablet screen
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Wuold be the size of a Vita when buttons out, smaller when slided in i guess.
That looks sexy to be honest. I wonder if it has detachable controls could you rotate the screen to make the ultimate shump handheld?
cripterion
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Well, one less console to buy then. Have no interest whatsoever with this.
Still might be interesting for the kids...
Still might be interesting for the kids...
240p isn't HD. But if you make sun and moon scale to 720p it would look as a completely different game.
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Blu-ray in a portable device sounds great though
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People laughing at the prospect of using cartridges on a system like this frankly don't know shit
Awesome! Just tinkered with a New 3DS to recreate it as that's what I was sort of envisioning too:
I hope we have a proper analog stick instead of the 3DS one.
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