Again, that could work, but it wouldn't be very intuitive. Maybe if the cursor was gyro-controlled, it could come close to the GamePad in terms of selection speed.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Always-honest
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That's what we hope
More powerful than the Wii-U doesn't mean much. That thing is already a full generation behind. Not to mention the other consoles coming in 2017 who will obliterate the NX.
Nintendo launching a console in 2017 that doesn't even meet the capabilities of consoles released in 2013 sucks for people who love to play games primarily on consoles. There's also the fact that if you buy this for it's console capabilities, you're paying for gimped hardware for a feature that you simply won't use. The portability factor appeals to handheld gamers but not everyone is interested in 'gaming on the go'.
The software library will probably skew heavily towards handheld games and franchises too, seeing as that's the device's main focus. So that's another disappointment for the console gamer who's expecting a steady clip of traditional AAA console blockbusters from Nintendo.
All in all, this is just Nintendo announcing the fact that they are transitioning out of the home console market entirely. The TV-out features are there to not alienate their console fanbase in one fell swoop. They are in a rock and a hard place right now and betting on handheld is likely to be more profitable than betting on the console market.
i think it does away with nintendo viewing the dedicated hardware market as different audiences and trying to compete for the biggest audience within that market. this is something you're seeing with microsoft with xbox and pc. it's gearing the industry up for eventually having platforms as largely digital things that can be played across multiple devices. i think the 9th generation is going to be essentially defined by that while the 8th is the last one where you had those distinctly different form factors that had their own libraries.
Angry Chair
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There needs to be two or more consoles for multiplayer in the games mentioned.
No one really knows anything about the Main Unit. It could have additional power capabilities or just be something simpler.
This guy is destroying my hype. Nintendo please just announce this thing and get in front of all of these rumors.
Capcom usually has their trailers on more powerful dev kits, which is the same thing that they do for the recent string of Ace Attorney games on the 3DS.The stuff Capcom was showing so far has to be from the NX version then - makes sense high def portable. They probably expected it for this year though.
good point but I feel like they'll probably come up with a better solution than the ones that usually get brought up like the overlay -> scroll through stuff, whether that be redesigning some of the subs/specials or just outright omitting them. coming from the Wii U version I feel like they won't want anything to feel like a step back.
You know, when you say this out loud, I do wonder if there isn't some level of intention to further combat the devaluation of their own games. Obviously, the competitive crowd has only one viable option for something like Smash 4, but to someone new to the series, I don't think it's a stretch to say that they're going to be more likely to look at the version that costs $20 less first, especially when the general breadth of content is pretty similar.
Portugeezer
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The stuff Capcom was showing from Monster Hunter Stories so far has to be from the NX version then - makes sense high def portable. They probably expected it for this year though.
Looks like Pokemon MMO lol
Speculation is that while undocked the chipset will be under clocked to reduce power draw and when docked it well run at full speed.
A ~5" screen at 540p or even 720p requires a lot let horsepower to produce good graphics. So it won't need to run at peak performance, unite when it is docked and hooked up too an HD TV.
perfectchaos007
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If there's no BC I wonder if that means the handheld won't be touch screen. Otherwise there's no reason to not make it BC
Prevolition
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I guess if for some reason they can't shrink the game size down via lower texture resolutions, they can always release digital only.
dead_lighter
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I feel disappointed as well. Looks like it will be the worst of both worlds.
Some thoughts:
What size will have this machine? No way it can fit in my pocket...
No BC at all
A mini console to be played by two players for my three kids
No ports to be expected of big PS4/XB1 games
Some doubts:
How does Just Dance could be played on this machine? Means that the detachable controls will be like wiimote?
Will the battery not be a big weak point for this device?
How rigide will be this thing if some parts are detachable?
Will the mini nes classic be able to use NX as a screen?
Are WiiU and 3ds to be replaced by this Nintendo Cross? Seriously?
AndrewDean84xX
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I love the idea that the NX is a powerful handheld first. Laptop/mobile gaming has taught me that being tied down to a tv/monitor is an archaic way to game.
Stairouais
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The stuff Capcom was showing from Monster Hunter Stories so far has to be from the NX version then - makes sense high def portable. They probably expected it for this year though.
Wasn't there a Dev log on YT showing them playing on 3DS?
In spite of the wording in the Eurogamer article, I fully expect Nintendo to market this as a home console that can act as a portable gaming device, and not vice versa. Console itself will be $300 and games $60.
Here's hoping the battery life will at least be good. I can't see it lasting more than five or six hours though, since it not only has to display the game in high definition like the Wii U Game Pad, but it also has to run them.
Here's hoping the battery life will at least be good. I can't see it lasting more than five or six hours though, since it not only has to display the game in high definition like the Wii U Game Pad, but it also has to run them.
Graphics Horse
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Even RE Revelations had a 800x480 trailer back around the 3DS reveal.
malboroking
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It's probably going to be 540p for handheld, which is what the Vita is. This makes me so happu, the thing I hated most about the 3ds was the terrible resolution. Going from my phone or my Vita to the 3ds always took a while to get used to.
Fourth Storm
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720p would be great, but we had a dev tweet earlier that he was having trouble fitting both SD and HD assets in VRAM on a "super secret potential platform".
SD assets for an SD handheld? :\
Tatsumi Oga
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It would be so good if this was just only the handheld first and that we would get info on the console later. No way that's going to be the case though. It's still a rumor but this time from a source that gave us Neo and Scorpio scoops. It should be interesting to see how much better than Wii U the console will be but I am not holding my breath. I hope September reveal is true so we can finally put this shit to rest and it's also about damn time too.
MulderYuffie
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Oh god I need it.
Not really, Rise of the Tomb Raider, for example, is just 31ish gigabytes.
We have seen the game running the the new 3DS - it looks good. Just talking about this specific high def footage though.
Its true though that Capcom has used higher res footage in the past for promotional material. I still think they expected NX for this year and to launch MH Stories on 3DS and NX.
.. said no-one ever. Maybe if you're really young and can't afford a proper setup, or something. Laptop gaming over proper PC gaming is fucking hilarious.
Jubenhimer
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Again, may I ask why people are taking this as truth. I won't say Eurogamer has no crediblity, but they aren't incapable of being wrong. Why don't we wait for Nintendo to actually reveal this thing before we assume Eurogamer is god.
Ceaseless Discharge
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The entire concept sounds way too fussy, clumsy and contrived to be genuine. A solution in search of a problem if I ever saw one.
Hoping the final reveal will be more focussed and less divisive than these latest leaks.
Hoping the final reveal will be more focussed and less divisive than these latest leaks.
New Leaf was actually launched at $30. I don't think Nintendo really has much of an issue doing flexible pricing based on the game, and that's something I do expect to see even more of on NX.
I feel disappointed as well. Looks like it will be the worst of both worlds.
Some thoughts:
What size will have this machine? No way it can fit in my pocket...
No BC at all
A mini console to be played by two players for my three kids
No ports to be expected of big PS4/XB1 games
Some doubts:
How does Just Dance could be played on this machine? Means that the detachable controls will be like wiimote?
Will the battery not be a big weak point for this device?
How rigide will be this thing if some parts are detachable?
Will the mini nes classic be able to use NX as a screen?
Are WiiU and 3ds to be replaced by this Nintendo Cross? Seriously?
Sounds like you're better offnot worrying or thinking about it until reveal. I mean all the stuff you are talking about is irrelevant in terms of what the eurogamer article is talking about. Put it all at rumor level, and just wait to the announcement.
Not saying you wont be disappointed but in your case sounds pike its the best to relax and wait.
Stairouais
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My bad. I hope that's the case if so. The DS emulator thread has shown that a better resolution does wonders on these games.
Nintendo comfortably produced 1080p/60 games on the WiiU that looked pretty good. The NX even as a pure handheld is likely to be 2-3 times more powerful. I wouldn't worry about them hitting 720p in first party games.
Even if 3rd parties output at 480 or 540p that's barely noticeae on a small screen.
AndrewDean84xX
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My laptop is glorious. Playing DOOM maxed out at 75fps. So nice.
That would make perfect sense.The stuff Capcom was showing from Monster Hunter Stories so far has to be from the NX version then - makes sense high def portable. They probably expected it for this year though.
TBH, MH Stories was the first time I've seen higher resolution footage of a Capcom 3DS game? Can you link these high resolution AA trailers?
Portugeezer
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So.... Smash Bros and then what else? 1080p/60 was not "comfortable" for devs to achieve on Wii U.
Fourth Storm
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I was gonna say that footage looks really good for 3DS. Capcom has used actual bullvids before for 3DS games? Haha
I feel disappointed as well. Looks like it will be the worst of both worlds.
Some thoughts:
What size will have this machine? No way it can fit in my pocket...
No BC at all
A mini console to be played by two players for my three kids
No ports to be expected of big PS4/XB1 games
Some doubts:
How does Just Dance could be played on this machine? Means that the detachable controls will be like wiimote?
Will the battery not be a big weak point for this device?
How rigide will be this thing if some parts are detachable?
Will the mini nes classic be able to use NX as a screen?
Are WiiU and 3ds to be replaced by this Nintendo Cross? Seriously?
Quite a bit of this seems to be assumptions on your end.
Mr. Pointy
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I suspect 32GB is the biggest cart they can make at launch and they can probably get bigger. 64-128GB carts will probably happen.
Im not even a huge PC gamer but this is total nonsense. Why would you not want to play your games on a bigger screen that probably also has a ton of options to tweak your experience?
Plinko
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If the main controller is the power base and uses Wii U tech to stream to the box (reverse of the Wii U) so it can show on the TV, why couldn't another controller just join in the game? Why wouldn't it be able to link up to the main handheld? One player uses the main console and has a screen, the others just have controllers.
Gleethor said:
Correct. Matt hinted at this. It makes sense, though, because of easier scaling, no?
No worries about that. Handheld issues are battery life, not resolution. 720p would only be a drag on battery, not graphics output. Hardware could certainly perform, just a matter of how long it could do so unplugged. 540 seems more likely to me because of that.
Though it all really depends on screen size. Larger screen requires higher resolution, smaller screen can still look great with lower resolution.
If they're recommending 32gb carts, it means they probably can go higher, but it'd probably cut into margins.
Shpeshal Nick
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I'm saying it could provide the option for both.
The unit could be docked, but the option to stream to the dock could also be there.
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