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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept

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maxcriden

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Considering no BC, that technically means buying any 3DS or Wii U console is now automatically worth it.

Oh, right. No BC doesn't just mean no Wii U, but also no 3DS. But I presume everything else HH and console will be on VC, and that from Wii U at least we'll see multiple ports of some major games, given the rumors.
 
All signs point to Nintendo pretty much moving onto NX entirely, since 3DS support has gradually slowed down and Wii U was dropped like a rock, but there's enough of a back catalogue + lack of BC which means a 3DS is still worth it IMO.

Yeah, 3DS will be worth having for a good while for sure, but unified architecture + this thing being a hybrid suggests it's gonna replace both home and handheld markets for Nintendo.
 
Come on that's pretty premature. If it catches on with general users, doesn't matter how different it is. 3rd party developers will move on from the whole "alienated" stance to tap into the userbase.

You mean like the Wii? Oh wait...

Selling through over 100 million couldn't recruit even the most basic support from 3rd parties.
 

DonMigs85

Member
I mean, get one if you want, but don't expect many new games for it past this winter.

It's basically as an upgrade to my current 3DS XL since it'll be the "definitive" way to experience my 3DS library with super-stable 3D. Plus the faster menus and such.
 

21XX

Banned
NX itself would work really well. Long name could be the Nintendo Cross, or just the Nintendo X. I don't know.

The whole "X" is "cross" thing is too weird for the west, I think. (I personally think it's silly, but am guessing that the public at large just wouldn't get it.) Nintendo pulled off the Wii, but at least that's pronounced as written.
 

ReyVGM

Member
I'm still going to pay close attention to the actual announcement, and if Zelda BotW indeed looks/runs better on the NX, then I'm still going to buy it, but these news are extremely disappointing ;'(
 

flkraven

Member
With statements like this, I wonder if you're even a fan of Nintendo's games.

I don't know. It just seems like, if you like their games you're past the whole graphics thing. They always do wonderful work with what they have anyway.

NX will be weaker than you want (likely) but if Nintendo plays their cards right it could have 3DS+ levels of support which is great. People want games to play and NX should have the games considering that it's a streamlined platform.

I love Zelda, Mario, Animal Crossing, etc. I've just gotten to a point in my life where I can't justify spending hundreds of dollars on a machine that I will only play 6-10 games on. That's not a ridiculous ask. I made the mistake for the last time with the Wii, skipped the Wii U, and hoped for an improvement here. It didn't come.

Instead, I can have an Xbox which is more powerful, get 99% of the multiplat titles, get 48 games a year with Xbox Live gold + all the games I want to buy. I truly miss the Nintendo only titles, but like I said, I'm not burning money on another gimmick that can't keep up and won't be supported by 3rd parties. Better off skipping them again, hoping for the hardware to fail, and crossing my fingers that they go 3rd party.
 

Plum

Member
The whole "X" is "cross" thing is too weird for the west, I think. (I personally think it's silly, but am guessing that the public at large just wouldn't get it.) Nintendo pulled off the Wii, but at least that's pronounced as written.

I guess so, but I think that's what the NX codename is hinting at.

Nintendo Xtreeeeme it is then.
 
The more I think about the detachable controllers, the less sense they make, and the Eurogamer article isn't helping.

The illustration shows two small controllers popped off from the side of the central screen, so saying "controllers" (plural) clearly wasn't a typo.

Yet further down in the article, it says "A base unit, or dock station, is used to connect the brain of the NX - within the controller - to display on your TV."

So now it's "controller," singular? And the processor is in that controller, not the screen portion? Huh? It's certainly not split between two smaller controllers.

There has got to be some miscommunication, misinformation, or typo in here somewhere. Surely the "brain" of the NX is in the screen portion, and the controller(s) connect to that. Then that screen docks with a device which works with your TV, and those controller(s) then may or may not work with the NX while it's docked.


I asked the writer of the article about that - his response:

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Shpeshal Nick

aka Collingwood
Yeah, a lot of our speculation today is useless without knowing what the dock is about.

It's obvious no?

At a very basic level it'll be a charging station for the NX and its controllers and allow for HDMI out. It's not that difficult to work out. An nice looking docking station is far more elegant than just "some cable". I'd wager the docking station is also what the wireless controllers sync to.
 
What is the dock is a separate accessory you have to buy for $50-99? What if the next home console they don't want to release until ps4 is on its last legs so they can compete in the next gen versus Sony, so this is just a stop gap until 2018/2019?

You can't just jump to the conclusion nintendo will never make another dedicated home console based on this rumor from eurogamer that to me, and many others just describes a handheld console with an option to connect it to your tv. It's been done before in the handheld space and didn't cannibalize the home console to any significant degree. See the psp and the ps2.

This would be a valid comparison if Nintendo home consoles had 3rd party support on par with Sony. As someone who has almost zero interest in handheld gaming this about as bad as it gets if true. I was really hoping they would drop the gimmicks and make a traditional console and no the Wii U was a gimmick too. People say Nintendo cannot compete with Microsoft and Sony in that market ,but why not? The have billions of dollars so what are they doing except sitting on it?
 

psyfi

Banned
The more I think about the detachable controllers, the less sense they make, and the Eurogamer article isn't helping.

The illustration shows two small controllers popped off from the side of the central screen, so saying "controllers" (plural) clearly wasn't a typo.

Yet further down in the article, it says "A base unit, or dock station, is used to connect the brain of the NX - within the controller - to display on your TV."

So now it's "controller," singular? And the processor is in that controller, not the screen portion? Huh? It's certainly not split between two smaller controllers.
The confusion here may come from the entire NX unit being used as a controller when playing on a TV. The detachable controllers can be controllers, but the entire machine itself can be a controller when connected to a TV.

...but then how would the dock work? So many questions, lol.
 

Schlorgan

Member
Sounds interesting.

What i would like.

- 7 to 8 inch screen, with at least 1080p resolution.
- At least 7 hours battery life with gaming on the actual device, wifi turned on, and brightness at 70%
- Fast charging battery technology
- Wireless lag-free connection to your tv
- Support for memory cards up to at least 128gb

Get those expectations up there. Best way to go. ;p
 

ultrazilla

Gold Member


NX free form display controllers. Controllers attach and form one seamless display.

Probably less physical buttons on them and more haptic/virtual buttons though.

General idea though.
 

Guevara

Member
There's still so much we don't know, though. The dock could make this more relevant to the living room than we think, or this could be just one form the NX takes, with a second, more TV-centric machine being planned.

But yeah, if you're right, then damn. This is huge.

I think you're right. People are good to be cautious, and there's too many uncertainties.

Still, I expect a "Nintendo exits home console business!!!!" post or two in the next few months.
 
Will it be region free?

"My understanding is that it is not realistic on the existing video game systems because unlocking them after they are already on the market poses a number of hurdles. On the other hand, regarding NX, we understand that many consumers hold such opinions and such suggestions exist in the market, and although we have nothing concrete at the moment, we are internally analyzing what hurdles exist to lifting region locks. That is the situation right now. We acknowledge your request, and I personally want to give it positive consideration." - Iwata 2015

I'm saying yes.
 

LCGeek

formerly sane
Taking their pr disaster of WiiU where every person looking at it asked if they could take the controller outside with them and actually making it their next system?

Sounds like something I don't want, but we'll see I guess.

I think once nintendo gets people to understand what you can do with a streaming device connected to something powerful it can be sold to the public. Gaming in the last few years went to being tied down to one device. With good streaming tech you can now have main hub attached to something with almost no power and still keep similar performance to using a good machine directly. Nintendo is the only company whose been investing in this network tech in this manner, why not exploit it. Cause basically first company to get this idea down can move to a platform that most gamers would want a platform that can have the benefits of a decent pc but also have tons of mobile/streaming features. If nintendo streaming/networking patents pan out just like controllers they will have quite an edge on sony/ms for years or even more so they could profit off of licensing it to the industry in the various ways other companies will want in on.

I'm with others especially since they reupped the patent I want to see how these scds are a factor or if they will be. While these ideas traditionally don't work some of the tech changes to Wii/Wiiu to make the new inputs work with little latency/transfer issues is paying off or stream to tvs in the manner it does is paying off. I wish the company wouldn't use their consumer base as guinea pigs so much but considering the pay off at times it comes with the territory.
 

Subaru

Member
The dock could be:

1) just a charging dock with HDMI output;
2) a charging dock that allows the cores to run at maximum speed and improve quality a little bit (remember that PSP had the cpu locked because of battery usage?);
3) another CPU/GPU/whatever to improve quality of NX games (I think about SLI maybe?).
 

Mihos

Gold Member
The confusion here may come from the entire NX unit being used as a controller when playing on a TV. The detachable controllers can be controllers, but the entire machine itself can be a controller when connected to a TV.

...but then how would the dock work? So many questions, lol.

Maybe just as a video stream receiver, like the WiiU pad does now in reverse?
 

Lady Gaia

Member
Inventory costs were a major issue with cartridges the last time around, and could well be again. I could see some kind of hybrid approach where downloaded titles on secure flash media supplement the physical channel, but this whole scheme sounds risky for third party developers.

I am definitely in wait and see mode. When the official unveiling happens it'll be clear whether I am letting go of my historical attachment to Nintendo, just repairing my Wii U and playing one last Zelda game there, or jumping in with the promise of Fire Emblem and the likes finally coming back to a living room setup.
 

BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Xbox One hardware sales: ~20 million

PS4 hardware sales: ~40 million

Wii U + 3DS hardware sales: ~12 million + ~60 million = ~72 million

This actually makes a LOT of business sense.
 

oti

Banned
The dock could be:

1) just a charging dock with HDMI output;
2) a charging dock that allows the cores to run at maximum speed and improve quality a little bit (remember that PSP had the cpu locked because of battery usage?);
3) another CPU/GPU/whatever to improve quality of NX games (I think about SLI maybe?).

Your avatar is a party.
 

Proelite

Member
One thing that no one mentioned that's potentially HUGE.

VR DOCKS!

If the NX has a 1080p screen, dock is googles + input power.

If not, dock is PS VR like device.

COME ON people, be creative.
 
I don't know, I was kind of hoping Nintendo would move away from all this gimmick action with this one. Obviously I don't know how this is going to play out in reality but on paper, there's a whole lot of gimmicks here that I assume developers will be focusing on instead of tight games.
 

Logic88

Neo Member
Honestly, from seeing these articles I went from doubting I'd ever buy into the NX into seriously wanting to get one. If it means I can finally have an easy way to play full console like quality games even with just wii u style graphics and do that on the go, then I would love to get an NX.

I would love to be able to play a game like the new Zelda, looking roughly how it does on wii u, with a full controller (god I wish the vita had l2/r2 triggers) without things being cut back while on long car rides or on plane flights. It sounds like a great way for me to finally get back into some Nintendo franchises that I haven't played for a long time.

I really love the idea so much of getting on a plane for a 10 hour flight to see my girlfriend in the future and being able to sit there and play a Xenoblade game which wasn't cut back in one way or another badly for the whole trip.
 

psyfi

Banned
It's obvious no?

At a very basic level it'll be a charging station for the NX and its controllers and allow for HDMI out. It's not that difficult to work out. An nice looking docking station is far more elegant than just "some cable". I'd wager the docking station is also what the wireless controllers sync to.
You could be right, or it could be something that is meant to give a spec boost. We can only speculate. If it's the former, than calling this thing a hybrid doesn't feel accurate to me.
 
I love Zelda, Mario, Animal Crossing, etc. I've just gotten to a point in my life where I can't justify spending hundreds of dollars on a machine that I will only play 6-10 games on. That's not a ridiculous ask. I made the mistake for the last time with the Wii, skipped the Wii U, and hoped for an improvement here. It didn't come.

Instead, I can have an Xbox which is more powerful, get 99% of the multiplat titles, get 48 games a year with Xbox Live gold + all the games I want to buy. I truly miss the Nintendo only titles, but like I said, I'm not burning money on another gimmick that can't keep up and won't be supported by 3rd parties. Better off skipping them again, hoping for the hardware to fail, and crossing my fingers that they go 3rd party.

This will be the first time I will not own anything of Nintendo's.
 


NX free form display controllers. Controllers attach and form one seamless display.

Probably less physical buttons on them and more haptic/virtual buttons though.

General idea though.

That would be so unplayable. I get it that the idea would be for it to work like an arcade cocktail cabinet but the difference is that you and your opponent don't hold the cocktail cabinet up in the air while the both of you play.
 
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