Yeah I'm quickly revising my initial opinions, the more I read about the Tegra X1. I think it's something she could be excited about now.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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Yeah I'm quickly revising my initial opinions, the more I read about the Tegra X1. I think it's something she could be excited about now.
Jonneh3003
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I don't think it sounds bad as a home console at all. Assuming the supplement computing device patent carries through to the final product we may see a boost in power, possibly from the dock. Either way it provides more power than the Wii U with a better approach to off TV play. I'm full of assumptions, lets wait and see what happens.
I'll probably go more in detail tomorrow about today's news, but... Emily Rogers re-stated how she's confident about her former report on NX being "between One and PS4, and maybe the former is even stretching it", "different architectures, apples and oranges", while OsirisBlack already expressed his (source's) lack of concern about ports to NX (i.e.: ports from PS4 and One relatively easy, technically), and, several hours before Eurogame's feature, this PM that Shocking Alberto sent to maxcriden
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=211434861&postcount=1586
And hearing this potential performance for an hybrid like NX is shaping up to be sounds insane for an handheld. Differencies between Tegra X1 and X2, combined with the dock station probably enhabling the mobile's components to run at higher clocks / featuring maybe(small) supplementary chips that work in conjunction with the "core" when they're connected / the SDC patent and its potential, are probably what determines how the heck this thing can be "around Xbox One" levels.
Moreover, before it's too late...here it goes.
In the end, I have to eat several dishes of crows. I was a very fervent supporter of the ecosystem idea, and you probably saw me answering to people who brought the "hybrid" idea in an NX-related discussion how "it wasn't possible, because Iwata told otherwise!". And then, this happened. Shocking Alberto's tweets from yesterday, combined with Emily's ones, made me start go "Oh man, it's really an hybrid / both, isn't it?", and I started seeing crows getting ready to be served. And now, Eurogamer's two-parter feature happened.
I hope the dozens of crows taste well enough for a former "ecosystem" supporter like me!
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=211434861&postcount=1586
And hearing this potential performance for an hybrid like NX is shaping up to be sounds insane for an handheld. Differencies between Tegra X1 and X2, combined with the dock station probably enhabling the mobile's components to run at higher clocks / featuring maybe(small) supplementary chips that work in conjunction with the "core" when they're connected / the SDC patent and its potential, are probably what determines how the heck this thing can be "around Xbox One" levels.
Moreover, before it's too late...here it goes.
In the end, I have to eat several dishes of crows. I was a very fervent supporter of the ecosystem idea, and you probably saw me answering to people who brought the "hybrid" idea in an NX-related discussion how "it wasn't possible, because Iwata told otherwise!". And then, this happened. Shocking Alberto's tweets from yesterday, combined with Emily's ones, made me start go "Oh man, it's really an hybrid / both, isn't it?", and I started seeing crows getting ready to be served. And now, Eurogamer's two-parter feature happened.
I hope the dozens of crows taste well enough for a former "ecosystem" supporter like me!
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Sooooo...
What are the odds the battery life isn't a joke, even next to the 3DS?
What are the odds the battery life isn't a joke, even next to the 3DS?
AndrewDean84xX
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Yup. This all the way.
StrongBlackVine
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Yeah a terrible one. Whatever I see am the minority in thinking this sucks.
outunderthestars
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This is going to be the biggest issue in my opinion.
Stillmatic
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I haven't been interested in a Nintendo console since the Gamecube, by the sounds of it NX isn't going to change that. Which is fine, they have their large core base and it looks like they're setting things up for the casual/younger market again, which should be healthy for them.
Goldenroad
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Sorry, I'm really late to this thread. Can you explain to me why this is the case, and what you mean by "everything"? Do you just mean dedicated handheld gaming devices, or do you think it will actually "outclass" the PS4/XB1/High end Gaming PC's? I mean, the handhelds on the market right now are being steadily outclassed by most tablets (especially Surface Pro) and phones. What info is out there to back up your claims? Seriously asking. Not trolling.
Kissenkopf
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And why? An open world game on an handheld is not really a concept that works. Nintendo themselves once said, and thats a reason why there handhelds were so successful, that u need to make a specific designed game for an handheld. A game you can quickly play for 20 minutes and the put down again. Most console games don't fit in this explenation and thats a reason why I think it isn't a good concept Nintendo is aiming for with the NX.
Parker would offer improved ability to switch around and just general better performance than X1.
Parker would also be 16nm instead of 20nm offering better power usage, run cooler etc.
What turned you off? The looks? The size of the controllers? The power? The pricepoint? The launch games?
You really don't need to come in here with that "holier than thou" for having a desktop attitude. Not to mention, those gaming laptops these days(and in the past days) are a lot pricier than their desktop setup equivalents so you really shouldn't be commenting on what people can't afford. Guy didn't even say his experience was one like any other. I'm not even one to ever purchase a gaming laptop as I'd rather make a build for less or make a superior desktop build for the same cost. That doesn't mean gaming laptops and TV-less setups do not provide a great experience.
It could also be a good starting device for an ecosystem down the road, if Nintendo plays this well. There could be more devices coming later. But it makes sense to start with their strongest market while not letting just the dead Wii U as their last device connected to TV.
MAtgS
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Tegra X1 is well more powerful than a Wii U if Eurogamer's study is anything to go by.
HoodWinked
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i wonder if its possible to have a desktop tier cpu and gpu and underclock them enough so that they can run without any active cooling in a mobile device.
then when the device is docked it has some way of disperse the heat and allow the device to run at its intended clock speeds.
seems better than if they had some sort of hidden power in the dock since it would be more expensive and far more difficult to program for.
then when the device is docked it has some way of disperse the heat and allow the device to run at its intended clock speeds.
seems better than if they had some sort of hidden power in the dock since it would be more expensive and far more difficult to program for.
Dude playing a fully fledged Zelda in bed is a dream come true, and BotW is even more than a fully fledged Zelda. I'm super excited at that possibility. I've never played a handheld for just 20 minutes, I probably play handhelds longer than PC/Console because it's just comfy as hell.
Thanks. This is a must-watch video.
Richard puts Tegra X1 into perspective very well, and also speculates that X1 in the NX dev kits could be a placeholder for Tegra X2 which is Pascal architecture, with around twice the performance. Would bring NX much closer to Xbox One level performance.
outunderthestars
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Again, this doesn't make sense with the success of OoT, Major's Mask, Monster Hunter, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Link Between Worlds, Smash Bros, Monster Hunter, Hyrule Warriors etc all doing well on the 3DS. These are all console styled games or games based on existing console franchises with minimal to no changes for a 20 minute game session.
Also, mobile games have taken over the role of "games to play for 10 minutes while waiting"
Shpeshal Nick
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Not sure why you're getting hung up on a name? If a docking station that provides HDMI out and charging also allows streaming is it still not a docking station?
Maybe the streaming via WiiU tech is something Nintendo is keeping close to the chest and Eurogamer's sources aren't aware?
Ok. Your phone when using Apple TV (as an example) is simply you using your phone and mirroring it to the TV. It's not suddenly a console. It's your phone, on the TV. You still have to use the phone to operate everything.
When this unit is docked, it will become a home console. You'll use the separate controllers to turn it on, navigate it and play. It is, for all intents and purposes a true home console when docked.
Proelite
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Outclass mobile devices. Surfaces pros, phones, etc. By a significant amount.
Around Xbox 1 in perf is like 5 times more powerful than the Ipad Pro 2 .
Jonneh3003
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Its all about the mystery dock!
Don't worry they'll stick a battery but one that is actually smaller than total viable space so you have to buy a better battery pack. That WiiU controller battery was a joke.
mario_O
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A lot more powerful is hyperbolic. Somewhere between wiiu and xone , probably closer to the wiiu.
This is what I've been hoping for since the hybrid rumours first came to be.
Nintendo's handhelds are traditionally low res. It needs to be at the very least 720p to be acceptable for a HDTV. I'd be hoping for 1080P personally. But without some kind of processor in the base unit, I can't see this handheld doing 1080p.
chaosblade
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Lowish resolution would be a good thing. If some folks were to get their wish and get a 1080p screen they would proceed to bitch about the system having under 3 hours of battery life once it actually released.
Underclocking while on battery power and only needing to support a 480-540p screen would allow for much better battery life. Plus games in native resolution, instead of upscaled like a lot of Vita games.
Underclocking while on battery power and only needing to support a 480-540p screen would allow for much better battery life. Plus games in native resolution, instead of upscaled like a lot of Vita games.
I mean, supposedly the Tegra X1 chip currently in NX dev kits has an audible fan, so it could indeed be just overclocked to come close to the Tegra X2. But given how much mobile tech has advanced, wouldn't Tegra X2 coded to the metal be pretty much Xbox One levels?
This is really an outdated view on portable gaming.
Especially for the games where there is a lot to do like Zelda (Xenoblade would fall also in this category) being able to play both at home and on the way is perfect. You could do a side quest in those short 20 minutes. Or finish that dungeon that you started. And not only on the way, but you can take it in the kitchen, in the bed or even on the toilet.
I read mystery duck and got excited!
(I think the dock will have speakers on it...and an IR array!)
forknknife
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I bet that the screen will be attachable to a headmount for VR gaming and that the two side controllers will have motion tracking so that together with the headmount you can do roomscale VR gaming.
Pokemon GO VR!
Pokemon GO VR!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Watch the Digital Foundry video.
Kissenkopf
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But be honest...playing in bed is not what a handheld is aiming for. How many people play with their controller in bed while looking at their tv and enjoying the game?
My point is that console games are not suited for an handheld. Its not fun watching a 20 minute cutscene in the latest Assassins Creed and that was all you did on your train ride.
And I doubt they would change ports for the NX to make the games better to play in short sessions...
Thats the point why I don't believe completly in this rumor. It just doesn't fit to Nintendo and their 25+ years of experience in the handheld sector.
???
it means nothing of the sort
games can come out on multiple systems and not look as good/run as good as the other versions
Jonneh3003
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Every NX will come with a duck, I don't want to reveal my sources but you'll have to trust me.
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There's very little market for quick pick up and play in bursts games that has long moved onto mobile. Hence why the big sellers on 3DS are the more console like games like Monster Hunter, Pokemon etc that many play for hours on end.
As for why, many don't have a dedicated gaming tv they don't share with others and fight for gaming time. Others are super busy but have public transit commutes which is the only time they game. And so forth.
Those of us with the luxury of having our own garmin space can keep enjoying games on our big screens and rarely undock the NX. And we get the benefit of playing the whole library rather than missing out on portable exclusives. Vice versa for the portable only folk. And those that bought both before now have one less gadget to buy and can play all their games home and away.
outunderthestars
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And again, current Nintendo 3DS games refute your point by existing and selling well.
wonderful103
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Coding to the metal, in this day in age, is a myth. Stop
ZombiePlatypus
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I'm very much down for a wearable/bracelet touch screen.
GustyGardens
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Ugh. This is the worst of both worlds!
Actually, I couldn't care less. There hasn't been a Nintendo console that I've been unhappy with, so I doubt this, if true, would change that. As long as I get to play Mario, Zelda & Donkey Kong, I'm good. I'm really just stoked to see what this thing is...
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Careful, go to sleep and you may wake to find Kotaku running this as insider sourced legit schematics.
Kidding
not kidding
So the two controllers mean, that i can have Local-Mulitplayer on the go? This is actually a great feature, which isn't a common Smart-Phone feature. Playing Mario Kart with my girlfriend on vacation would be great or have random people in a train play Smash Brothers against me. This sounds awesome.
Sleeping-Mode on the 3DS is great. So there no reason, why you can't have long games and people just put the game into sleeping-mode, when they have to move on. Also a Hybrid-Console means, we can have big variate of games on one system.
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