pinkurocket
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So it's more like a handheld considering all technology is designed around it being able to be a portable device. I'm kind of okay with that, but at the same time I had hoped for a more graphically capable Nintendo home console.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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There isn't a X2 chip announced. The next chip they are making is called Parker. It is a 4 TFlops chip at the minimum.
The X1 chip can run at 1 Tplop and they say the chip in NX Devkit is overclocked.
Maybe NX don't use a Parker, but a exclusive version of X1 that can run above the 1 Tplop found in the market, what will make the NX a portable Xbox one.
Night Angel
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Not a fucking chance.
Thanks. I think with all the sources etc. people talk about, that people just misunderstood what you meant by "heard."
Rest in peace Neoxon.
LiveFromKyoto
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It's gotta be $249, imo. The only way this thing can win over the skeptics and really work for them is if they can get it down to impulse-purchase price as soon as possible. They can't afford to have their handheld that expensive for very long, if their chief market is children and young families.
Jonneh3003
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He's right, it got announced for PS4, 3DS and NX when it was unveiled last year.
Yeh, they really made the most of the WiiU's features...
nckillthegrimace
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Uh, what? It was the first game announced for the system.
LiveFromKyoto
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It'll sell out at launch with Zelda. It's just a question of whether they can make it through their first year at that price.
That would be a mistake.
ShockingAlberto
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Now all we need is Marvel to put X-Men into a game and for female Corrin to be on a Smash poster and Neoxon will officially be wrong about everything.
purseowner
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Much as I'm satisfied with the system leaked today, I don't think 10k and SMD are being too ridiculous here. Separate job listings for marketing of Console and Handheld and a previous hinting of multiple systems by Iwata (although perhaps mistranslated) makes me think this isn't everything.
How NX can be weaker than X360 if NX power is between Wii U and Xbone?
SinCityAssassin
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Dragon Quest XI was announced for PS4, NX, and 3DS, but because the NX was only recently announced months beforehand Square Enix had to retract the statement and say "WE MEANT WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT."
Askherserenity
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I think a lot of people here are just freaked out about the term "handheld".
They think we'll just be getting 3DS like experiences from now on and no more console titles from Nintendo.
But this is the whole point of the system. Nintendo wants to bridge that gap.
You'll be able to play console like experiences wherever you want. You can also just dock the thing and just use it as a home console and just pick it up to play in bed sometimes.
If Nintendo actually does this right, this should be pretty damn great.
They think we'll just be getting 3DS like experiences from now on and no more console titles from Nintendo.
But this is the whole point of the system. Nintendo wants to bridge that gap.
You'll be able to play console like experiences wherever you want. You can also just dock the thing and just use it as a home console and just pick it up to play in bed sometimes.
If Nintendo actually does this right, this should be pretty damn great.
SolarMystic
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This sounds awesome to me. Perhaps since I still play my 3ds and Vita.
Either way, I am very curious to see what Nintendo comes up with. I hope it really takes off.
Either way, I am very curious to see what Nintendo comes up with. I hope it really takes off.
davidwhangchoi
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i'm so getting this for a new real metroid game.
dickroach
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Nintendo patent's a lot of shit
I actually am wondering about this as well...
DrROBschiz
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I see it going for 199 unless the docked mode has some serious punch
Or maybe 10k and SMD are right and this is just the Handheld with TV out support
that would be insane but if true that would mean there would be announcing 2 SKUs at the reveal
Whats more... what if the reveal is Japan first and handheld only at first? Maybe the old prediction that Handheld is revealed in Japan first and then released globally and then followed by the console SKU afterwards
Yet... there are zero rumors of a second SKU from any sources outside 10k and SMD....
axisofweevils
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Yep, plus if last gen showed, there's really increasingly little difference between them. The New 3DS got a port of Xenoblade.
ThePizzaGuy
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I'm pretty excited for the official announcement. I like what I hear so far.
The problem is more on the limitations of the handheld form - factor.
Also Tegra X1 is not a very exciting GPU.
This is something I was talking about much earlier in the thread as well (posts get lost very quickly at the speed the thread's currently going), but there are a few technical difficulties with it. Firstly, handhelds don't have heatsinks in them, so even if you're running an external fan you need to bulk up the device considerably to squeeze the heatsink in so that you've got something to run air through. I'd also be conscious about how hot the unit could get after a long period of use when someone immediately picks it up to play it in portable mode. Even if a small fan and heatsink can dissipate ~25W or so, if the SoC runs up to 50C+ under load it's going to be pretty hot to the touch.
It's an interesting engineering challenge, though. At the most extreme end of things, you could do a tiny liquid cooling loop, with a thin cooling block over the SoC, a pair of quick-connect fittings in the bottom of the handheld which connect to the dock, and then a small radiator, pump and fan on the dock itself. Even a tiny radiator and fan would keep a 25W chip positively chilly. Of course it would be stupidly expensive and would be near-impossible to design in a way which people can't break extremely easily, but that's just part of the fun.
ShockingAlberto
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This was a Nikkei rumor, IIRC? Samsung was making donut-screens, Nikkei reported Nintendo wanted to use them for a handheld.
Jonneh3003
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It was never a design, the patent was for a freeform display if I recall.
mckmas8808
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And with how much RAM? And with what bandwidth?
Randomizer
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You are insane. Are you comparing it to some cheap Chinese android knockoff? It's $200 for an NVidia shield which has the same processor but does not include a controller.
DrROBschiz
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Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Can we please stop throwing around this half precision bullshit as well as the idea of not giving a fuck about wattage?
Let's wait till we get info vs throwing around random ass 16fp numbers.
EDIT: FFS too late as your post is getting mega quoted.
I was definitely one of them, lol.
Well yeah, I never said Nintendo has a perfect track record. And I'd argue that Nintendo *did* use the Wii U's features in some really cool ways, but that the console came with a whole other slough of problems that held it back from being succesful.
This is pretty hilarious considering how angry people got whenever someone even IMPLIED that it might be a hybrid.
This is really their only option at this point. If this was a standard console, it would sell less than the Wii U. Now people might actually pay attention to this and consider purchasing it (mainly for the handheld part). I'll probably get this just to play a full blown 3D Pokemon game. I know many people like me who haven't played a Pokemon game in over a decade (as shown by the response from Pokemon Go) and are looking to play a tradition Pokemon game again. There's so much potential in Pokemon alone being the "killer app" for the NX. I hope they don't fuck this up.
This is really their only option at this point. If this was a standard console, it would sell less than the Wii U. Now people might actually pay attention to this and consider purchasing it (mainly for the handheld part). I'll probably get this just to play a full blown 3D Pokemon game. I know many people like me who haven't played a Pokemon game in over a decade (as shown by the response from Pokemon Go) and are looking to play a tradition Pokemon game again. There's so much potential in Pokemon alone being the "killer app" for the NX. I hope they don't fuck this up.
3DS was poorly marketed and struggled to differentiate itself from the DS in the beginning. 3D feature was expensive and not a draw at all. Wii U struggled even more so to really differentiate itself and justify a purchase. NX will be a dramatic shift from their prior devices and not simply be an iteration like their last two systems were.
If they do a good job at marketing the system, with a clear and eye catching message, and have a strong line up at launch to support it they could very well justify a $300 price tag, maybe even $350 if they bundle a killer app game with it. Like a Pokemon Go+ or equivalent.
That said even at $250 they could totally fuck things up if their marketing and message isn't on point. This is a pretty foreign concept for the mass market. A lot could go wrong and get too complicated for consumers to fully understand.
I think $991 is too expensive for the mass market
Proelite
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My 4 cents on this shit because I like to speculate out of my ass.
NX - Tablet + two controllers.
Dock: Base dock has only outputs and power. Future docks will have ram and gpu power. Technically feasible and already implemented in Surface Book.
VR Dock. Essentially a powered dock that has a 1080p screen and VR googles that you wear. If the screen on the NX itself is 1080p, the dock will just be something like Samsaung GearVR with power input. You put the tablet portion in the dock and play with the detachable controller.
NX - Tablet + two controllers.
Dock: Base dock has only outputs and power. Future docks will have ram and gpu power. Technically feasible and already implemented in Surface Book.
VR Dock. Essentially a powered dock that has a 1080p screen and VR googles that you wear. If the screen on the NX itself is 1080p, the dock will just be something like Samsaung GearVR with power input. You put the tablet portion in the dock and play with the detachable controller.
No, its a hybrid console. It's on Nintendo to make that distinction and make sure that message connects with the public. It's not a home console. It's not a handheld. It's Nintendo everywhere. God help them if they haven't learned any lessons from the WiiU/3DS. Their marketing and messaging needs to be near flawless.
Plinko
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A rumor passed around news sites a year or so ago that Nintendo was shooting for a mid-range system (less powerful than the other two) that could hit the impulse buy price range of $199-$249. Don't be shocked at all if this is true.
LordRaptor
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The manufacturing price difference between a touchscreen and a 'no touch' screen is probably pennies on the dollar, but I would assume it has if only for the avenue to then resell DS 3DS, and WiiU titles.
Sharp was making the free-form screens and people thought it would be for NX.
JimJamJones
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And I'm hearing that the NX is really a device that steals the souls of gamers to sacrifice to Gaben so that Half-Life 3 will finally be summoned to this plane of existence.
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