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He's young, but his death is sort of the consequences of being in a high speed chase with police officers.
What the hell?
He's young, but his death is sort of the consequences of being in a high speed chase with police officers.
*cue laugh track*"Who do I have to kill to get a vacation around here?!"
Six months? For a regular officer? Over here it is three years of school to become an actual main officer. Year and a half for a surveillance police officer. During training you don't get to have a gun while on the street.While specifics of training vary from state to state, the police academy course in the US averages about 6 months.
In the EU it varies from country to country and I'm unable to find exact details, but from everything I heard it's several times longer, in some countries lasting up to 3 years.
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One more thing, US courts have ruled that you can be too smart to be a cop.
Chicago's department policy on the use of deadly force to prohibit officers from firing at or into a moving vehicle when the vehicle is the only force used against the sworn member or another person. [Though officers have a] right to defend themselves if they or someone else were in imminent danger of being struck by the car.
I think fear and adrenaline completely overrode any rational thought there, which means they need better training.
Yeah, and that is fine. I totally agree with everything you are saying. I just was taken aback by everyone getting angry at the suggestion that stealing the car and getting into a high speed chase didn't play a role in what happened. I could be totally misreading that, and that is what I was trying to understand.
Shouldn't be stealing cars.
His death is unfair. But an individual has to make better decisions with their life. No matter how dire the living conditions are. You gotta rise above it.
As an AA, I know the system is working against me.
Yeah, I noticed that as well when watching it. Typical movie setup where they shoot at a target between them and end up shooting each other.If you watch the video you can see that the officer very nearly shoots one of his partners. Gr8 training.
This is a load of shit right here.
Make better decisions doesn't apply to the people shooting at the teenager? The car is stopped and he's crashed. They clearly didn't have any idea what was going on, so if it's not outright murder, then it's criminally negligent homicide to fire that many shots at an unarmed, fleeing suspect. Come on with that "Make better decisions" nonsense.
We already know almost every PD has systemic issues. Only way to combat that is to make better life decisions.
You can't say fuck the police. Then put yourself in positions like this. You just gotta be real.
I'm capable of being real on all fronts.
according to the article he "rammed a Chicago police squad car just before he was shot in the back and killed"
Edit: the Chicago Times website has multiple bodycam streams edited together.
He rams several police vehicles, the last one hard enough that the camera glitches out, and smoke starts to pour of out of the engine.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ting-paul-oneal-video-met-20160805-story.html
(at about 1:50)
Yeah, you know, like not being a retard who shoots unarmed people? They certainly should make better decisions about their lives. Quit police if you are incompetent and can't do your job properly.Shouldn't be stealing cars.
His death is unfair. But an individual has to make better decisions with their life. No matter how dire the living conditions are. You gotta rise above it.
As an AA, I know the system is working against me.
The clips do not show the actual fatal shooting that happened in a backyard, but the devices record the sounds of about four more shots.
The fatal shot itself was not captured on video, department officials said, even though the officer who chased and shot O'Neal was wearing a body camera. Department officials have not said why the camera did not record the shooting.
I am actually wondering if a normal citizen would even be prosecuted for shooting at a driver that was intentionally and repeatedly ramming their car at yours. With the different types of self-defense laws in many states, I am seriously wondering.I'm actually really surprised that in the state, ramming other cars isn't a justifiable reason to shoot the driver.
Or is that just police?
We already know almost every PD has systemic issues. Only way to combat that is to make better life decisions.
You can't say fuck the police. Then put yourself in positions like this. You just gotta be real.
I'm capable of being real on all fronts.
He was out of the car and not armed when the shots were fired. Any other ethnicity, and we are talking about sentencing. It's not about saying "fuck the police" its about the easy out statements like yours gives to people who don't see the wrong at all. The kid committed a crime, but as we've established over and over and over again...that doesn't justify killing him instead of arresting him.
For some (white) people it'll be "whelp, he shouldn't have committed a crime" and that's the end of it. Just like all the other times it's happened.
But what about really almost running over a cop with your car?
i'm not trying to defend anything, just really wondering what that "justifies"
The only thing it justifies is continued police chase unless the person is actively shooting at the officers with a weapon.
But isn't that attempted (possibly lethal) assault with a vehicle?
I'm black. To me it's like bro, you know about all the bullshit that's been going on in this country with black men and police. They don't need a reason to shoot and kill us so don't put yourself in that situation.
You see them getting off Scott free for killing us when we comply, don't do anything wrong and bring unarmed. So if you know all of this, then why do stupid shit? You know the system is fucked and corrupted. You know we automatically are going to be perceived as a threat, so don't put yourself in situations where they have more leverage to do fucked up shit.
The truth if the matter is no matter how much evidence piles up these fucks will get away with it. We see time and time again cops get away with murder. It's like we're target practice for them and they get no repercussions. So don't sit here going down this destructive life style. Doing illegal shit as a black man might as well be a death sentence at this point. We gotta protect ourselves cause the Justice system isn't. We can't sit here and make foolish mistakes. We can do the right things and still take the L, so I'm just saying like Spike Lee said, "Do the right thing".
I'm gonna catch flak for this post, but fuck it, that's how I feel in this situation. Is it right? Fuck no, but we as a people have taken our Injustices and made it work for us.
He's young, but his death is sort of the consequences of being in a high speed chase with police officers.
100%
Only way we beat this system is by being smarter. The police want kids like the one killed because he gives them free reign to take them out. Be Smarter, and you begin to take the upper hand from them.
Eventually you have to stop blaming women for wearing short skirts, and start condemning the behavior of others.
But what about really almost running over a cop with your car?
i'm not trying to defend anything, just really wondering what that "justifies"
"Better training" won't override fear and adrenaline once bullets start flying. Better training gives you the muscle memory to perform under that pressure, it doesn't make you immune to it.
This situation is 100% the fault the first officer who opened fire on the vehicle without cause. You can't really blame any of the officers who reacted after that. When you're in a high-speed chase and you start hearing gunshots, you're gonna shoot "back."
Unfortunately the officers will probably band together to protect the motherfucker who started shooting in the first place. I doubt that justice will be served.
The cops murdered him.Shouldn't be stealing cars.
His death is unfair. But an individual has to make better decisions with their life. No matter how dire the living conditions are. You gotta rise above it.
As an AA, I know the system is working against me.
They kill people who are complying anyways.
Does "be smarter" apply there as well?
This idea of throwing your hands up and starting with condemnation of the smaller problem versus the larger one is rather perplexing.
Yet another paid vacation coming for officers who murder an unarmed suspect instead of taking them into custody.
Not able to see a liveleak video at work, but if the kid actually narrowly missed running over a cop, there isn't going to be much to debate. The cops could get fired for breaking department protocol, but no jury would ever convict a cop after an attempted vehicular homicide.
I am actually wondering if a normal citizen would even be prosecuted for shooting at a driver that was intentionally and repeatedly ramming their car at yours. With the different types of self-defense laws in many states, I am seriously wondering.
*Edit: If he was no longer in the car, that would change things, as he essentially unarmed himself from his vehicular weapon.
Its a numbers game. Being smarter gives the person a better chance at survival, thus gives us more people with which we can change the system with.
It isn't a 100% safe choice, but it is a much better choice to give than going out there and giving them an easy shot on you.
Should have been first post.Jesus it really is shoot first ask questions later.
Holy shit Ben carson is on gaf???!?!?!?
The onus isn't on the citizen..it's on the police for deciding execute him. And that's where it always ends. It's obvious that if event a didn't happen, event b wouldn't be the outcome. Event b should never be the outcome, unless an officers life is at immediate rism. that's why people are demanding police reform. This takes nothing from that call.
That's all that can be really said. I'm black, I don't need to victim blame the guy. As I know that if he was white he'd be more likely be arrested. And we all know that here. We shouldn't be put down like dogs, when white folks get lunch and face justice. That's the larger issue. You can't look the other way for due process, even for the dumb.
Police don't have any accountability or proper training. This man's death will hopefully lead to change, eventually. But I'm not about to muddy up his life by saying he should have known he'd get executed.
There is a laundry list of how the police acted without regard for public saftey. Then they execute someone.
Eventually you have to stop blaming women for wearing short skirts, and start condemning the behavior of others.
He's young, but his death is sort of the consequences of being in a high speed chase with police officers.
Its a numbers game. Being smarter gives the person a better chance at survival, thus gives us more people with which we can change the system with.
It isn't a 100% safe choice, but it is a much better choice to give than going out there and giving them an easy shot on you.
Are some people here really comparing "stealing a car" to "wearing a short skirt"?
And you say that to your personal family members.
As a general statement, it's less than useless.
I consider the kid shot here family honestly.....I'd probably be a happier person if I didnt though lol.
He's young, but his death is sort of the consequences of being in a high speed chase with police officers.
The phenomenon is common enough that theres a name for it: High-Speed Pursuit Syndrome. Its the condition police officers sometimes suffer from during a high-speed chase, when, as an ACLU spokesman once put it, they get so angry and pumped up, and the adrenaline rush is such that you see violence visited on suspects at the end of a pursuit.