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PS4 Pro Won't Support 4k BluRay

Oh gee well that settles it, looks like myself and my friends and the countless negative reactions on the internet and almost every games site I've bothered to read about the issue are just picky outliers and no one actually cares about UHD playback on PS4P.

Countless negative reactions on the internet don't mean much .
It's a matter of what the mass market think .
Sony don't think the mass market will care about UHD so they rather keep the cost down .
Time will tell and if they mess up in 3 years time PS5 will have one .


Not really .
There are a lot of us that are the target market that don't care about 4k blu rays .
Not everyone has the same wants or needs .
 

Abdiel

Member
There's two discussions being had here, and I think that's the fundamental issue.

There's the entirely subjective one, where people are upset or disappointed because what they wanted isn't being provided, and that's totally fine. I understand, that's your right, you represent an enthusiast subset that is understandably going to be let down by this device not having the UHD disc capability.

Then there's the business discussion, where folks like myself, Matt, and Verendus have tried to provide actual verified explanations of what market research showed internally, and what retail is seeing with the actual reveal and now availability of preorders. Sony choosing this route for business reasons and seeing that the format would be no major influence on the role of what the Pro represents is based on their insight into the realities of the product planning and market.

This isn't a 'defense'. I personally have no investment in whether or not they have a UHD player ability in this hardware. It's unfortunate for those that want it, but seemingly, like huge majority of my customer base, it doesn't matter to me in the slightest. The people talking about buying XB1 S consoles instead, I've encountered a single person in my stores who said that was their reason, because the Pro didn't have that function. Of the many conversations I've had discussing game hardware and the market going forward, the frustration on here is extremely concentrated, and doesn't reflect the mass market at all. That's all I've tried to say.

Be upset, be mad, talk to Sony. I'm not saying stop doing these things. Otherwise how will you get your voice heard? But anyone speculating it will have any serious impact on the product has a gross misunderstanding of the market in general, and how this really looks.
 

Vuze

Member
Countless negative reactions on the internet don't mean much .
It's a matter of what the mass market think .
Sony don't think the mass market will care about UHD so they rather keep the cost down .
Time will tell and if they mess up in 3 years time PS5 will have one .
So Sony thinks mass market doesn't care about UHD but... one of the like... three bullet points they use to advertise the Pro is UHD/4K* capability?
 
So Sony thinks mass market doesn't care about UHD but... one of the like... three bullet points they use to advertise the Pro is UHD/4K* capability?

Yes they don't think the markets care about 4k Blu rays ( which is what i mean ) at least not yet .
They think the market cares more about 4k games and streaming.

Not to mention they sell 4K TV's!

And they also help make blu ray and 4k specs but they don't have a stand alone player yet .
Just compare that to how they were with blu ray and you can see the difference .
 
Wow, can we squeeze a couple more made up statistics into that post?...

$399 is the console sweet spot, period...

But in the context of the Pro, why? This is supposed to be a premium product for enthusiast. Was the original PS4 at $399 a premium product? No. If the system had more power and a UHD drive I'm sure the enthusiast would have paid up to $500. I really don't get Sony's thinking here. They want to deliver a premium product, but gimp it because they want to sell it at a mass market price. Let the larger market get the Slim if price is such an important factor to them. As it is the $100 difference makes the Slim very unappealing. Their strategy for the Pro and Slim is baffling.
 

gamz

Member
Yes they don't think the markets care about 4k Blu rays ( which is what i mean ) at least not yet .
They think the market cares more about 4k games and streaming.



And they also help make blu ray and 4k specs but they don't have a stand alone player yet .
Just comapre that to how they were with blu ray and you can see the difference .

Don't you think adding 4K player in their most popular electronic product would spur sales on more 4K tv's and what not? It just seems so odd that their Pro 4K model doesn't have a player. It makes zero business sense if you are a electronic company and to let their competitor beat them to the punch this holiday. You'll have a Xbox S next to Sony 4K TV's. That just seems funny to me.
 

gamz

Member
But in the context of the Pro, why? This is supposed to be a premium product for enthusiast. Was the original PS4 at $399 a premium product? No. If the system had more power and a UHD drive I'm sure the enthusiast would have paid up to $500. I really don't get Sony's thinking here. They want to deliver a premium product, but gimp it because they want to sell it at a mass market price. Let the larger market get the Slim if price is such an important factor to them. As it is the $100 difference makes the Slim very unappealing. Their strategy for the Pro and Slim is baffling.

Right! So they are pinching money on both their budget model and pro model? It's baffling.
 

III-V

Member
But in the context of the Pro, why? This is supposed to be a premium product for enthusiast. Was the original PS4 at $399 a premium product? No. If the system had more power and a UHD drive I'm sure the enthusiast would have paid up to $500. I really don't get Sony's thinking here. They want to deliver a premium product, but gimp it because they want to sell it at a mass market price. Let the larger market get the Slim if price is such an important factor to them. As it is the $100 difference makes the Slim very unappealing. Their strategy for the Pro and Slim is baffling.

I agree, it didn't launch as the premium product that they were hinting at. It could have launched at $100 more with blue pill extra CPU, UHD, etc. and I think the same population would have purchased it. As it is, its $100 more than the base unit, and very attractively priced at $399. A 'premium' model does not favor pricing over feature set.

To me, I see it as a mid generation bump, much like the iPhone 6S is to the 6. It is not the premium 6S+ that many of us thought it would be.

I am disappointed in the lack of the UHD drive, and it basically means I won't be getting one in the near future. I did, however preorder the moment the Pro was up and I am really excited to see more about what the pro will deliver over the base model.
 

Matt

Member
Don't you think adding 4K player in their most popular electronic product would spur sales on more 4K tv's and what not? It just seems so odd that their Pro 4K model doesn't have a player. It makes zero business sense if you are a electronic company and to let their competitor beat them to the punch this holiday. You'll have a Xbox S next to Sony 4K TV's. That just seems funny to me.
Like I said previously...

Me said:
There is no reason to think Sony's tv business would benefit from this. Sony had (and these are going off my memory) like a 18% share of the North American 4k tv market last year, and around a 10% share of all global tv sales.

What about the PS4 Pro having a UHD disk player would cause a substantial amount of people to buy a 4K tv (who wouldn't have otherwise), and why would those people pick a Sony tv over other, more popular brands?

SIE does not make serious moves to help Sony's TV business. It wouldn't be a good allocation of resources.
 

JawzPause

Member
Good God..the efforts people have put in to defend this move is hilarious.

Bottom line, PS4Pro is being advertised as a 4K device for the high-end consumer. Logic would tell anyone who is even remotely interested in purchasing one that of course it plays 4K Blu-Rays. $15 or whatever the cost is per unit doesn't magically erase that fact and the omission is an obvious negative to the appeal factor of the systems target audience.

You can type a 3000 word reply and it still won't change this.
This is true, however, if Sony were willing to drop this i think it says a lot about the amount of people actually buying 4k Blu-rays.

Maybe this is due to the fact that not many people own 4k tvs, but i think personally it's that people are moving towards digital content
 

Fredrik

Member
I see no good argument here for why the PS4 needs a UHD player. I don't see games requiring a UHD player so why should I have to burden the extra cost for a market I have no interest in.

Not sure on the reason people want UHD in PS4 when they have purchased a 4k TV yet have not bought anything to play 4k content on it. This reminds me of the days people buying 1080p TV and watching standard definition tv and DVD's on them.

This just screams of desperation of saying Sony have screwed up. As far as I am concerned its a success with ps4 pro as I have pre ordered already as I want gaming first and foremost in its sights.

I think this is just a small minority of people that actually care about UHD and making a fuss.
You're overthinking this, lots of people here are buying or have just bought a 4KTV because of PS4Pro and would've liked PS4Pro to play UHD movies so they don't have to buy a stand alone UHD player (or Xbox One S) to get the full 4K experience. Before the unveil the general asumption was that UHD playback was included in PS4Pro. Check the unveil stream threads, people thought the press lied when they reported about the lack of UHD playback until it was confirmed by several independent sources, and it was probably way more Sony fans than Xbox fans looking at that stream.
 

gamz

Member
Like I said previously...

But why give them less reason? Why not bundle a PS 4K with a Sony TV. Why give consumers less options and they were and have been the number 1 seller of blu-ray players. It makes zero business sense on a whole as a company.
 

Matt

Member
Right! So they are pinching money on both their budget model and pro model? It's baffling.
It's not. The point of the Slim PS4 is that they can drop the price relatively easily. That's why it doesn't have a 4K blu-ray drive or even an optical port. Right now it's $299, but it will move downward if need be.

And it's the same for the Pro, the lack of a 4K drive will help them lower the price. Sony is actively looking to expand the lower end of the market, which is in direct contrast to MS, who have set their sights on expanding their share of the high end with the premium feel of the S and the Scorpio.
 

MarionCB

Member
Of course it isn't.

But - and I only have my own anecdotal evidence to hand - I'm a PS4 owner and I just ordered my very first Xbox console, and it was a One S. Why? Because I wanted a UHD player to go with my first 4K HDR TV that I ordered at the same time (which alot of people will be doing in the coming months).

Now had PS4 Pro had a UHD player then I would definitely have held out a month and paid the extra money for a PS4 Pro. As it stands though, I've just become an Xbox user for the first time in my life purely because I could pick up what I percieve to be a worthwhile new feature, for about £190.

Assuming I'm not the only one, Sony may have at least lost a few sales this holiday and for no apparent reason.

This is exactly the position I am in. I'll be getting a 4K TV soon and I will need a uhd bluray player because I am highly interested in the format and there are already movies coming out I want. I also just built a gaming PC to plug into it, so for that and other reasons a PS4 Pro isn't compelling to me as an upgrade to my PS4 on gaming terms alone. However, having looked today here in Australia, standalone uhd players retail at $600 at the low end, maybe $450 if you get a great deal. The XB 1 S is $399 here with a couple of games and a controller I can also use on my PC.

At the moment, I will likely get the Xbox. I would have bought a PS4 Pro instead if it had a uhd bluray as I have a big PS4 library.

I don't know if Sony are making a good or bad business decision here, but I do feel it is wrong to say there is no good reason for the Pro to have a uhd drive. They will lose some sales at least.
 
Don't you think adding 4K player in their most popular electronic product would spur sales on more 4K tv's and what not? It just seems so odd that their Pro 4K model doesn't have a player. It makes zero business sense if you are a electronic company and to let their competitor beat them to the punch this holiday. You'll have a Xbox S next to Sony 4K TV's. That just seems funny to me.

As Matt said Sony market share for TVs is not big .
In fact Sony has now gone for profit over market share when it comes tvs .
Don't forget that was part of the company only 2 years ago was losing money gong for market share

The days of PS getting hurt for other parts of Sony are gone .
The perfect eg of this is PS3 where they lost billions and market share .
 

Matt

Member
But why give them less reason? Why not bundle a PS 4K with a Sony TV. Why give consumers less options and they were and have been the number 1 seller of blu-ray players. It makes zero business sense on a whole as a company.
Because 4K tvs will sell on their own. No one is disputing the proliferation of 4K tvs here. But the sales of which are a very much diminished and still shrinking part of Sony's empire, and it is not the job of SIE to push them. They wouldn't be able to anyway.
 
While I am not remotely interested in the Pro having a 4K UHD player built in as I will be happy for the 1080p advantages it offers for the foreseeable future until 4K projector prices come down to reasonable levels I can understand why people are so upset about this and it does seem like a big oversight by Sony. The device is touted as a 4K device, Sony sell 4K TVs, to anyone not in the know they would just assume that the PS4 pro has a 4K Bly ray drive built in and it doesn't.

The only reason for it's omission is I believe that they don't want to cut into there 4K stand alone player business. After all why would you spend £400-£500 on a standalone player when you can get a PS4 Pro for much less and it does much more. It would be really hard to justify their standalone price point with this. This has to be the only reason behind Sony's decision but now MS have released the XB1 S which has a 4K Blu ray drive it does make their decision to withhold it in the Pro seem mighty stupid.
 

EmiPrime

Member
This thread has been going around in circles for a while now.

Sony have access to analytics on PS4 and to UHD Bluray sales figures and projections. If people were using their games consoles to play Blurays and if there was consumer demand for UHD Blurays it probably would have been included.

The focus on gaming has worked out very well for them so far on PS4. Trying to be all things to all people with the PS3 is why it failed and allowed the 360 to gain a foothold.

TBH if you're spending all that cash on a 4K TV and a 4K receiver I don't know why you wouldn't buy both a PS4 Pro and a Xbox One S and enjoy some HDR goodness on Forza Horizon 3 now and then on Horizon Zero Down later but that's just me though.
 

Abdiel

Member
I appreciate your subjective opinion.

Yes? It's a subjective thing that I don't care while there are those that do, but that has nothing at all to do with the argument I was making on the business side. If that's the only point you were able to draw out of my post, I can't help you.
 
Disk movies on XboxOneS look great.
Video games on PlayStationPro look amazing.
Got it.

Pretty much this.

So much concern from armchair analysts, yet I'm still waiting for someone to actually present a credible argument for why I need a UHD in my games console that doesn't basically come down to "Bu-bu-but Xbox!".
 

Abdiel

Member
Oh gee well that settles it, looks like myself and my friends and the countless negative reactions on the internet and almost every games site I've bothered to read about the issue are just picky outliers and no one actually cares about UHD playback on PS4P.

By and large. Yes. That is exactly the case. Shocking as that is for you.
 

EmiPrime

Member
It's not. The point of the Slim PS4 is that they can drop the price relatively easily. That's why it doesn't have a 4K blu-ray drive or even an optical port. Right now it's $299, but it will move downward if need be.

And it's the same for the Pro, the lack of a 4K drive will help them lower the price. Sony is actively looking to expand the lower end of the market, which is in direct contrast to MS, which has set their sights on expanding their share of the high end with the premium feel of the S and the Scorpio.

That seems to be the case. I thought the Slim RRP (£259) was too high but it has barely been out for a week and already we've had a supermarket sell it for £224 with a free copy of FIFA 17. Sony are giving retailers a lot of wiggle room for discounts and bundles, same as MS with the Xbox One S (of which I have been a big beneficiary).
 

Matt

Member
That seems to be the case. I thought the Slim RRP (£259) was too high but it has barely been out for a week and already we've had a supermarket sell it for £224 with a free copy of FIFA 17. Sony are giving retailers a lot of wiggle room for discounts and bundles, same as MS with the Xbox One S (of which I have been a big beneficiary).
Exactly.

The point of the Slim is to make market share, the point of the Pro is to make money. Having a 4K blu-ray drive would go against Sony's basic strategy here.
 

MarionCB

Member
Pretty much this.

So much concern from armchair analysts, yet I'm still waiting for someone to actually present a credible argument for why I need a UHD in my games console that doesn't basically come down to "Bu-bu-but Xbox!".

The problem for Sony with the "Bu-bu-but Xbox" thing is that if you want to buy a uhd player right now and you happen to be a gamer, it makes tremendous sense to pay about the same or less for an Xbox One S than to buy a standalone uhd player.

Hell, I'm still actively annoyed at MS for all their crap in this gen, I'm not hankering for the xbox platform especially, and I'm heavily invested in PS4 games already--yet I'm still probably going to get an Xbox One S simply because it makes the most sense in my position.
 
I don't get this thread:

You think PS4 Pro sucks because of no UHD-BD?, you have a choice: DON'T BUY IT

You can get the amazing Xbox One S cheaper if that's what you are looking for in a game console......

I myself, don't expect a lot of people to choose the WAY worse gaming machine, for a drive that needs you to buy $30 movie discs.....

I will keep buying standard Blu-rays for less than half the price....
 

kevm3

Member
It's sad that a $299 competitor's system offers Uhd playback. We can talk about all of this market research stuff and how Sony objectively verified through statistics that this was a wise move, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft did their 'market research' when they released the bomb that was the initial Xbox one. If microsoft releases next year with a system that is the same price or nearly so, has Uhd playback and is a deal more powerful, then Sony has a problem on its hands.
 
Oh gee well that settles it, looks like myself and my friends and the countless negative reactions on the internet and almost every games site I've bothered to read about the issue are just picky outliers and no one actually cares about UHD playback on PS4P.

The "less is really more!" Defense Force hand-wringing is particularly out to lunch. Personally, I'd have definitely purchased a Pro if it included a UHD drive. I fully expected it to and penciled in a pre-order. Instead - because of the lack of the UHD - I picked up a Xbone S and will wait until Scorpio drops and the Pro gets a price-cut to maybe pick one up. I'm definitely not alone in my circle of friends/family in terms of being surprised/disappointed the Pro doesn't play 4K UHD discs. For casual gamers looking for a good deal on a UHD player (a much, much bigger market than "hard core gamers") it would have been a no-brainer, similar to how the PS3 was the first BR player for a lot of families who also occasionally play games. Cost of materials would have been offset by more sales.

I fully expect a Pro v2.0 revision (or, worst case, the PS5) to include a UHD within a year or two...which makes the Pro feel like a stop-gap that isn't future proof as a media player. As to the equivocating about the Pro being a "4K streaming device"...newsflash: True 4K streaming does not exist due to heavy compression on services like Netflix, Amazon, etc...people. Compounding the problem are 10s of millions of people stuck with poor internet infrastructure and/or bandwidth caps. End result is "4K streaming" doesn't generally look as good as a 1080p BluRay. And for much of the population that isn't going to improve any time soon (think in terms of decades, not months or years).

Don't get me wrong, for a lot of the population, DVD and relatively shitty streaming quality is still "good enough", which is why BR and UHD remain smaller pieces of the pie. But for people who want the best available VQ and are looking for a premium product to display their movies in UHD glory optical discs are the only way right now. And for many that's what dictates buying choices.
 

El_Chino

Member
I don't get this thread:

You think PS4 Pro sucks because of no UHD-BD?, you have a choice: DON'T BUY IT

You can get the amazing Xbox One S cheaper if that's what you are looking for in a game console......

I myself, don't expect a lot of people to choose the WAY worse gaming machine, for a drive that needs you to buy $30 movie discs.....

I will keep buying standard Blu-rays for less than half the price....
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_0_4_aps?k=4k+blu+ray&rh=i%3Aaps&sprefix=4k+b

Depending on the movie, there isn't that big of a price difference..
 

Nipo

Member
Pretty much this.

So much concern from armchair analysts, yet I'm still waiting for someone to actually present a credible argument for why I need a UHD in my games console that doesn't basically come down to "Bu-bu-but Xbox!".

I'm still waiting for a credible argument why I need a pro since I already have a 1080. Uhd blu Ray would have been one. Instead I'll stick with my og PS4 and pick up the oppo player.
 
I'm still waiting for a credible argument why I need a pro since I already have a 1080. Uhd blu Ray would have been one. Instead I'll stick with my og PS4 and pick up the oppo player.

Wise choice, if you want a great media machine: the Oppo player will be great.
 
Yes? It's a subjective thing that I don't care while there are those that do, but that has nothing at all to do with the argument I was making on the business side. If that's the only point you were able to draw out of my post, I can't help you.

I quoted the point that I found most relevant. My interest was your personal opinion and I'm glad you put it in there. I think there is one argument in this thread and it is subjective.
 
In europe there is a big difference

Why would you live there?

I personally prefer dedicated players to using my console as a player. I can understand being disappointed, but this nice was all about positioning the console as one with more power, but also price flexibility. I think it was the right choice. $15 times an estimated 3-4 million consoles is no small price for something that isn't going to generate revenue like the sales of games and accessories. You'll be surprised how many people will pick up the pro because of the price/value for games. The decision shows its not just aimed at enthusiasts, but the price conscience as well
 
The one where they kept going 4k 4k 4k. Turns out there's no UHD drive and their games don't even do 4k natively. Screams rushed out the door and half baked 4k experience.

I detect no lies.

I think it was the right choice.
It wasn't. Not for people looking for additional motivation to buy into 4K and HDR. Not for a box being touted for its 4K features. It was the obvious thing to include. So obvious people thought initial reports of it not being in there were lies.

It's becoming fairly clear that until the Pro gets its inevitable hardware revision in a year or so to include a proper UHD drive (it WILL get such a revision sooner or later for film watching), the Scorpio will be the only real 4K machine on the console market.
 

The_Lump

Banned
That's fair enough if 4K Blurays are more important to you than 4K gaming.

Please buy Sunset Overdrive.

4k gaming genuinely doesn't interest me right now, at least not enough to spend PS4K money. But 4k Blurays are a sellable feature in my household, and I'm suspecting many other households this holiday season.

This is exactly the position I am in. I'll be getting a 4K TV soon and I will need a uhd bluray player because I am highly interested in the format and there are already movies coming out I want. I also just built a gaming PC to plug into it, so for that and other reasons a PS4 Pro isn't compelling to me as an upgrade to my PS4 on gaming terms alone. However, having looked today here in Australia, standalone uhd players retail at $600 at the low end, maybe $450 if you get a great deal. The XB 1 S is $399 here with a couple of games and a controller I can also use on my PC.

At the moment, I will likely get the Xbox. I would have bought a PS4 Pro instead if it had a uhd bluray as I have a big PS4 library.

I don't know if Sony are making a good or bad business decision here, but I do feel it is wrong to say there is no good reason for the Pro to have a uhd drive. They will lose some sales at least.

Yup, also same here. PS4K is after my money on the basis of improving my gaming experience. Trouble is, I don't think it's improving it enough over the PS4 I already have, at the current price. XOne S is giving me a new feature (this year's buzz-feature, imo) and a wider gaming library for a really competitive price. So it's a compelling proposition to me and my household.
 

EmiPrime

Member
The problem for Sony with the "Bu-bu-but Xbox" thing is that if you want to buy a uhd player right now and you happen to be a gamer, it makes tremendous sense to pay about the same or less for an Xbox One S than to buy a standalone uhd player.

Hell, I'm still actively annoyed at MS for all their crap in this gen, I'm not hankering for the xbox platform especially, and I'm heavily invested in PS4 games already--yet I'm still probably going to get an Xbox One S simply because it makes the most sense in my position.

There are a bunch of good games on Xbox One and you get a great controller as a bonus (the triggers especially are amazing) but if that doesn't interest you I don't know why you wouldn't just get a standalone player as there's already a $300 Samsung that will do the job of playing UHD Blurays a lot better. The best reason to own an Xbox One is the games, not the media stuff.
 
I see no good argument here for why the PS4 needs a UHD player. I don't see games requiring a UHD player so why should I have to burden the extra cost for a market I have no interest in.
.

How do you plan to connect your PS4 to the Internet? Do you plan to connect it by Ethernet or WiFi? Here's a hint, you're have to burden the extra cost for a connection you have no interest in.
 

EmiPrime

Member
How do you plan to connect your PS4 to the Internet? Do you plan to connect it by Ethernet or WiFi? Here's a hint, you're have to burden the extra cost for a connection you have no interest in.

Internet connectivity options for a games console are different to film media options on a games console both in terms of necessity and consumer expectations.
 

Nipo

Member
Internet connectivity options for a games console are different to film media options on a games console both in terms of necessity and consumer expectations.

Yeah... But really WiFi is worthless. It reduces performance and with PowerLine unnecessary. Cut that and give us uhd
 

MarionCB

Member
There are a bunch of good games on Xbox One and you get a great controller as a bonus (the triggers especially are amazing) but if that doesn't interest you I don't know why you wouldn't just get a standalone player as there's already a $300 Samsung that will do the job of playing UHD Blurays a lot better. The best reason to own an Xbox One is the games, not the media stuff.

That's what I'm saying. I'll go for all the gaming bonuses along with a uhd player by getting an Xbox 1 S rather than a standalone player that will cost more or at best about the same? I do want an Xbox One controller to replace the 360 one I use for xinput games on PC. I wouldn't mind trying out Sunset Overdrive either.

Also, I'm in Australia, and no standalone uhd player gets near the $399 XB 1 S price currently (and that's a bundle with both Halo games); they seem to be around $500-600. I would have preferred to get a PS4 Pro though, but it has no uhd drive. *shrugs*
 
I'm still waiting for a credible argument why I need a pro since I already have a 1080. Uhd blu Ray would have been one. Instead I'll stick with my og PS4 and pick up the oppo player.

The problem for Sony with the "Bu-bu-but Xbox" thing is that if you want to buy a uhd player right now and you happen to be a gamer, it makes tremendous sense to pay about the same or less for an Xbox One S than to buy a standalone uhd player.

That these are arguments that have no relation to gaming is kind of what I was talking about to start with.

I've yet to hear of a single tangible benefit related to gaming by including a UHD player. Soon as I hear one, maybe I'll reconsider my position.

The one where they kept going 4k 4k 4k. Turns out there's no UHD drive and their games don't even do 4k natively. Screams rushed out the door and half baked 4k experience.

There are native 4K games on the platform though.
 

Malcolm9

Member
I don't get this thread:

You think PS4 Pro sucks because of no UHD-BD?, you have a choice: DON'T BUY IT

You can get the amazing Xbox One S cheaper if that's what you are looking for in a game console......

I myself, don't expect a lot of people to choose the WAY worse gaming machine, for a drive that needs you to buy $30 movie discs.....

I will keep buying standard Blu-rays for less than half the price....

Exactly, Blu Ray's still look amazing imo, and UHD movies are about £25 in the UK.

The PS4 Pro is for games and streaming primarily, it's a games console and is aimed towards that, that's been Sony's plan ever since the original PS4 was released.

UHD Blu Ray's are completely niche right now, it's almost like some have to tick a box to feel like they are an enthusiast.

I find it funny how people will buy an Xbox One S for a UHD Blu Ray player, yet are happy to play games at a lower resolution than the original PS4.
 
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