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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept

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Sora the Cat

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Sendou said:
Are there any rumours of NX [insert anything here] and the answer is yes. If you read the article though they insist that it has a Nintendo custom build OS.
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Well yeah, I thought there could be a strong rumour flying around about that (besides what the article mention), sorry I guess.
 
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OrbitalBeard

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Vanillalite said:
The NX needs to sell units. There are way more people interested in the handheld portion if we go by the 3ds vs Wii U sales. Selling only the hybrid bundle would be actively gimping sales.

I can see them going with 1 SKU at launch, but beyond that they'd be leaving money on the table only selling the more expensive bundle hybrid SKU.
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Well, I mean, they'll probably offer a handheld only SKU eventually for the sole reason that the life of the 3DS is almost over.
 
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Kyzer

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I think the console will be sold separately and basically what were seeing here is that the new console is a slightly powered up Wii U with no gamepad and that it will interface perfectly with their new handheld counterpart which is capable of being a pure tablet by removing the controller ears.
 
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alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
I was never interested in a Nintendo home console, so I guess it's worth a shot. I guess they're just throwing darts at a wall at this point. Knowing Nintendo, I can't wait to see how terrible the screen looks.
 
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Asd202

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DieH@rd said:
lol no

Ever since 7th gen, OS exploits are reason for piracy. If/when NX gets hacked enough, pirated games will be launched from on-board storage. [and if NX does not have onboard storage, then fuck it].
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It has to have something for patches and digital downloads.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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dmaul1114 said:
That's the real key here. When you're a company that has niche market appeal, albeit a very large niche, you can't split that market in two like they have been.

It's great when you hit it by with both like the Wii and DS. But that's a rare event. GameCube/GBA and Wii U 3DS scenarios are much more likely.

If this succeeds they they solve that problem and can sell ALL their games and accompany DLC and Amiibo to console fans, portable fans and those who like both.
They could bump up attach rates and revenue dramatically if it sells even moderately well.

I mean Splatoon has sold what, 3 million to an I nstall base of 13ish million? Imagine what it could sell if it had came out on a hybrid device with say a 65ish million install base (guesstimating what we'd get combining 3DS only Wii U only and owning both together).

That's what Nintendo is hoping to achieve.
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Yup. Even if it doesn't sell as many units, say it settles somewhere in th 20-30 million core, loyal Nintendo fans + kids audience, they will have still streamlined their game development process heavily while at the same time exploring and investing in other avenues to monotize and exploit their warchest of IPs.

I said in a thread a few weeks back that people need to prepare for the possibility in the very near future where traditional games are not Nintendo's sole primary source of revenue:
 
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Inglorious_ Man

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People are saying that since the NX will not be as powerful as the Xbone and PS4 that it will not have 3rd party support. I disagree with this because the NX is both a home console and portable system and if you look at the 3ds it has good 3rd party support.

Think about why would Square Enix announce Dragon Quest 10 and 11 for the NX. They are probably looking at like the 3ds as a handheld but with the graphical capabilities equal to or better than the Wii U. There are many games that come out on both PS4 and Vita and have cross save. For example World of Final Fantasy is coming to both Vita and PS4, that game looks fantastic, I would not be surprised if there is a NX version of the game. NX is taking it to another level and having a hybrid console. There will probably be a lot of indie support for the NX as well.

I think that there will strong 3rd party support from Japanese developers. I dont think AAA western developed games will be on the NX, but that is ok. I am excited to see more from the NX
 
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LaneDS

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Is the idea that the base station will be something that enhances the capabilities of the handheld, to get a more "console like" experience? Or is the current thinking that it'll just be more of a dock with HDMI out and charging capabilities?

I'm excited either way. I know there are some key areas they'll have to cut back on to make this work, but in general it sounds like a smart way forward for the company instead of continuing to compete against Sony and MS only to lose out for a second generation in a row.
 
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Fredrik

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So it's basically a handheld console with hdmi out and detachable wireless controllers? Not a fan of this idea. Sounds more like the successor to 3DS than WiiU. And where's the Nintendo twist/uniqueness?
 
Baleoce

Baleoce

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VendettaRed07 said:
I'm sticking to my "I don't believe a word out of anyone's mouth other than Nintendo" on this thing. NX has been rumored to be about 1000 different concepts at this point. It's just getting ridiculous.
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Even if it does seem credible on the surface, I think I'm going to adopt this mentality as well. If not only for the fact that this report raises far more questions than it answers. May as well just wait for those answers.
 
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Neiteio

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MMaRsu said:
Haha no thanks. I never game on the go.

I doubt casuals will eat this up too.
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What's great for people like you, is you can play this purely on the TV, and enjoy Nintendo's largest consolidated library of games ever, since 100% of their development effort will now be on this one system instead of split across two, with redundancies eliminated (i.e. one Mario Kart instead of two) for an even greater variety.

And if you ever go on a trip, visit the in-laws, stay at a hotel, etc, it'll be nice to have this plug-and-play system. :)
 
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Green Mamba

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This basically sounds like a handheld masquerading as a console instead of an actual console. I'm sure ports like Zelda will be fine but as soon as I hear about games that should be designed as console only titles being designed and hampered with handheld viewing and play style considerations I'm out.
 
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AcademicSaucer

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thomasmahler said:
The revolutionary thing here isn't the hardware. It's the fact that Nintendo is uniting their handheld / console studios into one thing. Not having enough appealing software was the main reason why the 3DS didn't take off for 2 years and it's still the main reason why the WiiU hasn't ever taken off. The question still remains whether Nintendo will be productive enough to support the platform themselves (First Party) with enough quality titles, since almost nobody will make games for their device unless Nintendo sells a shit ton of these units.
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If you see their production on 3DS and Wii U combined, is possible they could do that on the NX and be fine, I dont think big western 3rd party publishers will support the thing either way , they will have to rely on japanese publishers .
 
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Kyzer

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It's not a hybrid it's basically a handheld, thats the bombshell, with built in gameboy player that can be a tabletand, has TV out, and can also be a Wii U gamepad -like controller for their new console....

Which will be a separate thing "dock" whatever, it will basically be a Wii U with no gamepad
 
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Vanillalite

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720p on the handheld is fine. I do think going 540p is low though, but I've already done this argument in previous NX threads.
 
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Asd202

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Inglorious_ Man said:
People are saying that since the NX will not be as powerful as the Xbone and PS4 that it will not have 3rd party support. I disagree with this because the NX is both a home console and portable system and if you look at the 3ds it has good 3rd party support.

Think about why would Square Enix announce Dragon Quest 10 and 11 for the NX. They are probably looking at like the 3ds as a handheld but with the graphical capabilities equal to or better than the Wii U. There are many games that come out on both PS4 and Vita and have cross save. For example World of Final Fantasy is coming to both Vita and PS4, that game looks fantastic, I would not be surprised if there is a NX version of the game. NX is taking it to another level and having a hybrid console. There will probably be a lot of indie support for the NX as well.

I think that there will strong 3rd party support from Japanese developers. I dont think AAA western developed games will be on the NX, but that is ok. I am excited to see more from the NX
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When people say 3rd party support they mean Western 3rd parties though because that's what Nintendo doesn't have for generations now. Handheld support will carry over where else would they go? Also I wouldn't be so sure of Japanese support of games targeting PS4.
 
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maxcriden

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OrbitalBeard said:
Yeah, he must have misunderstood me. I don't think a more powerful, standalone console is happening. An additional SKU could only include the handheld component, for example. This could be useful for families who want multiple devices, but don't need more than one docking station. Or for consumers who just want a portable console.
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We're in total agreement as usual. :)
 
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Neiteio

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Green Mamba said:
This basically sounds like a handheld masquerading as a console instead of an actual console. I'm sure ports like Zelda will be fine but as soon as I hear about games that should be designed as console only titles being designed and hampered with handheld viewing and play style considerations I'm out.
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WiiU games weren't hampered by also being playable on the GamePad screen, so I doubt it'll be an issue here
 
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Ozium

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this news is just gross.

nintendo has finally done it and went ahead and killed their business... say what you will about the wii u but at least it was a bona fide console and not some next gen n-gage

thank god they are releasing breath of the wild on the wii u

Neiteio said:
WiiU games weren't hampered by also being playable on the GamePad screen, so I doubt it'll be an issue here
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because the wii u was a home console.. why were all the new handheld games of their franchises smaller, different experiences? because it was a portable... and now? games will be designed as if they are all portable
 
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Peterc

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EuropeOG said:
Me neither, but I still buy handhelds.
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Me too, but just i can play the games on it that i can't get on console.

Think about 3ds vs vita. They better can make 2 seperate systems that can play both games and for the home console using something unique for it.

Don't get why Emily said it sound expensive and in what form?
- Handheld isn't that expensive as console.
- It's just a handheld in form
 
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psyfi

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MMaRsu said:
Haha no thanks. I never game on the go.

I doubt casuals will eat this up too.
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It being portable doesn't mean you need to take it out of your house. I love handhelds and the Wii U for playing in bed, curled up on my couch, etc. I can't remember the last time my 3DS or Vita left my house.
 
Mihos

Mihos

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Inglorious_ Man said:
People are saying that since the NX will not be as powerful as the Xbone and PS4 that it will not have 3rd party support. I disagree with this because the NX is both a home console and portable system and if you look at the 3ds it has good 3rd party support.

Think about why would Square Enix announce Dragon Quest 10 and 11 for the NX. They are probably looking at like the 3ds as a handheld but with the graphical capabilities equal to or better than the Wii U. There are many games that come out on both PS4 and Vita and have cross save. For example World of Final Fantasy is coming to both Vita and PS4, that game looks fantastic, I would not be surprised if there is a NX version of the game. NX is taking it to another level and having a hybrid console. There will probably be a lot of indie support for the NX as well.

I think that there will strong 3rd party support from Japanese developers. I dont think AAA western developed games will be on the NX, but that is ok. I am excited to see more from the NX
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The 3rd party support problem comes more from the non-standard controls, system architecture, and install base of the target system. It has very little to do with raw power... more of a pain in the ass to development vs potential sales numbers. The more gimmicky the concept, the more work for 3rd party to work around it.
 
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Neiteio

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Ozium said:
this news is just gross.

nintendo has finally done it and went ahead and killed their business... say what you will about the wii u but at least it was a bona fide console and not some next gen n-gage

thank god they are releasing breath of the wild on the wii u
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This sounds like a GamePad that is more powerful than the WiiU, but can actually go with you anywhere (instead of being tethered to your living room), and it can still plug into a TV and offer console gameplay and performance better than the WiiU

Not sure I see your concern here
 
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orioto

Good Art™
Ozium said:
this news is just gross.

nintendo has finally done it and went ahead and killed their business... say what you will about the wii u but at least it was a bona fide console and not some next gen n-gage

thank god they are releasing breath of the wild on the wii u
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Cause playing that Zelda on a portable will be comparable to candy crush or angry bird right.

Lol people...
 
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Neoxon

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Of course shit goes down while I was taking a nap. Either way, I decided to let the idea sink in my head & write down every single thought I may have. Depending on how fast this thread grows, I may do another list later if more potential scenarios pop up in my head. So, here goes...

Pros
  • Obviously the idea that you can take your NX on the go then dock it later.
  • Nintendo can focus on just one platform for all of their games. Looks like Game Freak has to move on to console Pokémon games.....kinda.
  • Nintendo's use of cartridges pretty much ensures that there will be minimal load times & next to no installs.
  • The console dock & the SCD have the potential to boost the NX's power when at home.
  • Nintendo could have the potential to release an overclocked home console-only version later down the road that plays the same games (just with better performance).
  • At least for at-home use, Nintendo's kinda bringing back the split-controller lay-out introduced by the Wii Remote & Nunchuck. This would be nice if you're just laid out on the couch. Hopefully both controller halves have gyro controls & maybe an IR blaster (for Splatoon use).
  • If this thing has a GPS & a back-facing camera on it, you could easily put Pokémon GO on this thing. Likewise, all of Nintendo's mobile games could carry over to the NX.
Cons/Concerns
  • Obviously, it's weaker than even the Xbox One & not a big step up from the Wii U, but I'm hoping that, as mentioned in the pros, the console dock &/or the SCD can fix that (since battery life won't be an issue).
  • This doesn't really line up with what the insiders of GAF have mentioned (the NX having no issue running PS4/XB1 games, its CPU actually being above the next-gen twins, etc.). Would this mean that the 2017 Sonic game would have a dedicated NX version like the 3DS had his own version of Generations, & would this mean that NX would get the 3DS version of Dragon Quest XI? But again, if the dock can boost the NX's power to at least XB1 levels, then this would be a non-issue.
  • This also conflicts with what we've heard from Nintendo, specifically Iwata before his death. Now granted, perhaps Kimishima employed these changes after Iwata's unfortunate death, but I doubt that he could change the concept of the NX so drastically between Iwata's passing & now. Then again, Iwata could have lied from the beginning.
  • This may be seen as Nintendo bowing out of the console market.
  • Local multiplayer might get a bit awkward. If this thing is priced at around $200-300, having each person in the house getting an NX would be a bit costly. One would hope that you can get those detachable controllers separately to enable couch multiplayer without it costing you an arm & a leg.
  • If this is the only NX SKU, one would hope that the screen would at least be at 720p. But then again, Matt did hint at something lower than 720p (possibly 540p). Hopefully the console dock &/or the SCD can up the native resolution if the handheld's screen turns out to be around 540p.
  • The potential for touchscreen inputs would end up being limited thanks to the NX needing to be docked for at-home use. Then again, if the controller parts have IR blasters (or at least one of them), that could mimic a touchscreen, but it would still limit the potential for DS Virtual Console games to carry over.
  • I fear for the possibility that this may not have an ethernet adapter. Granted, it's not unusual for Nintendo, but it would be a shame for this feature to be missing three times in a row (console dock pls).
  • Also, this system's potential as a competitive Smash machine would also be hampered by the possibility of no true wired controller, or at least support of the GameCube Adapter. Granted, there's still the Wii U version, but then there's the concern of competitive players getting screwed over if the NX version has extra characters or stages (again, console dock pls).
Either way, if this turns out to be true, I look forward to Nintendo's official unveiling of the NX. Hopefully it'll shed some light on the new system.
 
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broncobuster

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From what I gather, is there any reason there can't be a sku that forgoes the screen entirely? Ostensibly the Vita TV approach.

Is touch screen even a factor if you can play it on TV?
 
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