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Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]

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Right? I thought the main point of cancelling Fable was that MS didn't want to allocate the resources into this ongoing service game. And now everything is supposed to become a service? Sounds odd.

It was canceled because of the game itself. The service aspect may have impacted some of the games development, but the service aspect is now seen in all of the tent pole releases by MS.
 

icespide

Banned
A damn 70 page thread for Scalebound, in a couple hours. Where was any of this pent up interest during the last 3 years .

Interesting times we live in

what are you even talking about? Scalebound always drummed up tons of interest on GAF, especially with it being a platinum game
 
I can see Kamiya maybe trying again by pitching a different type of dragon game somewhere down the road. Maybe not exactly like how this game was shaping up*, but some sort of spiritual successor, since doing a game with dragons was a long-time dream of his (it'd been his pet project since Platinum was founded). But man, something like this must be brutal on the team's morale.

*He had a concept for a game about a little girl and a dragon, or something like that. That could be neat.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Suddenly everyone had a burning desire to buy the game.

/s

Sony will cancel the Last of Us 2 to build hype and stoke the flames of desire in its ardent fan base before re announcing it a week before its release.
 
A damn 70 page thread for Scalebound, in a couple hours. Where was any of this pent up interest during the last 3 years .

Interesting times we live in

That's how these things tend to work. A lot of the people making this thread so large, I'm certain, mostly didn't care about the game because it wasn't on their preferred platform.

There are 3 groups.

1 - some are deliberately feigning interest and want to use the cancellation of the game as a means of attacking Microsoft

2 - some others just have an interest due to the developer and the simple newsworthiness of this kind of cancellation.

3 - while the remaining, who are a bit of an extension of the 2nd group, fairly look at the implications of this, and become concerned about the seeming thinning out of major releases for Xbox coming from Microsoft themselves.

I believe the first group, sadly, greatly outnumbers groups 2 and 3 in this thread. Groups 2 and 3 are among those that would have likely been open to supporting this game if it ended up looking really good when all was said and done. That aside, Microsoft have always demonstrated in the release of major new consoles, like what's coming with Scorpio, that they are willing to make the big investment into releasing good games to compliment those releases.
 

Guess Who

Banned
Valve is not really a console maker.

Not really relevant to the point of "big AAA developer/publishers moving away from big-budget single-player story driven games to focus on a multiplayer microtransaction-focused games-as-a-service business model."
 
Survive what? MS funded this game, not Platinum.

The problem for Platinum is they now have 100+ people sitting there, needing to be paid, who do not have a project to work on.

You don't just walk away from a major cancellation like this unscathed. There will be more than likely layoffs, but yes Platinum will survive it.
 
Off topic: I'm always kinda shocked to see how quickly some posts really gain traction. Also


Tsk tsk

No one has any idea what you're trying to get at.

I wonder if MS would consider buying a studio like Riot.

I mean assuming Tencent would even consider selling.

Do you people think Microsoft can just walk into places with bags of money and be like "we're taking your studio!"?

Because that's not how it works.

Nobody gave a shit before it was canceled.
Don't worry, nobody will give a shit tomorrow, when "gaming drama of the day" has been replaced by new gaming drama.

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Faustek

Member
damn 31 posts, didn't realized I posted so much. Well I love PG and Kamiya, so is expected.

....damn 32.

Dat me.


What's the point of this?

No point at all. I usually do this, don't alway post, when the threads are moving really fast to see who the suspects are. So far the Project Beast and a Switch thread have their amount of crazy people that makes this one look pale but I'll look again tomorrow.

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Also I feel like I'm living under a rock. Had no clue Cuphead was coming outside of MS store fronts
 

Dabanton

Member
So did Platinum Games make a crappy game that was never going to get finished? Or was it so horrible, that MS said, "This will hurt us if it's released" and canned it?

Sounds like PG missed major milestones. As the company footing the bill. How long do you pump money into something that maybe isn't coming together?
 
To further expand on this, we own Cuphead. In essence, the game "can't" be cancelled unless we choose to. And we're not cancelling it.

On topic, I really wanted to play Scalebound. I am sad.

Hey, thanks for posting. Really looking forward to playing Cuphead, it looks great.

Take your time but hopefully it's sometime soon =P (though I have no issue waiting!)
 
Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
My take on all this, and I've been seeing this for a while, is that Microsoft is transitioning all their games to the 'live service' model.

Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
Basically Microsoft want to have their games emulate what Minecraft has been able to do.
Long lifecycle, large user base, Increased spend.

Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
Microsoft's future direction is about being able to offer the Xbox games and live services on multiple devices that run Windows 10.
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Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
My take on all this, and I've been seeing this for a while, is that Microsoft is transitioning all their games to the 'live service' model.

Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
Basically Microsoft want to have their games emulate what Minecraft has been able to do.
Long lifecycle, large user base, Increased spend.

Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
Microsoft's future direction is about being able to offer the Xbox games and live services on multiple devices that run Windows 10.

This is not the future I want from Xbox. Xbox should be providing gamers with what most in the industry aren't. It's sad to see this. My interest in Xbox going forward from the sounds of this has declined.
 
I think that's kinda how they are positioning themselves right now is exactly that. Big budget, huge narrative driven single player experiences are becoming more and more rare. Look at this past E3. What did they showcase?

God of War footage showing lots of emotional story telling and a more narrative driven feel
The Last Guardian
Days Gone which again had a very story focused narrative trailer
Detroit which is basically entirely story driven
etc.

I think Sony see this as a part of the market that 3rd parties are moving away from and are positioning their internal studios to provide that content to those gamers while 3rd parties / MS go all in on mutli-player online microtransaction based titles.
Which is what I think it should always be about. First party and third party should compliment each other. Sony has a lack of fps IP so they rely on third party. Sony notices a lack of single player, narrative titles, they green light a bunch of those titles internally.

You cover more bases that way and reach the largest amount of potential buyers.
 

Whompa02

Member
I probably would have killed it too. It looked rough, stylistically weird with clashing themes/vibes, and just overall, not that fun.
 
........because their games do sell?

Because other execs have faith in PG making a game, decide to invest money for PG to make that game and then whatever happens happens?

I mean, this is their first game that this has happened to. MS decided to no longer want to be a part of this. So they cancelled it.
Platinum hasn't had a game sell as much as MGSR. All their games underperform. They live cuz of good faith, but I worry exactly how much faith they still have to support their company. If they're hoping Nier will save them then I worry for them.
 

Smo21

Member
I'm not sure how big platinum is but this is probably their largest team and they just lost a game. Hope the studio can survive this
 

Zedox

Member
This thread is mostly concern trolls and folk who were never interested in the game to begin with.

Yea, and it sucks for us who really were interested in the game. But I personally don't care about the trolls and those other comments... we're gonna hear these comments for a while, especially post e3 2017. I'm more upset about not having another big unique game to play this year. Seeing the IP die like this....* sigh*
 

Riposte

Member
The open world aspect wasn't totally out of their field of expertise (due to Ōkami), but I suspect the online multiplayer aspect is what sabotaged things. That shit is time-consuming, expensive, can be an engineering nightmare, and honestly doesn't sound like something Kamiya would be interesting in doing in the first place.

Platinum Games titles with fully functional online multiplayer: Anarchy Reigns, Bayonetta 2, and TMNT: Mutants in Manhattan. Their Granblue Fantasy Project also seems to be based on online.
 

Jarmel

Banned
Excluding Scalebound Platinum is making 3 other games,

Nier Automata
Granblue Fantasy Project Re:Link
Lost Order

Platinum will be fine.

This was by far their biggest project. Automata is essentially done at this point and this cancellation seems to have been a surprise. Their remaining projects, Granblue and Lost Order, aren't anywhere near big enough to compensate for this.
 
No point at all. I usually do this, don't alway post, when the threads are moving really fast to see who the suspects are. So far the Project Beast and a Switch thread have their amount of crazy people that makes this one look pale but I'll look again tomorrow.

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Also I feel like I'm living under a rock. Had no clue Cuphead was coming outside of MS store fronts

The majority of those people at the top the most posted, are having many of the most rational and interesting posts in this thread though. Not "crazy people"
 

Septic360

Banned
If E3 isn't stellar and missing megatons beyond the Scorpio then that spells major disaster for Xbox.

It's the fourth year and the console should be hitting it's stride with a whole deluge of titles. Look at the PS4 and 2017.

Sad really.

Microsoft need to deliver. This year. Not next year but this. And if they think they can ride the hype of Scorpio alone without the games to back it up, they can expect to get booted out of this industry asap as they should.
 

Fat4all

Banned
The problem for Platinum is they now have 100+ people sitting there, needing to be paid, who do not have a project to work on.

You don't just walk away from a major cancellation like this unscathed. There will be more than likely layoffs, but yes Platinum will survive it.

They will likely shift those people to the Granblue Fantasy Project they have coming up for now, until they get contracted again.
 
Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
My take on all this, and I've been seeing this for a while, is that Microsoft is transitioning all their games to the 'live service' model.

Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
Basically Microsoft want to have their games emulate what Minecraft has been able to do.
Long lifecycle, large user base, Increased spend.

Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
Microsoft's future direction is about being able to offer the Xbox games and live services on multiple devices that run Windows 10.

I'm always reminded of that Eurogamer article on why MS failed in Japan, and the meeting they had with Shinji Mikami.

Eurogamer said:
Eventually an exasperated Mikami boiled it down: 'what is your philosophy? Sony says games are entertainment, something larger, fuelled by the Emotion Engine. Nintendo says games are toys, created by the legendary Shigeru Miyamoto, perhaps the greatest game developer of all time. What do you feel?' Microsoft had no answer.

”I almost jumped out the window because we had said repeatedly over and over and over that we aspire to enable games that could be considered to be art, much like film," Bachus says, ”that because of the maturity of the development tools and the APIs and the power of the technology, game developers on Xbox would be able to concentrate on the finesse features that elevated games to being something more than they were otherwise.

”So the guy who reported to me said, 'oh that's so great! I wish that I had known that.' But unfortunately it was too late."

There are people in MS who care, but for a long time its felt like MS overall, and those who hold the real power just don't value these things, and that's a shame. "games that could be considered art. much like film" is a sentiment you would associate with games that have come from Sony -not MS- and I don't know if I see MS actually wanting to change that (outside of one or two franchises). Good luck to Stinkles & co.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
'It might not be MS's fault, why are you fingering MS' is a fine thing to say the first time it happens.

The second time it happens with an MS-published game, it's suspicious.

The third time, it's a trend.

Which other publishers, exactly, have canned games that have been in development, been shown at game shows, etc., as many times as MS, that aren't publishers that are in dire financial straits?
 
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