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What ended up happening with the Maddox podcast? I listened to it for a while. Has he gone more into the alt-right stuff? I know Dick Masterson is basically a die hard Trumper.

You can see the change over the course of the Maddox OT, but I can give it to you in a nutshell:

Biggest Problem in the Universe ended in a very sudden, angry, and contentious split between Maddox and Dick Masterson. Maddox now runs a similar show called Best Debate in the Universe, while Dick has a Patreon funded show called The Dick Show.

Those are the facts. Now for my opinions and editorializing: The Dick Show has slowly morphed into a safe space where Dick and his guests can spew alt-right, anti-feminist rhetoric without ever being challenged. It's not every week, but it's frequent enough to be troubling. Dick's character/persona used to be that of a ridiculous cartoon chauvinist, but now it seems like he pretty sincerely espouses the chauvinism. As Dick has pandered towards the alt-right, his Patreon numbers have rocketed higher. It looks like he may be throttling back on that after some backlash to a recent episode where his guest was a hardened MRA/RedPill dude who said "I'm glad Trayvon Martin is dead," but only time will tell.

Maddox's show has remained pretty much the same as Biggest Problem. He's still an irritating blowhard, but the worst he's ever done is invite on a 9/11 Truther (who was not really ever given the opportunity to spout his bullshit).

 

[Messofanego]

I thought he was a pretty liberal guy?

That's the first time I've heard someone describe him as a liberal I thought he was from the MRA, anti-feminist, conspiracy-prone crowd. The only time I liked his podcast was when he brought over a police officer who acknowledged BLM and racism in the police force.

 

[KRod-57]

The wage gap issue isn't clear cut at all. Plenty of legitimate sources, that have nothing to do with the alt-right, have shown that the gap is much lower than 78%.

The 78% number isn't supposed to represent the same work, however the overall pay gap being 78% is still a legit number. When comparing the pay gap for the same work the number is much smaller than 78% of the dollar that a man makes, but there is still a pay gap (between men and women)

I'll have to listen to Rogan's remarks myself before judging them, but it is wrong to say the pay gap between men and women is non-existent.

 

[Chumley]

It looks like he may be throttling back on that after some backlash to a recent episode where his guest was a hardened MRA/RedPill dude who said "I'm glad Trayvon Martin is dead," but only time will tell.

Holy shit, that's disgusting.

I'll give Maddox's new pod a try. I'd imagine part of what caused the split was Dick being so hardcore alt-right, Maddox has always been somewhat liberal from what I remember.

 

[Stinkles]

Many liberal-leaning publications have shown that when adjusting for education and hours worked, there's virtually no wage gap.

Men generally work longer hours. Men generally work more dangerous jobs. Those things result in a wage disparity.

Rogan has been a loud-mouthed know-nothing for a while.

Is that because they're lazy or cowardly, or do you think there are any other factors in play in your receipt free drive by?

 

[17 Seconds]

man who could have guessed that a ufc meathead would have those opinions

 

[Extollere]

The worst podcast I ever listened to in my entire life was this one where it was Joe Rogan, Sam Harris, and Hannibal Buress (but it wasn't Rogan's podcast). The guests were on because of some kind of scheduling overlap. Sam didn't know Hannibal, and Hannibal didn't know Sam. Hannibal was crazy drunk, and probably thought the comedy podcast was still rolling, while Harris did his intellectual book thing, and when the topic of race came up shit went straight bananas.

 

[Hjod]

It's been a long time comming.

But Bill for fuck sake, not you too.

 

[Obliterator]

The worst podcast I ever listened to in my entire life was this one where it was Joe Rogan, Sam Harris, and Hannibal Buress (but it wasn't Rogan's podcast). The guests were on because of some kind of scheduling overlap. Sam didn't know Hannibal, and Hannibal didn't know Sam. Hannibal was crazy drunk, and probably thought the comedy podcast was still rolling, while Harris did his intellectual book thing, and when the topic of race came up shit went straight bananas.

Lol I've heard that shit went insane. It's funny because I watched the podcast right before that which was Joe and Hannibal and they were getting SUPER drunk and by the end of it they were both clearly smashed. I heard Joe saying that afterwords they kept drinking and that Hannibal was gone and the whole next podcast which they weren't even supposed to be on totally went off the wall

 

[Chumley]

The worst podcast I ever listened to in my entire life was this one where it was Joe Rogan, Sam Harris, and Hannibal Buress (but it wasn't Rogan's podcast). The guests were on because of some kind of scheduling overlap. Sam didn't know Hannibal, and Hannibal didn't know Sam. Hannibal was crazy drunk, and probably thought the comedy podcast was still rolling, while Harris did his intellectual book thing, and when the topic of race came up shit went straight bananas.

I listened to that. It was crazy. I don't even get how Hannibal Burress could be friends with someone like Rogan, but they're comedians so whatever. Sam Harris is REALLY bad at reading people and situations, he did not know when to stop.

 

[ponpo]

The worst podcast I ever listened to in my entire life was this one where it was Joe Rogan, Sam Harris, and Hannibal Buress (but it wasn't Rogan's podcast). The guests were on because of some kind of scheduling overlap. Sam didn't know Hannibal, and Hannibal didn't know Sam. Hannibal was crazy drunk, and probably thought the comedy podcast was still rolling, while Harris did his intellectual book thing, and when the topic of race came up shit went straight bananas.

That podcast owned. Would have been way less shit if no one was drinking though.

I listened to that. It was crazy. I don't even get how Hannibal Burress could be friends with someone like Rogan, but they're comedians so whatever. Sam Harris is REALLY bad at reading people and situations, he did not know when to stop.

He's kind of robotic at times but people not letting him finish talking is what ruined this. Like when he was explaining how police shootings can range from dangerous situations where anyone in that position would have shot the suspect, to poorly trained literal racist cops who should be sent to prison, they were just interrupting him after giving half of that statement leading to a ruined discussion.

 

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I'll give Maddox's new pod a try. I'd imagine part of what caused the split was Dick being so hardcore alt-right, Maddox has always been somewhat liberal from what I remember.

Maddox's podcast is better, at least if you're the sort of person that loves to hate Maddox. The Dick Show is very hit or miss, and in this highly-politicized season they often forget that they're supposed to be funny. I still listen, and hope that once the election is over things will calm down a bit. Even more disappointing than seeing Dick's true character is the slow revelation that Sean (now working on both podcasts) seems to largely agree with Dick on most issues.

The death of Biggest Problem in the Universe was largely attributed to a private message between Dick and a Reddit user, wherein he badmouths Maddox for being an uptight asshole and killing the Titanic bit. The message was screencapped and posted to Reddit, which sent Maddox ballistic. Dick also partially blames the fallout on a time that he hooked up with one of Maddox's ex-girlfriends at a wedding. For the most part it just seems like two people with incompatible personalities slowly grew to hate each other over a long period of time.

 

[Chumley]

That podcast owned. Would have been way less shit if no one was drinking though.

And even if Harris was technically correct about everything he was saying, taking the "I, a white man, know more about the troubles of your community than you do" was a fucking mindbogglingly clueless approach to take with the extremely pissed off and drunk Hannibal. Though I think his typically robotic emotionless delivery is what set him off more than anything.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

It's been known that Rogan is an absolute idiot for a long while now. People thinking he has anything of value to add in social commentary are just disappointingly more daft than he is.

 

[darkace]

Is that because they're lazy or cowardly, or do you think there are any other factors in play in your receipt free drive by?

The pay gap is essentially the extent to which cultural and sociological factors play a part in shaping the educational, job and child-rearing decisions the different genders make. They choose different occupations, but whether or not its a 1:1 comparison is up for debate.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

Isn't it pretty much well established there is a difference between what men and women are paid in UFC? Like wasn't rousey one of the first to even remotely get paid what the dudes get paid?

Ronda Rousey would earn significantly more than the vast majority of men in that company due to her drawing power. That's what dictates pay in an attraction based sport.

 

[ponpo]

And even if Harris was technically correct about everything he was saying, taking the "I, a white man, know more about the troubles of your community than you do" was a fucking mindbogglingly clueless approach to take with the extremely pissed off and drunk Hannibal. Though I think his typically robotic emotionless delivery is what set him off more than anything.

Did he say anything like that? I don't remember anything besides the chaotic parts

 

[thepotatoman]

He's had Milo Yiannapolis on multiple times and Eddie Bravo, a guy who thinks Sandy Hook was faked and loves Trump, is on constantly. He panders to the alt-right crowd like crazy.

Makes sense to me.

I think Milo Yiannapolis and gamergate taught us that a lot of the alt-right crowd does label themselves as liberal, primarily because they disageree with republicans pandering to evangelicals and corporations and wish they strictly pandered to their non-religious racism and sexism.

 

[labx]

Joe Rogan is a douche in my book long time ago, but Bill Burr? God damn. He is funny but god he is a tool.

 

[fleck0]

It's been a long time comming.

But Bill for fuck sake, not you too.

I take some solace that on his own podcast Bill regularly states that he's an ignorant fool with an anger problem who doesn't go out of his way to read up on facts and has no idea what he's talking about. I feel like he says that at least every other week. Not the greatest excuse but I believe Bill when he says it.

Rogan has never been funny to me though I haven't seen much of him outside of Fear Factor and the Carlos Mencia youtube stuff.

 

[Chumley]

Did he say anything like that? I don't remember anything besides the chaotic parts

Nah, but his tone and way of talking to Hannibal made it come off that way and I can see why Hannibal got so pissed with him.

 

[The One and Done™]

Rogan is trash.

 

[Cronox]

Really depends on how lenient you are with alt-right shit. To me he might as well be all in on the juice when he has Milo on and says "I love the guy, he's a troll but I love him" and gets SUPER serious when they start talking about Leslie Jones making fun of white people. He said almost verbatim "why is she allowed to do that?". And then when Eddie Bravo starts ranting about Clinton he says "that's interesting" over and over again. Not to mention how much he rags on "SJW's" without a hint of irony.

Point is that depending on the day of the week, the shoe fits.

I guess I just don't see the point of simplifying things with labels, especially when these labels are code for "don't listen to this person"/"you should be shaming this person on social media," which I find shortsighted and unhelpful. But people will do what they want.

As for the Maddox discussion, I'm disappointed to hear about the reasons for his original show ending, as I greatly enjoyed it. The new one isn't the same, Dick and Maddox had great chemistry on the mic, regardless of what happened off it. Didn't even know Dick had a show, but in the end I don't want to listen to a podcast with just one of either of them.

 

[Holepunch]

As people have already pointed out, that 80% wage gap statistic is bullshit. Its closer to a 6% difference when compared job-to-job. His Trump handwaving was really fucking bad though.

 

[capitalCORN]

As people have already pointed out, that 80% wage gap statistic is bullshit. Its closer to a 6% difference when compared job-to-job. His Trump handwaving was really fucking bad though.

You're not disproving the wage gap however. And if you believe the smaller figure happened simply by osmosis...

 

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I think Milo Yiannapolis and gamergate taught us that a lot of the alt-right crowd does label themselves as liberal, primarily because they disageree with republicans pandering to evangelicals and corporations and wish they strictly pandered to their non-religious racism and sexism.

That seems to be a common sentiment I've heard in my inadvertent dabbling into alt-right media sources. People like Trump because they think he's going to rid the Republican party of its self-righteous, religious goodie-goodie slant and lay the groundwork for a completely secular party that favors personal liberties and small government.

Those people are in for a nasty surprise when they see how badly Trump loses without the Christian/Evangelical vote.

 

[Slayven]

Joe Rogan has always been really smart when talking about MMA and really, really stupid when talking about anything else.

Maybe he was playing himself on News Radio

 

[Chumley]

As people have already pointed out, that 80% wage gap statistic is bullshit. Its closer to a 6% difference when compared job-to-job. His Trump handwaving was really fucking bad though.

Even if it were true, 6% is not nothing.

 

[mreddie]

For those wondering why defend Trump, wasn't he on O&A a lot?

I feel a huge chunk of those guys are defending Trump because "he says it like it is"

That their style of comedy is under attack from the "PC" crowd.

 

[DasPenguin]

Isn't it pretty much well established there is a difference between what men and women are paid in UFC? Like wasn't rousey one of the first to even remotely get paid what the dudes get paid?

I think sports is a bad comparison. You would have to know how much the audience pays for fights. I would guess that the men are more popular, but don't know this for a fact.

But why I said sports is tricky: does somebody actually believe that NBA and WNBA players should make the same amount of money?

When fucking Bill Burr, a guy whose most popular routine is about how its okay to want to hit women, is telling you that you've gone too far....

And I don't think you understand stand up comedy, if you really think Burr thinks it's ok to hit women. I also don't know how you think that is his most popular joke.

 

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As for the Maddox discussion, I'm disappointed to hear about the reasons for his original show ending, as I greatly enjoyed it. The new one isn't the same, Dick and Maddox had great chemistry on the mic, regardless of what happened off it. Didn't even know Dick had a show, but in the end I don't want to listen to a podcast with just one of either of them.

I don't know how far you've gotten into Best Debate in the Universe, but the format and cast has been pretty significantly revised since the show started. Rucka Rucka Ali, Maddox's regular co-host, has done a pretty good job of stepping into Dick's role as provocateur and Maddox-baiter. He's not as funny as Dick, but he certainly knows how to push Maddox's buttons and make him look like the intransigent blowhard that he is. Conflict was what drove Biggest Problem, and that's not been lost in the new show.

The continuous problem with The Dick Show is that Dick refuses to challenge his guests or co-hosts on any claim they make. He understandably wants to be an amicable host but when your guests hold ridiculous and deplorable views, not challenging them makes you look like an accomplice rather than a fair-minded moderator.

 

[border]

Maybe he was playing himself on News Radio

I've always thought it was pretty astonishing how close Rogan is to the character he played on Newsradio. Especially considering that that character was pretty much devoted to lampooning and mocking the sort of viewpoint Rogan has as a nutball and conspiracy theorist.

Tubal cain.

 

[Obliterator]

Rogan is distancing himself further and further from conspiracy beliefs as well for the record. There was a time where he was big into it but he's almost done a complete 180 on it. He'll still dabble occasionally but he's not really a conspiracy guy for the most part anymore

 

[Messofanego]

I guess I just don't see the point of simplifying things with labels, especially when these labels are code for "don't listen to this person"/"you should be shaming this person on social media," which I find shortsighted and unhelpful. But people will do what they want.

You want to give the benefit of the doubt to Milo of all people? The same dude who shamed/racially harassed Leslie Jones off Twitter while Joe Rogan and Milo get outraged that she makes jokes about white people.

 

[Holepunch]

You're not disproving the wage gap however. And if you believe the smaller figure happened simply by osmosis...

Even if it were true, 6% is not nothing.

Yes, but in the podcast Joe specifically mentions arguing with a friend who was using the 80% statistic. I know I'm giving Joe too much credit here, but that misrepresentation stat really needs to die.

If a woman finds she's making 94% compared to her male coworkers, she should be asking for a raise, not thinking shes making "more than average" thanks to that joke of a statistic.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Rogan is distancing himself further and further from conspiracy beliefs as well for the record. There was a time where he was big into it but he's almost done a complete 180 on it. He'll still dabble occasionally but he's not really a conspiracy guy for the most part anymore

That's good but it's still incredibly embarrassing for a 40+ year old to have been into them. Like if he was 20 I'd maybe give him a pass for just being a general young moron, but middle-aged? Nah, he's cemented his idiocy by that age. Seems a common fad with these comedians. They get so used to being able to say whatever they want because they have the fanbase to defend them, then they let leak out all the garbage they actually believe.

 

[JasonUresti]

Joe Rogan:Irrefutable proof that you can smoke too much weed.

 

[Obliterator]

You want to give the benefit of the doubt to Milo of all people? The same dude who shamed/racially harassed Leslie Jones off Twitter while Joe Rogan and Milo get outraged that she makes jokes about white people.

Joe also ranted at length how furious he was over the way she was treated and he and Leslie are friends in real life.

Milo is scum though I can agree with that

 

[Joe]

Someone that shares Breitbart news to 2 million Twitter followers is probably super liberal.

I mean, coming to the defense of Milo Yiannopoulos and proclaiming to the world that he was unjustly banned from Twitter for simply writing a bad review of Ghostbusters is one of the most progressive things I've witnessed in 2016.

The liberal hero we don't deserve.

 

[Chumley]

Someone that shares Breitbart news to 2 million Twitter followers is probably super liberal.

I mean, coming to the defense of Milo Yiannopoulos and proclaiming to the world that he was unjustly banned from Twitter for simply writing a bad review of Ghostbusters is one of the most progressive things I've witnessed in 2016.



The liberal hero we don't deserve.

lmao his Twitter makes it too easy to destroy the "liberal" angle, I was just too lazy to dig up some golden nuggets.

 

[capitalCORN]

If a woman finds she's making 94% compared to her male coworkers, she should be asking for a raise, not thinking shes making "more than average" thanks to that joke of a statistic.

Asking other people about their earnings is strictly considered inappropriate in most environments, in particular corporations. And negotiations take place on a one on one basis, and treated as a vacuum. A woman will be given a figure that's decided on whatever their superiors deem, and simply can't negotiate another 6% on the basis of outside statistics. The fact that there's consistency to that statistic shows there's intrinsic bias in the system.

 

[Arkeband]

GAF has a "Joe Rogan Freakout" thread every month or so, and I have no idea what the catalyst is. It's like one forum member wakes up one day and decides Joe Rogan is public enemy #1 and has to alert everyone so that people don't start listening to his podcast and turn into Trump voters, and then everyone argues over whether Rogan is a liberal or a conservative until the thread gets locked.

What's the point, seriously?

 

[Cronox]

I don't know how far you've gotten into Best Debate in the Universe, but the format and cast has been pretty significantly revised since the show started. Rucka Rucka Ali, Maddox's regular co-host, has done a pretty good job of stepping into Dick's role as provocateur and Maddox-baiter. He's not as funny as Dick, but he certainly knows how to push Maddox's buttons and make him look like the intransigent blowhard that he is. Conflict was what drove Biggest Problem, and that's not been lost in the new show.

The continuous problem with The Dick Show is that Dick refuses to challenge his guests or co-hosts on any claim they make. He understandably wants to be an amicable host but when your guests hold ridiculous and deplorable views, not challenging them makes you look like an accomplice rather than a fair-minded moderator.

Hmm I haven't listened since episode 5. I'll give it another go.

You want to give the benefit of the doubt to Milo of all people? The same dude who shamed/racially harassed Leslie Jones off Twitter while Joe Rogan and Milo get outraged that she makes jokes about white people.

I'm talking about Rogan here, not Milo. It's pretty clear where Milo stands. I don't buy the "he had this guy on the podcast so he incriminated himself" angle. Joe has had hundreds of guests on, including very liberal ones. Milo isn't the only guest who's said crazy shit either.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Does Joe Rogan even do comedy anymore? I mean, he wasn't particularly funny to begin with, but now he doesn't seem to be trying. It's more laughing at him than with.

 

[Hycran]

Even if it were true, 6% is not nothing.

The last time I saw it, there was an estimated 4%-6% gap which I believe is likely to be accurate. That being said, it's also hard for me to square up sometimes when I consider that every job i've ever worked at, I got paid as much as the women I work with. Some people have attributed it to lack of negotiating wherewithal, I doubt it is that simple.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

GAF has a "Joe Rogan Freakout" thread every month or so, and I have no idea what the catalyst is. It's like one forum member wakes up one day and decides Joe Rogan is public enemy #1 and has to alert everyone so that people don't start listening to his podcast and turn into Trump voters, and then everyone argues over whether Rogan is a liberal or a conservative until the thread gets locked.

What's the point, seriously?

I don't know. What was the point of you posting this?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I take some solace that on his own podcast Bill regularly states that he's an ignorant fool with an anger problem who doesn't go out of his way to read up on facts and has no idea what he's talking about. I feel like he says that at least every other week. Not the greatest excuse but I believe Bill when he says it.

You guys need to surround yourself with better people in your one life. You choose this over anyone else you could be listening to instead?

 

[Conkersbadfurday]

You guys need to surround yourself with better people in your one life. You choose this over anyone else you could be listening to instead?

In defense of Bill Burr, he's really fucking funny. I wish I had time to listen to his podcast on the regular. Plus, it was the only time I learned things about sports.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

Joe has that nuanced subtle politics like South Park and anime avatars.

Woah woah woah.

 

[Chumley]

GAF has a "Joe Rogan Freakout" thread every month or so, and I have no idea what the catalyst is. It's like one forum member wakes up one day and decides Joe Rogan is public enemy #1 and has to alert everyone so that people don't start listening to his podcast and turn into Trump voters, and then everyone argues over whether Rogan is a liberal or a conservative until the thread gets locked.

What's the point, seriously?

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