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[ScientificPizza]

I payed $140AUD for the Ultimate Edition :/

 

[Bojanglez]

It's not just MS charging absurd prices for digital console games. I understand this is about the price of PC games, but you need to remember you're effectively buying a console game here due to the Play Anywhere system. The digital ecosystem on both Xbox and PlayStation network is massively overpriced. Here in the UK, digital games are regularly £54.99 new while you can buy them in store at various retailers for much less. Something needs to change.

Sony/MS need to sell digital codes to third party suppliers for all games (not just small indie titles). That way the market can come into play like it does for discs and steam codes. It would also be a good move for Sony or MS as they would be encouraging digital sales and reducing trade-ins.

I can see though why they need their flagship storefront to sell at the RRP at launch, otherwise the RRP would be meaningless.

 

[Spukc]

People hated GFWL when it launched
People hated GFWL even more after 10 fucking years where the service progressively got worse and worse and worse. Why do some people keep on pretending that MS didn't already have their shot of establishing a proper PC store and had ample time to improve on it but never did?

Give it some time ffs.
Microsoft learned from their mistakes and are trying to win you back.
It's only better to have some competition.
Steam isn't your best friend it's just another company out there trying to make cash.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

PC games should be £30.

I will buy really good ones for £40.

I won't buy any game, PC or console, at £50.

Everyone is just taking the piss with digital pricing.

 

[novabolt]

MS's approach for PC is not to maximize sales of PC first party titles. It is all about controlling the platform tightly. This means Windows 10 only and UWP. They are aware of the sales they are sacrificing with this strategy but their bigger picture plan is to wrestle control of as much of the Window platform as they can.

I agree with what you are saying but the plan clearly wasn't thought out properly.

 

[TBiddy]

Fanboyism

Or perhaps it's to counterbalance some of the ridiculous arguments from 'the other side' that gets thrown around in the forum. The more extreme arguments you present, the more extreme the answer you get, usually.

 

[tuxfool]

Microsoft learned from their mistakes

Have they?

and are trying to win you back.

Are they?

Nothing about this suggests that is the case, from the UWP bs, pricing nonsense, and crappy store to boot.

 

[RionaaM]

If the PC version of FH3 bombs, the series will go back to being an XBOX (The console) exclusive. Don't let this version fail just because of pricing, if you can find a workaround, do it.

On the other hand, you'd be showing MS that it's fine to ask exorbitant prices for PC games, so they'll know that strategy works and be more inclined to do so in the future. If people aren't happy with the product being offered or its price, it's perfectly fine to reject the offer. You don't owe devs or publishers anything, and I don't like the idea of buying something you don't want (or don't think is worth the price) just in hopes of getting a better product in the future.

Give it some time ffs.
Microsoft learned from their mistakes and are trying to win you back.
It's only better to have some competition.
Steam isn't your best friend it's just another company out there trying to make cash.

This feels like a joke post. Have you been reading the UWA/Win10 store threads here? MS hasn't been trying anything, unless you count "making a closed platform on PC and removing features that used to be standard, while asking for more money than the competition" as trying to win people back.

Of course it's nice to have competition, if they provide a useful or good service. MS isn't doing any so far. And this isn't its first rodeo either. Not only the ghost of GFWL still lingers on, but this new store is also competing with 2016's Steam, not 2004's. Give it time, you say. What about giving me good value for my money instead?

 

[Spukc]

Have they?



Are they?

Nothing about this suggests that is the case, from the UWP bs, pricing nonsense, and crappy store to boot.

last time i checked i got ki3 i bought on xbox one for free with all dlc on my pc.
I'm getting arc for free.
Got forza 6 beta or somthing on my pc fro free.
They gave me minecraft windows 10 for free..

SO yeah i do think they are bettering themselves.

 

[Bl@de]

Or perhaps it's to counterbalance some of the ridiculous arguments from 'the other side' that gets thrown around in the forum. The more extreme arguments you present, the more extreme the answer you get, usually.

Why should I (as a consumer) make or accept an argument for a closed plattform that gives me no control over purchased content when there are storefronts that give me full control at a cheaper price? On top of that we already know how Microsofts previous attempts at winning over PC gamers ended.

 

[Hektor]

Give it some time ffs.
Microsoft learned from their mistakes and are trying to win you back.
It's only better to have some competition.
Steam isn't your best friend it's just another company out there trying to make cash.

If they learned they could start showing that. So far we've a service that isn't any better than gwfl.

The store exists for over a year know, how much more time should we give them?

There is competion to Steam. It's called green man gaming, good old games, even fucking origin.

Sites and services that actually have value to them that isn't based on making content exclusive.

 

[novabolt]

On the other hand, you'd be showing MS that it's fine to ask exorbitant prices for PC games, so they'll know that strategy works and be more inclined to do so in the future. If people aren't happy with the product being offered or its price, it's perfectly fine to reject the offer. You don't owe devs or publishers anything, and I don't like the idea of buying something you don't want (or don't think is worth the price) just in hopes of getting a better product in the future.

I just told people if they could find a cheaper way to get the game they should do it, how is that supporting MS and their very high digital prices?

The series is a million plus seller on XB1 so I doubt anything of value with be lost if there's no PC version for next years Forza.

 

[TBiddy]

Why should I (as a consumer) make or accept an argument for a closed plattform that gives me no control over purchased content when there are storefronts that give me full control at a cheaper price? On top of that we already know how Microsofts previous attempts at winning over PC gamers ended.

Something tells me, that no matter which argument is produced here, you won't listen to it. Besides, that's not really the point I was making.

 

[Maintenance]

Microsoft learned from their mistakes and are trying to win you back.
It's only better to have some competition.

If only Microsoft learned anything, UWP and WS proved otherwise though. The competition line is pure gold.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-sg/store/collections/greatxboxgames/pc

click here, if its set to aussie scroll down to set country, choose singapore - EN

search for gift card or go here https://www.microsoftstore.com/stor...Page&result=&sortby=score descending&filters=

buy enough to get your game, redeem it on your account (set region to singapore)

go back to the link above and buy your game

Does this work for the xb1 version as well? Like, is the game region locked on console?

 

[dr_rus]

Well, that's their Play Anywhere interfering with PC pricing as they can't set it any lower than XBO's now as people will just buy PC version instead of XBO's in this case.

(That's ~55 euros or 60 USDs for those wondering.)

Still, I gotta say that it makes the choice of what to get in these coming months A LOT easier:

 

[RionaaM]

I just told people if they could find a cheaper way to get the game they should do it, how is that supporting MS and their very high digital prices?

The series is a million plus seller on XB1 so I doubt anything of value with be lost if there's no PC version for next years Forza.

Because the game would still be selling on PC, which shows MS that its practices are good for its business.

I mean, you are free to do what you want, it's your right as a consumer. I just think that it's also fine to skip a product if you're not perfectly comfortable with it, even if you have the chance to get it cheaper.

 

[deadfolk]

So has anyone done the Singapore gift card thing and can confirm that the game shows as purchased on both Xbox and W10 stores?

 

[TheKeyPit]

So has anyone done the Singapore gift card thing and can confirm that the game shows as purchased on both Xbox and W10 stores?

There is no Xbox and Windows10 store. They are unified.

Edit: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/forza-horizon-3-standard-edition/9nblggh4rq31

 

[KainXVIII]

Well, that's their Play Anywhere interfering with PC pricing as they can't set it any lower than XBO's now as people will just buy PC version instead of XBO's in this case.

(That's ~55 euros or 60 USDs for those wondering.)

Still, I gotta say that it makes the choice of what to get in these coming months A LOT easier:

Yeah, no regional pricing in winstore is ridiculous. Only Rise of Tomb Raider price is on par with Steam version.

 

[tuxfool]

last time i checked i got ki3 i bought on xbox one for free with all dlc on my pc.
I'm getting arc for free.
Got forza 6 beta or somthing on my pc fro free.
They gave me minecraft windows 10 for free..

SO yeah i do think they are bettering themselves.

How does free shit fix all the structural problems demonstrated by them? The other platforms also give away games (Steam, Origin, Uplay and GoG).

I should note that barring KI3, nobody wants to buy that stuff anyway, which is why they gave it away.

 

[horkrux]

Because the game would still be selling on PC, which shows MS that its practices are good for its business.

I think there is a difference between 'game sells good overall' and 'game sells good only in certain regions'. I mean we are talking about prices here, not UWP etc. and I'm happy to game their stupid little system by buying from the US store if the game is worth it.

If the game sells badly in Europe because of the quite frankly laughable price tag, then they will have to do something about that. Buying from other regions or not buying at all serve the same purpose here.

 

[RionaaM]

How does free shit fix all the structural problems demonstrated by them? The other platforms also give away games (Steam, Origin, Uplay and GoG).

I should note that barring KI3, nobody wants to buy that stuff anyway, which is why they gave it away.

Besides, it's not even free. The poster paid for the XB1 version, so MS already got some money. And praising a storefront for a free beta sounds funny to me.

I think there is a difference between 'game sells good overall' and 'game sells good only in certain regions'. I mean we are talking about prices here, not UWP etc. and I'm happy to game their stupid little system by buying from the US store if the game is worth it.

If the game sells badly in Europe because of the quite frankly laughable price tag, then they will have to do something about that. Buying from other regions or not buying at all serve the same purpose here.

Fair enough. I understand what you're saying, and you're probably right. I still think it isn't wrong to completely skip the game, but it's true that it may raise a red flag if lots of people are buying it from the cheapest region instead of their own, which could make MS rethink its business strategy.

 

[deadfolk]

There is no Xbox and Windows10 store. They are unified.

Edit: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/forza-horizon-3-standard-edition/9nblggh4rq31

Right. But given that, can you be sure that buying from a different region for Xbox will also give you the game on W10? I don't really know the ins-and-outs of how MS accounts work.

 

[TBiddy]

Yeah, no regional pricing in winstore is ridiculous. Only Rise of Tomb Raider price is on par with Steam version.

There is regional pricing in the MS Store. Why do you think there isn't? Forza Motorsport 6 is about 15$ cheaper in Russia than in Denmark.

 

[Nzyme32]

I'll never spend more than £39 on games; they just are not worth that much to me.

Even then, that is an extreme. Almost everything I am buying is £29 or less

 

[KainXVIII]

There is regional pricing in the MS Store. Why do you think there isn't? Forza Motorsport 6 is about 15$ cheaper in Russia than in Denmark.

Still 30$ more expensive than highest Steam prices.

 

[TBiddy]

Still 30$ more expensive than highest Steam prices.

That may be true. I'm just pointing out, that there are indeed regional prices in the Windows Store, contrary to your argument.

 

[nkarafo]

And that's why I love physical, Xbone version less than 58 Euros, PC version is 59,99. Still too expensive, any game that on Steam is released for 59.99 I can get physical version for less than 50. As long as this happens, I'm not in the least interested in this all digital future.

"games will be cheaper because there is no shelf space, no physical medium and no packaging costs"

-NeoGaf digital only defense force.

 

[Flux]

Hmm $79.99 Canadian Dollars on the W10 store, which is right on point with our retail and steam games. Bought Gears of War 4 thru the store for the play anywhere, and it comes up to just over $90 with tax.

Hopefully writing in to make them aware and making your complaints heard will restructure how the regional pricing is for the Euro since that just isn't fair. It seems most other countries have their fair or expected pricing.

 

[Sky87]

What they need is standalone PC only copies priced similar to Steam. If they lowered the price on the Win store, they'd also have to lower prices on the Xbox store since it's Play Anywhere.

Not everyone owns or plan to own an Xbox One, so paying more for two copies doesn't make much sense.

 

[MUnited83]

Give it some time ffs.
Microsoft learned from their mistakes and are trying to win you back.
It's only better to have some competition.
Steam isn't your best friend it's just another company out there trying to make cash.

Is this some kind of parody post? I already gave MS 10 freaking years. A W10 store isn't competition. Like, at all. And they haven't learnt shit.

 

[OverturePT]

And that's why I love physical, Xbone version less than 58 Euros, PC version is 59,99. Still too expensive, any game that on Steam is released for 59.99 I can get physical version for less than 50. As long as this happens, I'm not in the least interested in this all digital future.

This is the whole point of this thread, Microsoft is pushing it with these prices. Every other game outside of MS first party you can get for way cheaper digitally on day 1.

 

[Armaros]

"games will be cheaper because there is no shelf space, no physical medium and no packaging costs"

-NeoGaf digital only defense force.

'Ha ha I'm going to apply MS to all other digital store holders that don't do what MS is doing'

 

[El Topo]

Well, that's their Play Anywhere interfering with PC pricing as they can't set it any lower than XBO's now as people will just buy PC version instead of XBO's in this case.

They could just do it like they're doing in the US and sell the game at 60, no?

 

[Felix Lighter]

"games will be cheaper because there is no shelf space, no physical medium and no packaging costs"

-NeoGaf digital only defense force.

MS pricing in these cases is almost certainly due to the fact that they cannot just charge below physical MSRP on their own digital store without pissing off their physical retail partners due to the 'Play Anywhere' component.

They could just do it like they're doing in the US and sell the games at 60, no? I assume there is no legal reason that forces them to sell their game at 70?

The digital PC price for the region will match the MSRP of the physical Xbox One copy for the region.

 

[nkarafo]

'Ha ha I'm going to apply MS to all other digital store holders that don't do what MS is doing'

I'm still finding physical games usually cheaper than in digital stores in Europe (at least in Greece). At best, there is no difference.

Overall, i haven't seen any improvements in my pocket with digital stores when it comes to new games. I pay the same or more.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I don't really understand why the game should be cheaper on PC.

$60 is around 65 euros/£55 when you include tax. 69 euros is a bit steep.

 

[Felix Lighter]

I don't really understand why the game should be cheaper on PC.

$60 is around 65 euros/£55 when you include tax. 69 euros is a bit steep.

There are actual real reasons brought up in this thread why it costs publishers less to sell on PC but that is really beside the point of the thread which is platform price expectations. The issue isn't why does this cost the same as the console version. It is why does this game cost more than any other PC game.

 

[bbd23]

Hmm $79.99 Canadian Dollars on the W10 store, which is right on point with our retail and steam games. Bought Gears of War 4 thru the store for the play anywhere, and it comes up to just over $90 with tax.

Hopefully writing in to make them aware and making your complaints heard will restructure how the regional pricing is for the Euro since that just isn't fair. It seems most other countries have their fair or expected pricing.

wait...you need to pay tax on the store too?

god damn

 

[MaLDo]

What the fuck is this shit?

Troll detected is it.

 

[MaLDo]

No, if it bombs, it'll just release elsewhere.

 

[jonno394]

I don't really understand why the game should be cheaper on PC.

$60 is around 65 euros/£55 when you include tax. 69 euros is a bit steep.

It's because of the precedent that exists. Physical games on PC have been cheaper for as long as I can remember, and PC digital games are typically always cheaper than the console releases. PC gamers have long been used to this, so it is understandable (imo) why people ar eup in arms over things like this.

I can currently pre-order COD:Infinite Warfare over at Green Man Gaming for £33. This is £17 cheaper than MS want me to pay for Gears of War 4.

 

[Detox]

What they need is standalone PC only copies priced similar to Steam. If they lowered the price on the Win store, they'd also have to lower prices on the Xbox store since it's Play Anywhere.

Yeah.

Not everyone owns or plan to own an Xbox One, so paying more for two copies doesn't make much sense.

They should make play anywhere an optional add-on for a price, the amount of people who will use it isn't enough to justify the PC players they're deterring with this policy.

 

[Älg]

This is probably one of the biggest issues with the Windows Store. It's within Microsofts rights of course, but it's obviously bad for the consumer when a store gets a monopoly on selling certain games.

 

[Chris1]

They should make play anywhere an optional add-on for a price, the amount of people who will use it isn't enough to justify the PC players they're deterring with this policy.

It would be the same price still. It's not like xbox versions went up in price with play anywhere. It's their currency converter.


The games are still 60 usd and they aren't gonna sell cheaper.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

They should make play anywhere an optional add-on for a price, the amount of people who will use it isn't enough to justify the PC players they're deterring with this policy.

This is something I agree with - I would like a PC Only choice. Offer the Play Anywhere thing with the more expensive Xbox One version.

 

[King Gilga]

Do what 90%+ of PC gamers do and ignore the W10 store.

Boom, I opened it once when W10 first came out, laughed. After that the only times I remember it are when I see these threads, and laugh again.

I'd rather go out and buy an xbox one than deal with that PoS, not that I'd do either.

 

[Mifec]

They actually lowered the price in Croatia from 74 euros to 65 rofl. Ultimate is still 120 for some insane reason.

Thx for the Singapore store trick lads.

 

[simatron3000]

This is probably one of the biggest issues with the Windows Store. It's within Microsofts rights of course, but it's obviously bad for the consumer when a store gets a monopoly on selling certain games.

Surely Steam has many games that can only be bought on steam?