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[Audioboxer]

Just cause I've seen my name mentioned twice now, EmpressInYellow doesn't need to reply to me. Both of us are just sharing thoughts on a complex issue and that's really it. Just don't want them thinking they have to be forced to respond to some post I made

Caitlyn has been such a topic of conversation that seems to have gone beyond transistion, but also revolves around the conversation that arose around her supporters and haters as well as the other things in her life. And so many people have taken a stab at her.
A good interview with Senifeld on Seth Meyers talk about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXDHjwaUtPI

But you also have someone like Bill Burr who takes it in a different direction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsOJnMvxZVg

Seinfield isn't wrong in what he says, but it is true soo many people incorrectly moan about PC. Even I admit social justice very much has a place and at times an important one. Just because there's examples of batshit crazy people doesn't speak for everyone. Hula girl, Hugh Mungus and whatever other caricature you can bring up would exist as fucking mental people without the internet even existing and needing buzzwords for them. As we know the internet has brought about camera phone videos being sent out for all to view. At least Seinfield pretty much just said I ain't doing Uni tours and never has. Stuck to his convictions and leaves it at that.

Seinfield is lukewarm on the pushing the boundaries compared to Carlin anyway. Or I guess a "modern version" of Carlin could be Jim Jeffries. Although he's nowhere near as funny or good as Carlin. He's the master of our times. IMO of course. Shame he's not with us anymore.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Because Dunning accused Rogan of peddling pseudo-science and conspiracy theories, and that's what the episode is about. I don't think Dunning's legal troubles were mentioned whatsoever.

I see. It's a shame that Brian Dunning is such a public face of skepticism, dude has little credibility...

 

[EmpressInYellow]

Regarding this topic, most of is not all, I'd be interested in your response regarding the outliers relating to this issue. If you are informed regarding the IOC and bone density and muscle mass, surely there is a point before and during treatment at which it is not ok to compete?

Afterwards I'm guessing that you'd have to make a declaration too? (Which I understand Fox did not do for her first two professional fights)

I don't think that particular issue is as black and white as you're making it out to be, and I've yet to see someone who is trans comment on these sorts of questions.

I don't necessarily think it's black and white. I think it's actually somewhat complicated. But that's the point - it's complicated, thus a lot more nuanced than can be boiled down to Rogan's bullshit binary statements based on high school biology.

I've heard this before and Audioboxer already made a post to you regarding this video in this thread. I agree with what he had to say. I get that you're upset at the guy's phrasing and I'm not trying to imply he is an oracle for the youth, but I don't think he's "spouting transphobic garbage" at all.

First, my apologies - I was getting the clip Audioboxer posted confused with something else. But yeah, there's a lot of really ignorant shit in that clip.

I mean, look. I'm even willing to accept the premise that his intentions are, on the whole, good. But let's pick out a few examples here:

The implication that Jenner is doing this for attention
Repeatedly calling Jenner "he"
Talking about how Jenner crashed her car into a car driven by "a real woman"
Talking about how Bailey Jay is "as close to a real woman" as a trans person is likely to get
Talking about how Bailey Jay "tricked" one of the other commentators
Their ignorant discussion about how "You don't think it's weird that at 65 years old you get a boob job?"

And that's just the trans-specific stuff. Don't get me started on their deeply tedious whining about people being mean to them if they have "different opinions" (one of them, not Rogan, had the fucking audacity to actually use the word "lynching", which I thought was pretty ballsy.)

I mean, I don't know how tuned-in you are to trans stuff, but that's all pretty fucked up. No matter how much you try to soften it with caveats like "Be whoever you want to be" and "I don't care" and "I'm not transphobic", that crap isn't cool, and it goes beyond "phrasing".

EDIT: Oh, god, I forgot about this part where he talks about how people's new names and proper pronouns should be the subject of debate and discussion. Cool, Joe. Cool.

 

[jeemer]

I don't necessarily think it's black and white. I think it's actually somewhat complicated. But that's the point - it's complicated, thus a lot more nuanced than can be boiled down to Rogan's bullshit binary statements based on high school biology.

That's cool, I agree. The vast majority of people seem to treat it as a black and white issue and shy away from recognising that it's complicated and openly discussing it, which I see as really important in educating others.

First, my apologies - I was getting the clip Audioboxer posted confused with something else. But yeah, there's a lot of really ignorant shit in that clip.

...

I mean, look. I'm even willing to accept the premise that his intentions are, on the whole, good. But let's pick out a few examples here

No need to apologise at all, this thread was moving fast yesterday!

I'm not trying to make excuses for Rogan - I definitely agree that some his phrasing in that video is undoubtedly ignorant, but I do also think he has good intentions and just isn't very educated on the topic.

No doubt it's unfortunate when people frame their discussion on these issues in insensitive/ignorant ways, especially in a medium like a massive podcast. It takes time for issues like these to be fully addressed in the public consciousness though, and while discussion and education goes on I think it's important to recognise ignorance that requires eduction and avoid branding it as phobia with negative intent behind it. These are often complex issues where it is easy to offend - like trans athletes in combat sports, I definitely see the gender pronoun issue as tricky to discuss without offending people. As for myself, I wouldn't claim to be massively tuned into trans issues - I had a close trans friend who I enjoyed discussing these topics with, but unfortunately we have both moved away in opposite directions and he has limited internet access so we rarely speak nowadays.

What frustrates me is seeing people being called ___phobic (particularly online) without concrete evidence, because I think it's easy to thoughtlessly plaster someone with a label like that. I'm gay and I see this happening myself when other gay (or even straight) folks try to call someone out for "blatant homophobia" when I can see they're blowing things out of proportion so that they get to look progressive without having to back it up. I definitely feel like some people use their sexuality or gender identity as a shield so that they can make sweeping generalised statements without feeling obliged to discuss the issues, so I think it's important people are challenged when they want to make claims like that.

I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to answer and explain your feelings on the matter, thank you.

 

[Joe]

https://www.twitter.com/katiecouric/status/798634444374425600/video/1

President of the Southern Poverty Law Center:

"The alt-right is just a rebranding of white supremacy for the digital-age and Bannon (Breitbart) is proud of the fact that he's been a platform for it."


After all this press about Bannon, the alt-right, and Breitbart, it's going to be very interesting to see if Rogan continues giving a podcast platform to alt-right advocates and sharing Breitbart Twitter links to his massive audiences.

 

[Joe]

https://www.twitter.com/katiecouric/status/798634444374425600/video/1

President of the Southern Poverty Law Center:

"The alt-right is just a rebranding of white supremacy for the digital-age and Bannon (Breitbart) is proud of the fact that he's been a platform for it."


After all this press about Bannon, the alt-right, and Breitbart, it's going to be very interesting to see if Rogan continues giving a podcast platform to alt-right advocates and sharing Breitbart Twitter links to his massive audiences.

Lol.

http://www.vox.com/culture/2016/10/25/13341168/pepe-the-frog-alt-right-scott-adams

Dilbert creator Scott Adams is an unlikely alt-right hero
Dilbert has long been known for its satirical takes on the doldrums of office life. But the real-life views of its creator have proven increasingly controversial.

In recent years, Adams has been the subject of backlash for a number of different reasons, which include creating a fake forum account to defend an op-ed he wrote chastising B-level students; writing and then deleting a blog post in which he compared women to children and the mentally handicapped; and coming out as a staunch Donald Trump supporter. As a result, he’s become something of a cult hero within the alt-right movement, a role he has fully embraced.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Lol.

http://www.vox.com/culture/2016/10/25/13341168/pepe-the-frog-alt-right-scott-adams

"Powerful"? As in within alt-right circles? Because Dilbert certainly isn't a powerful comic. Wrote off Rogan a while ago so he can continue to wallow in the dump with the alt-right.

 

[Lowmelody]

#shockednotshocked

 

[Forsaken82]

Isn't it pretty much well established there is a difference between what men and women are paid in UFC? Like wasn't rousey one of the first to even remotely get paid what the dudes get paid?

I think that had more to do with the celebrity pull she had with bringing in viewers than it did with her being a woman...

I'm sure no name male fighters get paid just as shitty as no name female fighters. Like any sport, the better you are and the more bankable you are the more you get paid. You aren't going to get paid if you can't bring in the audience.

Before Rousey, can you even name a female fighter in UFC that pulled in the same viewership as someone like Anderson Silva? I Guess the question would be does Rousey's earnings per fight compare to someone like Conor McGregor.

 

[Moofers]

I like Rogan but I don't understand why he has the dilbert guy on. I didn't understand having Milo on either, but I heard that one before I even knew who Milo was and I just figured he was some asshole that Rogan gets a kick out of for some reason. Still don't really understand it.

And yeah, Rogan citing Brietbart really makes me roll my eyes. He should know better.

 

[Lowmelody]

Rogan is a modern miracle of science, a fully transparent block of meat.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Rogan is a modern miracle of science, a fully transparent block of meat.

Haha fantastic!

 

[-MD-]

"Powerful"? As in within alt-right circles? Because Dilbert certainly isn't a powerful comic. Wrote off Rogan a while ago so he can continue to wallow in the dump with the alt-right.

Powerful as in he calls everything and everyone powerful, it's his thing.

 

[HStallion]

Rogan is a modern miracle of science, a fully transparent block of meat.

Don't forget heavy on the salt.

 

[getbuff]

"Powerful"? As in within alt-right circles? Because Dilbert certainly isn't a powerful comic. Wrote off Rogan a while ago so he can continue to wallow in the dump with the alt-right.

He says powerful about every guest, though.

 

[Bubbavelli]

Don't forget heavy on the salt.

So hes just a can of spam?

 

[Gnome]

Scott Adams is a joke, as is anyone who hangs any authority on claiming to be a "genius".

 

[Bad_Boy]

such a shame. i used to like rogan. then i grew up.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

He says powerful about every guest, though.

I'm getting a lot of pleasure from Joe Rogan using usually feminist vernacular to describe his guests.

 

[notworksafe]

"Powerful"? As in within alt-right circles? Because Dilbert certainly isn't a powerful comic. Wrote off Rogan a while ago so he can continue to wallow in the dump with the alt-right.

https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/796467494730940416
https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/795707567263645708
https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/790752919549337600
https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/777211716572774404

He says powerful about every guest and is usually mocked for saying it when he has comedians on. He uses it in a stoner/hippie way to describe the aura of power in people or some shit.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

So hes just a can of spam?

Transparent spam.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Powerful as in he calls everything and everyone powerful, it's his thing.

He says powerful about every guest, though.

https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/796467494730940416
https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/795707567263645708
https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/790752919549337600
https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/777211716572774404

He says powerful about every guest and is usually mocked for saying it when he has comedians on. He uses it in a stoner/hippie way to describe the aura of power in people or some shit.

Ah I see I see. Stuck to his YouTube channel when I did watch him so this is new to me lol

 

[FStop7]

Ah I see I see. Stuck to his YouTube channel when I did watch him so this is new to me lol

The name of his Youtube channel is powerfuljre.

 

[Henkka]

I'm getting a lot of pleasure from Joe Rogan using usually feminist vernacular to describe his guests.

...what?

Btw I take back everything about Joe being skeptically minded, the latest show was all about lost civilizations, atlantis and talking to aliens by taking DMT lmao

 

[EdibleKnife]

The name of his Youtube channel is powerfuljre.

And like with a lot of YT channels I thought it was just his quirky channel name rather than a pattern

 

[Raonak]

Rogan is great, but quite uninformed/ignorant at times, he even admits that.

 

[BSsBrolly]

Anytime Rogan talks politics, I fast forward. Dude tends to be ignorant as fuck.

 

[Obliterator]

...what?

Btw I take back everything about Joe being skeptically minded, the latest show was all about lost civilizations, atlantis and talking to aliens by taking DMT lmao

And it was a fantastic episode. I don't agree with really any of that, but the best part of his podcast is he has some fascinatingly interesting people on there.

Rogans podcast should be listened to just as a massive range of topics with a huge range of guests. Joe isn't a genius by any means but I respect his desire to learn / dive into as much stuff as possible. The point isn't to just agree with Joe and everything his guests talk about.

 

[Calm Mind]

Only a fool would entertain another fool. Or defend them for that matter.