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Is it still ok to purchase 1080p TV's or should I go 4K?

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Shadowhaxor

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Alright, here's the deal. I need to reply my aging an apparently dying TV in my bedroom. It's an old Sony Bravia I got back when Circuit City was still around. I have a 40 inch Panny Plasma (720p) in my Living Room and I'm thinking about moving it to the bedroom, along with the FireTV Box and calling it a day.

That leaves me with replacing the TV in the Living Room. Currently, the family uses it for cable, watching Netflix, Amazon TV and a bunch of other streaming services. There's an Xbox 360, PlayStation 4, Wii U and a Raspberry PI emulator box out there for gaming. At the moment I'm torn as I can get a 40 inch 4K Samsung for $500-600 or a 50-inch 1080p smart tv for the same price. I already have a 40 inch 4K in my office for game reviews, testing, etc and I honestly don't think 4K is at the point where I need it in my Living Room. My mancave, sure, but I already have a 55-inch plasma down there and won't replace it until it died.

The wife told me I have until tomorrow to decide or the offer to replace anything is off the table... how nice of her. I'm leaning towards the 1080p as I don't think 4k is there yet in regards to the standards and would love to get a better 4K later down the line. I also think that I'd be the only one to actual give a shit about the technological leap. I'm not a 4K pro yet, and I know there're some people here more versed in it than I, so what do think I should lean towards?
 
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Poimandres

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I think buying a new 1080p TV is not a good idea. Maybe look at the Sony X800D 49inch for a good price/size based on what you're looking for. Your family might not be all about the 4K, but these new TV's have cool stuff like Android TV and a Netflix button (decent amount of 4K content on Netflix as well).
 
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superbeau

Neo Member
Depends on the level of picture quality you care about. The best TVs are 4K now. If you're watching a mix of television, movies, & games it might be worth the upgrade. I would look on rtings.com and see what you feel like paying for
 
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UpUpDownDown

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4k is nothing like the change from CRT/SD to LCD/HD.

It's a sales pitch, next year they'll find something else to sell you, just like 3D, 120hz, 240hz, HDR (standard A,B or C) etc.
 
Golgo 13

Golgo 13

The Man With The Golden Dong
I'd go 4K. If you're investing in a new TV, why not buy one that's going to be capable of handling the next 5-10 years of content? Nothing wrong with 1080p but 4K is coming, like it or not.
 
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Sword Of Doom

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UpUpDownDown said:
4k is nothing like the change from CRT/SD to LCD/HD.

It's a sales pitch, next year they'll find something else to sell you, just like 3D, 120hz, HDR (standard A,B or C) etc.
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Resolution is different though. If it's going to become the next standard they're not going to just drop 4K and go back to 1080p
 
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jmelons

Member
4k isn't a game changer. You want HDR, which will also happen to be 4k. If you're using Netflix and Amazon Prime already, both of those have good sized libraries (Amazon has more, I believe,) of 4k HDR content. Go 4K HDR.
 
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alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
Get a big 1080p now. Wait for the HDR standards, input latency, and OLED tech to standardize/get cheaper.
 
Kai Ozu

Kai Ozu

Member
After seeing 4k and using it at my parents house for the last 2 weeks I can definitely say there is no going back.
 
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Max_Po

Banned
if you strictly play on Consoles like me, you are wasting your time on 4k.

The consoles are not powerful enough for 4k and my logic is that going to 4k now is asking for console peasantry .....

you will be down to 30 fps and I mean developers are trying to achieve 30 fps ......

meaning you will be gaming in less than 30 fps....


I have been touched by 60 fps.... its bad enough develops are 30 fps at 1080p....

I got a PS4 pro only for 1080p bell and whistles...
 
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Razlo

Member
Considering how long a TV lasts, I personally wouldn't get anything but a 4K TV if I needed a replacement.
 
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Poimandres

Member
UpUpDownDown said:
4k is nothing like the change from CRT/SD to LCD/HD.

It's a sales pitch, next year they'll find something else to sell you, just like 3D, 120hz, 240hz, HDR (standard A,B or C) etc.
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I agree that 4K isn't as big of a leap as SD > HD was, but you're kidding yourself if you think it is just a flash in the pan. It's going to be the new standard for a good few years. There are other technologies that are still developing that should be factored in (HDR) but 4K is here to stay.
 
DreadfulOmen

DreadfulOmen

Member
Shadowhaxor said:
Alright, here's the deal. I need to reply my aging an apparently dying TV in my bedroom. It's an old Sony Bravia I got back when Circuit City was still around. I have a 40 inch Panny Plasma (720p) in my Living Room and I'm thinking about moving it to the bedroom, along with the FireTV Box and calling it a day.

That leaves me with replacing the TV in the Living Room. Currently, the family uses it for cable, watching Netflix, Amazon TV and a bunch of other streaming services. There's an Xbox 360, PlayStation 4, Wii U and a Raspberry PI emulator box out there for gaming. At the moment I'm torn as I can get a 40 inch 4K Samsung for $500-600 or a 50-inch 1080p smart tv for the same price. I already have a 40 inch 4K in my office for game reviews, testing, etc and I honestly don't think 4K is at the point where I need it in my Living Room. My mancave, sure, but I already have a 55-inch plasma down there and won't replace it until it died.

The wife told me I have until tomorrow to decide or the offer to replace anything is off the table... how nice of her. I'm leaning towards the 1080p as I don't think 4k is there yet in regards to the standards and would love to get a better 4K later down the line. I also think that I'd be the only one to actual give a shit about the technological leap. I'm not a 4K pro yet, and I know there're some people here more versed in it than I, so what do think I should lean towards?
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you answered your own question. Me, personally i would go 4k. you can find deals on decent 50' 4k tvs for 500-600 if you look around.
 
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Shadowhaxor

Member
99Luffy said:
Are you american?
You should do some more shopping, you can definitely get decent 50" 4K Tvs for $500.
This one for example. Yeah its Hisense, but the brand is on the up and up. You'll probably be seeing OLEDs from them pretty soon in the NA market.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01E6PGT90/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I only play regular HD content on my 4K tv but the upscaling alone looks amazing.
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I am American, though at the moment I don't know if I should be proud of that. I saw the Hisense and looked them up on Rting a while ago. Was fairly decent. I also checked out some reviews on it on Youtube and most came away impressed. I just looked and I can get it for $400, thanks to credits I have with the local Bestbuy.

jabberwocker said:
The op can get a decent 4K hdr for $500 on bf. /
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Some of them are doing the BF sales now.
 
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Madness

Member
There is literally no reason to buy a 1080p television in 2016. Even a budget 4K model is a better investment. It is an almost waste of a purchase. Over 110+ UHD blu-ray to buy on Amazon, Netflix, Amazon and YouTube are increasing 4k content at a fast pace. Both major consoles can output at 4K. Native content will take a while.

There is literally no good 1080p television this year. Almost every television is either budget 4k or flagship 4K. Don't waste your purchase. At $600, you can find many 4K sets like the 50" Hisense 4K with HDR which will destroy whatever set you are thinking of.
 
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Wowfunhappy

Member
I'd argue it's not only okay but also advisable, unless you have a really large budget.

UpUpDownDown said:
Who's 'they' exactly?
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Content producers.

4K isn't going anywhere—although its advantages for film are HIGHLY debatable unless you're buying actual BluRays as opposed to streaming.
 
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Jimrpg

Member
There's only a 10-20% difference in price between a 4k and 1080p TV in Australia, so I would just get the 4k.
 
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Madness

Member
Wowfunhappy said:
I'd argue it's not only okay but also advisable, unless you have a really large budget.

Content producers.

4K isn't going anywhere—although its advantages for film are HIGHLY debatable unless you're buying actual BluRays as opposed to streaming.
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Says who? Watch Ghostbusters 2 on Netflix streaming in 4K. See the new remaster. In fact, 4K even helps 1080p look better with the new remasters that downsample to 1080p. Otherwise, once you see native 4K content, everything below looks like gutter trash.

Wait till you see your first UHD blu-ray with HDR. 1080p is a dead format. It would die sooner if people wouldn't wilfully ignore the superiority of 4K. It's like the people would say 480p DVD looks similar to 1080p blu-ray.
 
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UpUpDownDown

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Madness said:
Says who? Watch Ghostbusters 2 on Netflix streaming in 4K. See the new remaster. In fact, 4K even helps 1080p look better with the new remasters that downsample to 1080p. Otherwise, once you see native 4K content, everything below looks like gutter trash.

Wait till you see your first UHD blu-ray with HDR. 1080p is a dead format. It would die sooner if people wouldn't wilfully ignore the superiority of 4K. It's like the people would say 480p DVD looks similar to 1080p blu-ray.
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(New) Ghostbusters wasn't even shot in 4k :|

Oh part 2? The original film scan was probably 2048x1556 (that would be the full aperture plate, it would then be trimmed for formats) actually.

I remember film scans being much larger when I started in film 16 years ago, believe it or not. We delivered bigger too. Digital changed a lot of shit.

These days it's usually just 1080 out.
 
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Madness

Member
UpUpDownDown said:
Ghostbusters wasn't even shot in 4k :|

Oh part 2? The original film scan was probably 2048x1556 actually.

I remember film scans being much larger when I started in film 16 years ago, believe it or not.
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The person said 4K advantages are debatable for film, especially for streaming purposes...
 
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Chamber

love on your sleeve
You can get a decent 50" 4K set for $500 that's going to be superior to whatever 1080p sets are sitting on store shelves right now. Most websites don't even review 1080p sets anymore. I can't believe folks here are actually recommending one.
 
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spannicus

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Shadowhaxor said:
Alright, here's the deal. I need to reply my aging an apparently dying TV in my bedroom. It's an old Sony Bravia I got back when Circuit City was still around. I have a 40 inch Panny Plasma (720p) in my Living Room and I'm thinking about moving it to the bedroom, along with the FireTV Box and calling it a day.

That leaves me with replacing the TV in the Living Room. Currently, the family uses it for cable, watching Netflix, Amazon TV and a bunch of other streaming services. There's an Xbox 360, PlayStation 4, Wii U and a Raspberry PI emulator box out there for gaming. At the moment I'm torn as I can get a 40 inch 4K Samsung for $500-600 or a 50-inch 1080p smart tv for the same price. I already have a 40 inch 4K in my office for game reviews, testing, etc and I honestly don't think 4K is at the point where I need it in my Living Room. My mancave, sure, but I already have a 55-inch plasma down there and won't replace it until it died.

The wife told me I have until tomorrow to decide or the offer to replace anything is off the table... how nice of her. I'm leaning towards the 1080p as I don't think 4k is there yet in regards to the standards and would love to get a better 4K later down the line. I also think that I'd be the only one to actual give a shit about the technological leap. I'm not a 4K pro yet, and I know there're some people here more versed in it than I, so what do think I should lean towards?
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On the 25th bestbuy will have a 50 inch toshiba 4k tv with chromecase for 199 dollars. Told my sister about it. Costco has a great sale on Vizio sets and most other retailers will get you a decent tv for a great price for the next few days. Good luck and enjoy whatever you choose.
 
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Madness

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Chamber said:
You can get a decent 50" 4K set for $500 that's going to be superior to whatever 1080p sets are sitting on store shelves right now. Most websites don't even review 1080p sets anymore. I can't believe folks here are actually recommending one.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FWIEO6A/?tag=neogaf0e-20

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hisense...h-dynamic-range-black/4982500.p?skuId=4982500

http://www.target.com/p/samsung-un50ku6300-50-smart-uhd-4k-120-motion-rate-tv/-/A-50714354

Same. Makes no sense why so many are recommending a 1080p set in 2016. Would be money down the drain in my opinion. 2016 1080p televisions are garbage. Any of these sets will give you years of future proofing and a vastly improved picture.
 
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jrcbandit

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jmelons said:
4k isn't a game changer. You want HDR, which will also happen to be 4k. If you're using Netflix and Amazon Prime already, both of those have good sized libraries (Amazon has more, I believe,) of 4k HDR content. Go 4K HDR.
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HDR is only a game changer when it is done well, on mid level 4k sets it just isn't that impressive. For the wow factor HDR, you basically need something like the Samsung KS8000 (or better) or an LG OLED that can get really bright.

As for what TV to get, you should look for a good Black Friday special for a 49 or 55 inch 4k screen. Might as well get one that last a few years, don't worry too much about HDR unless you spend the money on a high end screen, although a fantastic HDR set for "cheap" is the the 55 inch Samsung KS8000 if you are willing to spend $1000 or $800-900 if you get lucky with a deal (like employee discount program). Before you buy a set, see if it is has been reviewed on Rtings.com. For gaming purposes, you want a TV with low input lag at 1080p and 4k. 20-34 ms range is what you want.

If you don't care about HDR that much, there are a number of good 55 inch 4k TVs in the $500-650 range. As a cheap smaller TV, I just got the 40 inch Samsung KU6290 from Best Buy for like $290 for my home office. The HDR in it isn't very good, but otherwise the picture is fantastic and it has low input lag for gaming (use it to play PS4 Pro and PC).
 
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UpUpDownDown

Member
jrcbandit said:
..but otherwise the picture is fantastic and it has low input lag for gaming (use it to play PS4 Pro and PC).
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Input lag is a good metric OP. Regardless, don't get a TV with poor input lag.

Seeing people throw words like trash and garbage around when talking about HD TVs should also give you a hint about how hyperbolic 4k users are when talking about their TV's.
 
Nocturno999

Nocturno999

Member
Not enough content and still not worthy hardware for a 4k TV. You also need great download speeds for streaming.

A good TV with low input lag is still too expensive.
 
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fixuis

Member
Much like all other tech, this race to get the latest and greatest is never going to stop. These K's will never stop. Watch them try to sell you 8k in a year or two .. already some talk about it.
 
Rbk_3

Rbk_3

Member
theytookourjobz said:
All of the sudden all 1080p screens are garbage now. Love this thread lol.
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Well, if you are buying a 1080p, you are buying a low end set, with low end panels, and low end features. A high end 1080p from a few years ago is going to be better than a 1080p you can buy now.
Anything mid range or above is going to be 4k, so, yeah.
 
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