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(Partial) Mod support and 4K coming to Skyrim and Fallout 4 on PS4
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Head.spawn
Junior Member
Screens look gorgeous for such an old game.
It's not like Bethesda didn't want to include mod support; this seems more like a full-stop compromise IMO.
It's not like Bethesda didn't want to include mod support; this seems more like a full-stop compromise IMO.
Just so you know, if it works like on XB1, trophies are blocked when mods are enabled. If trophies/achievements are important to you.
CaptainSmirnov
Member
It already does?
It's better than PS4 not getting them at all, which was the previous move. Sony was not wanting to even allow it.
alexbull_uk
Member
Native 4K? That's pretty sweet.
Shame about the limited mod support, but to be fair there's still an absolute ton of stuff you can do without uploading external assets.
Good job by Bethesda. It's certainly a compromise, but a decent one at least.
Shame about the limited mod support, but to be fair there's still an absolute ton of stuff you can do without uploading external assets.
Good job by Bethesda. It's certainly a compromise, but a decent one at least.
Ascenion
Member
I see. I had only seen some mods on Xbox One didn't know they were also limited. So basically from the PC prime version each version of the mods is scaled back to fit the platform with PlayStation effectively having the worst version. What are the Xbox restrictions then? Aside from storage and I assume certain content for rating reasons.
Not in my eyes. Compromise is usually just an excuse to not do things the right way. That seems to hold true in this situation so I can't accept it. Not to mention it isn't even really a compromise. Nothing's changed from the looks of it. Bethesda just stopped fighting for Xbox equivalent support it seems.
Why would you need to screw with an ini file to set the resolution to 4K? The game already supports arbitrary resolutions.
Frozenprince
Banned
So this is utterly pointless then? Oh boy I can make a new house using the same garbage textures in the base game. And nothing else.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
So Xbox should not have mods since they pale in comparison to PC? You can't draw arbitrary line of what is worthwhile and what isn't. Why stop there? If a game can't run at a certain resolution or framerate then why have on the platform at all...
I mean I don't care about Bethesda RPGs or mods, but this is still something even if it's not ideal.
MrTroubleMaker
Gold Member
meshes,sounds and textures type of fixes will not be allowed . ... :/
Crayon
Member
You just have to remember that modding is a natural consequence to having direct access to the games files, so any environment where you don't for whatever reason will be somehow restricted in terms of mods.
Take for example the steam version: you have full access to the game's files via your operating system file browser, and can change anything, including the scripting system (the "built in" modding system), but if you only use the point and click steam interface to mod the game, you will not be able to mod the scripting system, as the steam interface provides mods that work within the scripting system.
So it would be hard to be curating a console environment where you had a game that was completely open for modding because the mod could be very far-reaching and possibly effect the system. This is probably where the xbox team is drawing the line. Sony seems to be taking it a step further, and has a problem with inappropriate for the age rating mods or maybe something else that reaches further than just system stability...
Regardless the reasons, every platform holder is going to draw the line somewhere because unhindered modding would leave too many options to plan for or to guarantee a certain experience from.
where did you get this? Bethesda even said Sony was allowing them to provide mod support. Bethesda just wanted "proper mod support". It seems they backtracked on that and are supporting Sony's original restrictions.
Rain City Gamer
Member
Weren't there a bunch of mods that were causing crashes on Xbone which is why they were hesitant and wanted them QA'd first?
OsirisBlack
Banned
Damn that looks pretty damn amazing
You don't think crashes will occur with mods on ps4?
I refuse to believe potential crashes were what was hanging Sony up. A crash is a 30 second inconvenience. Just re-boot the game, and delete whatever mod caused the crash. Your system isn't broken, and you can still play the game
You must have missed No Mans Sky. People were lighting up the forums saying it crashed alot, I think people care about it a lot more than you
or I
Do you not even know what mods are? There are tons of huge game changing mods that have nothing to do with external assets whatsoever. I think the hyperbole is too strong for people looking to be angry. I'm assuming you were not buying the game on PS4 to begin with without any mods like the previous situation.
CyberPunked
Member
Lol, what are you talking about?
Pankratous
Member
Easy for you to say.
You're forgetting how ridiculously stupid the average person is. They would blame the system and therefore the company, Sony, and not the mod they installed.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
So if I understand this correctly.... The Xbox One has all PC mods and the PS4 will have just a small selection?
Ryzaki009
Member
Nah.
The Xbox One has a small selection of PC mods and the PS4 will have a small subset of that subset.
They're both limited. The PS4 is just more so.
More like Xbox one has like 30% PC mods, and PS4 like 15%
There's TONs of mods though, so even that disparity is quite a lot.
*EDIT*
I changed the values to be more realistic
John Rabbit
Banned
I had my PC directly connected to a 4K display two weeks ago and Fallout 4 refused to let me change to that resolution (it wasn't an option on the list of available resolutions) so I dug up some old posts about manually setting the resolution in the Prefs ini which did not fix the issue.
timetokill
Banned
It's kinda like...
PC has tens of thousands of mods
Xbone has thousands of mods
PS4 has dozens of mods
Crayon
Member
Nah more like the xb has a small selection of pc mods and the ps4 will have a small selection of those.
The important difference is that the xbox does allow for mods that would introduce new objects to the game where the ps will only allow for ones that change the scripts or rules but no new graphical objects. Neither will allow script extension, for instance, which can actually do things like replace the game's interface.
If there is only one "real modding", it's the kind where you can look right into the game's files and do whatever you want. All other systems will be restricted somehow. In this case, the ps4 version is more restrictive than the xbox version but neither is true open modding.
Once again, I disagree. If mods crashing the game was such a big issue on xbox one, no one would be asking for it to come to ps4. I never saw a large thread on gaf discussing the issue, and no major gaming news outlet reported on any rampant crashes.
But when Bethesda said mods weren't coming, all of a sudden crashing is a huge and widespread problem that Sony needs to address before any mod support is implemented. Also, I doubt this will fix the issue, there will still be crashes caused by certain mods on ps4
JudgmentJay
Member
That's an issue with your setup then. The game supports arbitrary resolutions out of the box.
MisterR
Member
Makes sense that Bethesda would cave. Fallout sold better on PS4 and there are twice as many PS4's out there than Xbox Ones and they want that Skyrim remaster to sell and its main selling point was mods.
Haven't crashed once, but these days there are sites that give you a good load order for the mods or the info will tell you what load order to place said mods.
Ever googled xbox fallout mod crash site:community.bethesda.net for example? It's very unlikely that mods which use 100% in game assets will cause any sort of widespread issues. That's a closed environment you can work with which won't cause unforeseen issues since all of those assets are already in the game. If they don't cause problems, they won't when used or placed differently.
But yeah the things you can do with the creation kit are rather limited. Reminds me of some map creation tools for games...
They could create new object as well they just have to use existing in-game textures and meshes. There is a lot people can do with ingame assets but it is much more limited then the XBO or PC.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
They were important to me and pretty made them unusable to me.
Both mods with and without external assets can cause crashes, so saying that QA is the reason they didn't allow external assets doesn't really work.
Crayon
Member
Yes, to be more clear that is true. There's a lot of room to be creative within the restriction and one would cobble together new items or objects from parts of preexisting ones.
texhnolyze
Banned
This is a pretty good news for gamers. They finally reached an agreement after the long debacle.
Kaffeemann
Banned
Arthmoore, the main developer of the unofficial patches commented on PS4 mods on reddit:
PS4 mods -> mostly a marketing gag.
and
The same applies to the unofficial FO4 patch.
PS4 mods -> mostly a marketing gag.
Nope QA might have been an issue when it came to releasing the encoding tools but it seems like they had more issues with external assets being introduced into the game.
It's not just marketing it is modding just limited modding. The problem is people aren't designing mods around these limitation because they don't need to. That doesn't mean it is worthless or barely functional. It's just that people will have to design them or port them specifically with the PS4 in mind. It's a shitty limitation but not just marketing speak.
pixellated_man
Member
Native 4K for Skyrim on the Pro is a better selling point than mods to me
Yes.
It's all business. Beth didn't hurt Sony's feelings just like how MS wasn't bothered by the used game thing. No one in these companies take stuff like this personally.
Art Vandilay
Member
Wow, those screens look good.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Bethesda gave Sony PS4 Pro enhancements for both games which is very surprising to me. They rarely put extra effort in PlayStation games. Well maybe not surprising for Skyrim Remastered since they want to sell it, but Fallout 4 is an old game now. Must have made a deal.