How? The Tegra is very weak. Look at how it runs MGS: Rising. It can't even match the X360.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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How? The Tegra is very weak. Look at how it runs MGS: Rising. It can't even match the X360.
Papacheeks
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Is that because they can't or they don't want to hurt their pride and make full region company changes like the rest of the industry did?
OB, unless I misunderstood, you weren't saying an actual out and out console was one of these SKUs you saw as a possibility, right? Unless I misunderstood Rob, I think he was under the impression you were saying a full on non-hybrid console version was a possibility in your mind. (personally, I think if this is real, and I believe it is, there's no point to making a standalone console additionally.)
The old Matt leak talked about a 540p screen.
Obliterator
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If its Tegra it will be above Wii U in power but weaker than Xbone (likely). In other words it should be quite nice / beefy when looked at as a handheld but grossly under powered when looked at as a home console.
That's why I kinda think Nintendo really just view this as a portable system with the added "bonus" of being able to hook it up to your TV
finalflame
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A flop is a flop, it doesn't matter.
Sho_Nuff82
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Well that's great for a handheld, especially with the optional tablet form. But this pretty much means that Nintendo has left the home console space. This is about as much a replacement for your PS4/One/HTPC as a Vita is.
Whats wrong with 720p?
You are excited about Nx for tournaments because you don't needs TVs, so that means you are planning on crowding around the handhelds screen ? Do people do that on Wii U? Also, we don't know if it will support off screen console mode , how many controllers it will support either
BluePikmin11
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After thinking, I think the NX hybrid could be something that could push the game industry forward due to its accessibility.
I feel like that accessibility could influence Sony and Microsoft to do something similarly.
I feel like that accessibility could influence Sony and Microsoft to do something similarly.
paradox121
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Yeah this is the thing that has got me excited. Particularly if it just feels good to click together.
Plus it massively opens up future control opportunities. Two control sticks on one side? All buttons? A PS4 style touchpad? They could basically adapt to whatever becomes the new zeitgeist.
I have to imagine it's also a good thing for costs. Being able to sell just the 'tablet' or just the control bits separately as well as whatever the TV out thing is.
And imagine a WarioWare on this thing!
Zelda ports are also 1080p.
Turnbl
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Will post a few thoughts before devouring the GAF hivemind.
This option makes a lot of sense, keeps costs down, and avoids a probably by now unwinnable war with Sony/Microsoft in the tech war.
But with Nintendo, it's always the games and innovation that's the separator.
Surely it has to be at least as powerful as the Wii U or immediately the living room proposition will not make sense. Also if they can finally get a single unified 'buy once' library then nostalgic purchases will help immeasurably.
The split controller sounds relatively clunky. The size of the device will be intriguing. Clearly a controller the height of the Wii controller each side wouldn't be 'portable'. Maybe it's one chopped in half each side and plugs into each other for the living room? Maybe it's a controller we haven't quite seen before.
Also the tech in the device will be interesting. I wonder if Pokemon GO is an indicator of direction - cameras, gyro, maybe even gps for a new augmented world. Glasses or VR option?
In summary, being a new dad and needing to grab any gaming time on the go (even between sofas), and if they don't horribly mess up, then I'm in.
This option makes a lot of sense, keeps costs down, and avoids a probably by now unwinnable war with Sony/Microsoft in the tech war.
But with Nintendo, it's always the games and innovation that's the separator.
Surely it has to be at least as powerful as the Wii U or immediately the living room proposition will not make sense. Also if they can finally get a single unified 'buy once' library then nostalgic purchases will help immeasurably.
The split controller sounds relatively clunky. The size of the device will be intriguing. Clearly a controller the height of the Wii controller each side wouldn't be 'portable'. Maybe it's one chopped in half each side and plugs into each other for the living room? Maybe it's a controller we haven't quite seen before.
Also the tech in the device will be interesting. I wonder if Pokemon GO is an indicator of direction - cameras, gyro, maybe even gps for a new augmented world. Glasses or VR option?
In summary, being a new dad and needing to grab any gaming time on the go (even between sofas), and if they don't horribly mess up, then I'm in.
For what it's worth, I didn't get a 3DS.
And never came close tbh. Despite it being like 80 bucks now.
(If PM and M&L were better or FFTA3 existed I would've caved instantly >_>)
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Why would that be funny???
It's going to be millions of times better than the 3DS and many people actually enjoy games on that.
I don't want the system to be 500$.
Handyandy58
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So this tablet is going to play Zelda better than a Wii U?
Theanine3D
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If you meant Nintendo-made, technically that's not true. Wind Waker HD also ran at 1080p, though at 30 fps unlike Smash. But your point still stands - Wii U was a primarily 720p console.
No. It says in the article there were rumors, but according to Eurogamer's sources it's going to be something created by Nintendo themselves.
Truth to be told, I didn't see this coming. I was 100% in the console and handheld as 2 releases camp.
I'm still not 100% sure this is true, because I don't see Nintendo only selling one piece of dedicated gaming hardware from here on out, even with iterations...
They have to sell me on this. Hard. If they manage to release the OS and the VC this time, it may be enough to get me on board, but I can't imagine this turning out good. Too many movable parts that may break fast, 2 controllers on 1 device that will most likely have an unpleasant form factor (like the Wiimote sideways- hated to have to play that way), local 4 player MP will most likely become an afterthought which is one of the main reasons, why I play Nintendo games...
We'll see. September is not too far away.
I'm still not 100% sure this is true, because I don't see Nintendo only selling one piece of dedicated gaming hardware from here on out, even with iterations...
They have to sell me on this. Hard. If they manage to release the OS and the VC this time, it may be enough to get me on board, but I can't imagine this turning out good. Too many movable parts that may break fast, 2 controllers on 1 device that will most likely have an unpleasant form factor (like the Wiimote sideways- hated to have to play that way), local 4 player MP will most likely become an afterthought which is one of the main reasons, why I play Nintendo games...
We'll see. September is not too far away.
Ninja Scooter
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Because they are pivoting their business away from a sector where they have had minimal success over the last 20 years?
Hurt their pride? At this point what are you even talking about?
That was a poor port. The Tegra X1 is a 512GFlop GPU with relatively a modern CPU. It's easily faster than a wii u which can only do 176GFlops and is a much older architecture. This could also be using a hypothetical tegra x2 with a much more efficient pascal gpu and a better cpu.
NinjaCoachZ
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Copypasting this because it was an edit I made a couple pages ago.
Recent rumours broken by Eurogamer
- Independently confirmed the PS4K is real, dropped the "Neo" name for the first time, and provided a megaton of details surrounding it
- Prey 2 and Skyrim remaster to be revealed at E3
- Mother 3 is indeed being released in the west (yet to be proven, but they reported it)
Bear in mind Kotaku backed this up too. Some examples of stories they broke:
- PS4 "2.5"'s existence
- FFVersus XIII cancelled and turned into FFXV
- Fallout 4
- Destiny BTS drama
etc. etc. etc.
ArtHands
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720p is actually pretty good.
Way too many unanswered questions to fully judge this, but it sounds like a powerful portable system that should have a great library that you can plug into a TV.
Eurogamer isn't even European anymore after Brexit
Eurogamer isn't even European anymore after Brexit
I think the detachable controllers are separate. There will be regular ones also, and presumably one packed in (maybe no pack-in if the detachables end up being full size, but Nintendo does love to offer multiple controller options so I expect they'll do so this time also).
Yoshi
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I would say that it goes from handheld with HDMI output to hybrid, if it offers local multiplayer with one device and several controllers.
OrbitalBeard
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Yeah, he must have misunderstood me. I don't think a more powerful, standalone console is happening. An additional SKU could only include the handheld component, for example. This could be useful for families who want multiple devices, but don't need more than one docking station. Or for consumers who just want a portable console.
Eurogamer themselves brought this up in the article, because they said that the devkits had fans in them, and clearly no handheld is going to have a fan in it. They speculated that the devkits could have X1s overclocked to X2 specs.
Sho_Nuff82
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My spring 2016 phone is 4k.
What about the possibility that the handheld device could actually have a second GPU on board(or just one, running in a significantly 'reduced state' while mobile), completely offline unless in docked mode? That would solve any latency issues involved it housing extra CPU/GPU in the docking station, provide admirable processing power in console mode, while still having decent battery life in mobile mode.
It may explain why Nintendo have been researching similar architecture for console and mobile, even though it is now revealed that - in all likelihood - it's just one hybrid device.
It may explain why Nintendo have been researching similar architecture for console and mobile, even though it is now revealed that - in all likelihood - it's just one hybrid device.
Randomizer
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These things take years of planing and the spec contracts are usually acquired a year or two before the final release. I doubt they have really changed much from their initial vision.
The tread topic says Tv out...
LordRaptor
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What are the big changes made by whats left of the dedicated gaming hardware industry?
The Western third parties are exactly the same as they always have been. they've basically forced their methods to be the only viable ones left, by upping production costs and squeezing out the midtier.
The Japanese third parties changed all right - they said "fuck this, we out".
Food for thought.
Last year, Wall Street Journal reported that NX will be packaged with at least one portable device that you can take anywhere. The Eurogamer report backs up Wall Street Journal's report. I don't believe WSJ would publish lies.
SemiAccurate also believes that NX is using Nvidia chips.
5-10 years ago, yeah. LOL!!!
Kingpin Rogers
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Sounds like it'll be a gimped console for people like me who have no interest in gaming on the go. How disappointing.
The console will have the GPU. People arent going to pay for a dormant gpu in their handheld
It will just use their Wii U streaming tech and stream the image to the handheld instead of vice versa
SuperLeviathan
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They invented the d-pad, and every console or handheld of their's has had one. It would break tradition in a major way for the NX to not have it
Forgive me if my sarcasm meter is off here, but you know that your phone doesn't game in 4k, right?
For actually playing 3d games in a portable fashion, yeah it is good.
uncredited male
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I wonder what the ambassador rewards will be.
Vanillalite
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The NX needs to sell units. There are way more people interested in the handheld portion if we go by the 3ds vs Wii U sales. Selling only the hybrid bundle would be actively gimping sales.
I can see them going with 1 SKU at launch, but beyond that they'd be leaving money on the table only selling the more expensive bundle hybrid SKU.
Chezzymann
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Nope, its still good. Smartphones with 1440p screens are ridiculous overkill unless they're like, 7 inches
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Deleted member 752119
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That's the real key here. When you're a company that has niche market appeal, albeit a very large niche, you can't split that market in two like they have been.
It's great when you hit it by with both like the Wii and DS. But that's a rare event. GameCube/GBA and Wii U 3DS scenarios are much more likely.
If this succeeds they they solve that problem and can sell ALL their games and accompany DLC and Amiibo to console fans, portable fans and those who like both.
They could bump up attach rates and revenue dramatically if it sells even moderately well.
I mean Splatoon has sold what, 3 million to an I nstall base of 13ish million? Imagine what it could sell if it had came out on a hybrid device with say a 65ish million install base (guesstimating what we'd get combining 3DS only Wii U only and owning both together).
That's what Nintendo is hoping to achieve.
ArchedThunder
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PS4 and Xbone can't even do 4K gaming and you want a handheld to do so?
How many games can you run at 4K on your phone?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Your phone doesn't include the component costs of those buttons, circuits for the controllers, cartridge slot and shits though.
Even PS4 and Xbone doesnt have 4k gaming.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Close your eyes.
lol no
Ever since 7th gen, OS exploits are reason for piracy. If/when NX gets hacked enough, pirated games will be launched from on-board storage. [and if NX does not have onboard storage, then fuck it].
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