They removed the Optic port?
WAT
I would certainly say so...
It's a "Slim" model, not an "S" model.
WAT
I would certainly say so...
It's a "Slim" model, not an "S" model.
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PS4 Slim Review
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Seems a bit optimistic. One S would be $50 cheaper with a 4k BR Player built in. A bit of a waste to do a slim revision without 4K playback capability.
Transistor
Banned
That's gold, Jerry. Gold.
Doesn't bother me because I don't have an iPhone
Pankratous
Member
A very, very, very, very small subset of users will be upset. Oh no.
Shadowheart
Member
If it doesn't have an optical out, and I use surround sound (dedicated speakers), then how would I get surround then? Is there a way to plug the PS4 via HDMI to the TV, and then take an HDMI audio only out to the speakers? Or do I plug PS4 to the sound system and then an HDMI video out to the TV? I don't think the speakers have an out going HDMI, just an in one.
I've always used optical audio since PS3 for this specific reason.
I've always used optical audio since PS3 for this specific reason.
Namely, the kind of people who probably already own a PS4.
schwabdizzle
Banned
I wonder is they are going to pull the "......and its available right now" at the PS meeting.
Would it really be that small? Does everyone do surround through HDMI these days? Are systems that support that so affordable? Or do most people not care about surround sound?
Transistor
Banned
The thing is, even if you only have an optical receiver, you can still run HDMI to your TV and then the TV to the receiver through optical.
These things are obviously already in warehouses and/or retailers.
This is not a debate, or discussion.
You're out of touch.
If you want a hint, go look at eSports, especially on consoles.
Stop defending shit practices.
Chris Metal
Member
And people in the professional audio recording/engineering industry. Optical is used all the time especially for connecting and expanding legacy hardware to current/modern hardware over ADAT Lightpipe. The beautiful sounds you love over HDMI, don't be surprised if somewhere along the line optical was needed. It's not as dead as you like to proclaim.
Hesemonni
Banned
This needs more attention.
Transistor
Banned
esports is an extremely small subset of the PS4 owning population. Besides, this is a cost saving revision, that's it. The Neo will more than likely have optical.
McMoneyman
Member
So why was the intro a bunch of butts?
I do and have since I bought my AV receiver and separates years ago. Works fine and not needed optical.
My question was who has 6 speakers but isn't able to use HDMI? Last I had that scenario it was on a dvd player with surround speakers included.
Get a HDMI AV Receiver. You can get old ones on ebay for very cheap as AV freaks are always upgrading their stuff.
Future PhaZe
Member
no fucking optical port? that port is the foundation of most modern gaming headsets
guess I'll wait on neo
guess I'll wait on neo
Yes, but the optical on TV should have passtrough out, which only few have. Majority is demuxing surround into stereo when delivering through optical.
Bullshit decision and I hope Neo will have optical out.
I do this now (as well), but the sound is not as good as when I go through the optical instead... I don't think I get the same surround options out of it.
Transistor
Banned
Older DTS/DD receivers only get surround through optical. But these days, most TVs have optical out, so you will still be able to get optical sound. You just do HDMI to the TV, which sends audio and video to the TV, and then Optical from the TV to the receiver.
Check your TV options. There's more than likely an option for PCM or Bitstream sound. Make sure it's set to bitstream. Optical only sends 2 channel PCM sound, but can do 5.1 DD/DTS through bitstream,.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
If your receiver has HDMI In/Out then plug PS4 -> Receiver first, and then Receiver -> TV. You get sound and picture.
If your receiver doesn't have HDMI out, then you'll have to go directly from PS4 -> TV and then run optical from TV -> Receiver, but this method will likely degrade the quality of your sound from 5.1 to Stereo. Otherwise it's time to upgrade that receiver.
HDMI passthrough headsets from Astro etc. should become the norm going forward. Optical is outdated as much as some people hate to admit it.
I have an old Sony 5.1 system that only does HDMI pass-through, it doesn't process any audio from the HDMI itself. That would have cost me double at the time.
Transistor
Banned
One page back I linked an HDMI audio extractor. You can use that if you don't want to run an optical cable to the TV
Icedburden
Member
It really is. Last time I used an optical port was 2008. I asked at work and NO one had used one in at least 5.
Also, I can't stand Laura anymore. She's incredibly grating on podquisition and her reviews are, for the most point, not of great quality. Jim, Gavin and Conrad would be a dream team.
Would be seriously underwhelming, given that the current PS4 was sold $299 with software for an extended period of time in late 2015, and is already currently technically being sold for -less- ($349 including a $59.99 game).
$249 seems like a no brainer imo, but we'll see.
Yah... if I were forced to buy a slim I would need to. But I should be OK because my disk drive is less likely to die on a PS4 than it did several times on my past PS3's. So I will likely never need a sim.
I hope the Neo comes with an optical... but perhaps it is time to move on. I just don't want to drop money on a new sound system any time soon.
solid mike
Member
What are the ramifications of no optical audio port?
My receiver is from 2007 and doesn't support Surround via HDMI. When using your suggested set up I can only get stereo from the ps4-TV optical. Tried very hard to make it work but it's alway outputs stereo to the TV.
Anyways I'm not mad about the removal of the optical port, but was the very first thing I noticed.
Thanks, that would explain it! Also saw something about headsets, not sure how they fit in with optical...
Still, it really can't be a lot of people that are affected. Like when Samsung stopped putting scart and component inputs on their tvs.
I guess the lack of option (and reduced BOM) should translate to a lower rrp
Trogdor1123
Member
No optical turns this into an instant no buy for me. I have the turtle Beach elite 800s and they literally require optical. If they don't find some work around I would be Sol if my old "phat" ps4 dies.
AllBusinessJr
Member
http://www.smyth-research.com/newsandarticles.html
Transistor said he'd help all optical users pool resources so they could continue using their headphone with virtual surround via HDMI.
I'm not sure why they are defending this move tooth and nail. This thread alone proves that at least some people still use optical. Let alone the esports community and a those of us who troll the MLE headphone gaming guide on Head-Fi. High quality sound matters and forcing out optical makes a big difference for us console-only users that care.
theSlacker
Member
Well they just sold me a new controller. Only thing I didn't like about my launch one was how it handled data transfer while plugged in.
Not unless you're loaded. One of those cheap 2TB Seagates is the best value option.
Trogdor1123
Member
How would we know?
I am guessing here but I would reckon that people change their audio systems (especially ones with good quality surround sound systems) far less frequently than they do their TVs.
Fortunately (and somewhat unfortunately) splitters exists to resolve this issue at additional cost.
Do you or your work account for the general global trend when it comes to obsolescence Optical audio port?
Which is why you should be using HDMI instead of Optical. Funny to see how misinformed some people are about the matter. There's a reason why modern sound systems use HDMI pass-through. HDMI sound is superior by specification.
Sony has cold hard data on how many of their users depend on Optical. That data tells them it's worth removing the port. Simple as that.
Didn't know if the guy who released the mockups had included info on the ports.
It's the bolded part.
When I watch that video, all I can think of is how messy her place is.