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Gun store owners 'seeing up to four times as many black and minority customers'

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Jonm1010

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I remember this statistic and it's why I'm so nervous about this. My heart says to ask myself while my brain says I shouldn't. To be fair, my reasoning isn't one for home defense but self defense period.

We don't have kids (yet) so it's a big reason I consider it.

I know my thoughts but I won't pretend to have the right answer for everyone.

Personally from what I have read, what my own research into the subject has told me, a gun almost always increases, not decreases personal risk in most situations. It creates a false sense of power that leads to its own problems. I used to be a gun owner, still do deep down have a fascination with them for sport and am not against going to the range with friends. But I no longer have any in my home. Both through my studying on the subject that changed my views and a personal experience that put a frightening anecdote to the evidence I was absorbing.

But a lot of that data would rightfully go out the window to an extent if say, there was a major uptick in white nationalist murders in a particular area where its clear any attack is built on purpose.

But on a macro scale, more guns tends to correlate to more gun violence. So what sounds good to an individual ultimately means the whole of the society is less safe if everyone pursues that personal viewpoint. Its a sort of Paradox of Thrift, but for guns.
 

bebop242

Member
Can't say I blame them. I hate guns but am pondering if I should do the same. The trajectory of this country is scary as hell.
 

AYF 001

Member
Statistics say you are increasing risk to your family with a gun in the home more then reducing it.

True, but that's assuming your personal baseline risk level is the average in the study. If the level of risk in your surroundings increases, couldn't there be a point where a gun would actually serve in reducing the elevated risk levels?
 
Sadly gun ownership isn't the answer unless the question is how can we increase gun violence. Like gun ownership is seen as being a more sensible way of stating your rights in a democracy than voting.
 

Jonm1010

Banned
True, but that's assuming your personal baseline risk level is the average in the study. If the level of risk in your surroundings increases, couldn't there be a point where a gun would actually serve in reducing the elevated risk levels?

I haven't seen much evidence to this.

Mind you, I am not and most of these studies are not just talking about external threats, but internal as well. I don't think I have met a gun owner who thought they weren't stable, responsible gun owners, yet the numbers keep coming out about increased risk of assault, suicide, homicide and situational escalation from gun owners vs non-gun owners.

I think if you are talking about trade offs, you would probably more safe from intruders investing in reinforced doors on a closet or something that has a line to call authorities or wait out til they are gone.
 
First, god damn 100?

Any pistol recommendations while you're at it? Even though the Glock advertisement for the Olympic was tone death. . it looked really nice.

My granspappy was fucking nuts. He literally hoarded guns. He left me and my cousin just under 600 guns. I miss him.

My cousin is holding everything in his trailer, I'll take pictures tomorrow when we go. It's insane, last I was there it was literally just a room full of guns, wall to wall.

I like the Glock 18c, is heavy and kicks but even just there look of it is scary.
 
But do you have the men to use them?

Why so many bro?

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He wasn't even since tyranny of the government crazy person, he just really, really liked guns.

It's pretty much entirely old hunting rifles and shotguns.
 
Not progressives, but communists in Austin, Texas have already decided to take up arms to intimidate 'White Lives Matter' protesters.

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Make Racists Afraid Again is a great slogan. I want the hat

This reminds me of the Chris Rock joke on SNL where he said that he was pro gun control until he heard the angry and violent response to it and realized he needed a gun haha
 
My granspappy was fucking nuts. He literally hoarded guns. He left me and my cousin just under 600 guns. I miss him.

My cousin is holding everything in his trailer, I'll take pictures tomorrow when we go. It's insane, last I was there it was literally just a room full of guns, wall to wall.

I like the Glock 18c, is heavy and kicks but even just there look of it is scary.



Lol even Glock knows there target audience for first time gun owners

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I can't make this up
 

Rayis

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I am suddenly a fan of the second amendment, minorities should be able to protect themselves especially with this tense racial climate, defend ourselves from racists at all costs.

still not owning a gun
 

AYF 001

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I haven't seen much evidence to this.

Mind you, I am not and most of these studies are not just talking about external threats, but internal as well. I don't think I have met a gun owner who thought they weren't stable, responsible gun owners, yet the numbers keep coming out about increased risk of assault, suicide, homicide and situational escalation from gun owners vs non-gun owners.

I think if you are talking about trade offs, you would probably more safe from intruders investing in reinforced doors on a closet or something that has a line to call authorities.

I've read the studies as well. I also think that risk homeostasis is present in a lot of people. That's why I'm a proponent of tighter general firearm regulations myself, as well as for strict discipline in their handling at all times. I also believe that people shouldn't make these decisions lightly, and should be fully cognizant in understanding the potential negative consequences. But if people are willing take the necessary precautions and to build the fortitude needed to prevent those unintended consequences, they should be allowed to take the risk.

And yes, I can't help but notice that Kevlar vest sales never skyrocket in response to these events. Maybe that's the market I could put my engineering skills into...
 

ponpo

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My granspappy was fucking nuts. He literally hoarded guns. He left me and my cousin just under 600 guns. I miss him.

My cousin is holding everything in his trailer, I'll take pictures tomorrow when we go. It's insane, last I was there it was literally just a room full of guns, wall to wall.

I like the Glock 18c, is heavy and kicks but even just there look of it is scary.

Whoa, crazy. Looking forward to photos!

I don't care about guns for defense or whatever but I think handguns are great as mechanical devices. If I live in the US I'd probably get a couple.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
I'm of two minds on this. The struggle of believing heavily in self-defense but also pacifism . Black, hispanic, muslim, gay, trans, we all need to protect ourselves now more than ever, but I can't help but feel that violence begets violence. And there's already so much damn bloodshed around us.
 
I'm of two minds on this. The struggle of believing heavily in self-defense but also pacifism . Black, hispanic, muslim, gay, trans, we all need to protect ourselves now more than ever, but I can't help but feel that violence begets violence. And there's already so much damn bloodshed around us.
At the very least I suggest taking some proper self defense courses to learn how to fight to disable and escape if needed.
 
It's christmas for the NRA. After seeing minorities arm themselves, the remaining whites not yet carrying will buy guns for protection because they will feel even more uncomfortable, and the white supremacists and cops will be even more trigger happy (if that's possible).

What could go wrong ?

I dont think Black folks just buying guns would trigger any legislative efforts. Black folks forming miltias & mobilising as a collective of gun owners is what would raise eyebrows & trigger some sort of racially motivated crackdown.
They dont care about minorities buying guns, (though youll run into people that profile the shit out of you when you step into a gunshop) what theyre concerned about is political action attached to that gun ownership.
 
I'm of two minds on this. The struggle of believing heavily in self-defense but also pacifism . Black, hispanic, muslim, gay, trans, we all need to protect ourselves now more than ever, but I can't help but feel that violence begets violence. And there's already so much damn bloodshed around us.

This is also my struggle. I don't know how to feel about it.
 
Thoughts on the Sig Sauer P238?
Solid compact. Good too about 100 yards, draws quickly, I'd suggest a real 1911 instead but those get cost prohibitive. .380 should be easy to find. Solid compact for sold defense and imo a pretty decent range gun.

And as always I stress that you and everybody take a gun safety class and fire on a range.
 

UrokeJoe

Member
I'm of two minds on this. The struggle of believing heavily in self-defense but also pacifism . Black, hispanic, muslim, gay, trans, we all need to protect ourselves now more than ever, but I can't help but feel that violence begets violence. And there's already so much damn bloodshed around us.

Think we are all feeling this way, well most of us... or a lot of us, but yeah feel you.
 
This is also my struggle. I don't know how to feel about it.
Look at it this way. Worst case scenario, you have something for a hobby that you can use. You can even find gunm ranges that store your gun for you on site in a personal locker so you don't need to worry about the police gunning you down for simply having one on you.
 

Somnid

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Dream: Guns are a symbol of black oppression, if blacks have guns they can stand up to their white oppressors.
Reality: Spike in black-on-black gun violence.

Maybe, just maybe they'll scare some white gun-folk into reconsidering their hardline positions but I doubt it, probably better to hope for learning diversity through new NRA members.
 

Dali

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I'm of two minds on this. The struggle of believing heavily in self-defense but also pacifism . Black, hispanic, muslim, gay, trans, we all need to protect ourselves now more than ever, but I can't help but feel that violence begets violence. And there's already so much damn bloodshed around us.
You're right. Their violence. I don't have the time or patience to post the litany of examples of black people being abused and killed not just in the last year alone but throughout the history of this country. The article in the OP itself mentions how black people were lynched and run out of their homes. The reaction to stuff like this has been almost completely and totally nonviolent. I hate the stupid ass expression Jewish people sometimes say to justify whatever sort extreme measures they want to take against their perceived enemy but at some point black people need to say "never again."

Not calling for a race war or anything so extreme but reading you say violence begets violence has been mostly untrue in the case of black people in the face of racists.
 

Satch

Banned
I'm of two minds on this. The struggle of believing heavily in self-defense but also pacifism . Black, hispanic, muslim, gay, trans, we all need to protect ourselves now more than ever, but I can't help but feel that violence begets violence. And there's already so much damn bloodshed around us.

me tbh



are there any cute ones at least
 

Jonm1010

Banned
I am suddenly a fan of the second amendment, minorities should be able to protect themselves especially with this tense racial climate, defend ourselves from racists at all costs.

still not owning a gun

The second amendment and its staying power through the interpretations of the courts is why this escalation of "our guns need to match their guns" is even a thing though.

Fear would certainly be justified but in a country like, say, Britain, your fear would be less about being shot to death and more about physical assault. In a scenario of undesirable choices, I would still take the latter.
 
You're right. Their violence. I don't have the time or patience to post the litany of examples of black people being abused and killed not just in the last year alone but throughout the history of this country. The article in the OP itself mentions how black people were lynched and run out of their homes. The reaction to stuff like this has been almost completely and totally nonviolent. I hate the stupid ass expression Jewish people sometimes say to justify whatever sort extreme measures they want to take against their perceived enemy but at some point black people need to say "never again."

Not calling for a race war or anything so extreme but reading you say violence begets violence has been mostly untrue in the case of black people in the face of racists.

You convinced me.

I'm strapping up.
 

DrForester

Kills Photobucket
lol @ people thinking gun legislation will get more strict if MORE people start owning guns.

Not more people. More non-white people. If there's anything that will get Republicans and gun nuts to care about con control, it's black/brown people getting guns.
 
Everyone should have the ways and means to defend themselves. Especially those that are going to be under fire (no pun intended) with this new administration.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
I've really been going back and forth about getting a CC permit as well as a shotgun for my home. My wife keeps telling me that she's against it, but understands why I'd want to do so.

Like I tell all my married friends that are old enough to get the reference. Tell your wife you don't wanna be Fredo and drop the gun when the time comes. Take her with you to the range and do the safety training together. It tends to ease the mind just a bit

Statistics say you are increasing risk to your family with a gun in the home more then reducing it.

Kinda like saying people with pools are more likely to drown in the backyard than people without. Its one of the worst catch all statistics out there. Lack of responsibility is a bigger factor I think. Just be safe and careful and never act like you know how to shoot when you don't. Instructors are more than happy to teach.
 
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