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The problem is Switch is not at a mass market price and doesn't look like it will be any time soon. It's priced as an enthusiast, 'hardcore' (to borrow your term) product. Also I really don't think you can include the price of a TV your PS4 vs Switch comparison.. TVs are just as cheap here as anywhere else if you want a smaller one and probably a higher percentage of people have TVs and watch regular TV than other countries I'd bet..
If portability is the be all and end all then it's difficult to explain Vita.
Switch costs the same as PS4 Slim in Japan.
Same as Wii U, or even cheaper in some cases lol
It's 10 yen more than a PS4 slim, and cheaper then the Wii U (which comes with Splatoon pack in for 39,960 yen) on BicCamera.
What is 10k more that PS4 Slim, Switch?
What is 10k more that PS4 Slim, Switch?
The switch is (will be) priced at 29,980 yen, and I can buy a PS4 slim for 29,970 off BicCamera today. Not a big price difference.
What is 10k more that PS4 Slim, Switch?
I think he meant 10yen, not 10k.
Anyway
PS4 Slim 29,980¥
Switch 29.980¥
Wii U 30.000¥
Wii U (Splatoon bundle) 37.000¥
Taxes not included at any price.
The switch is (will be) priced at 29,980 yen, and I can buy a PS4 slim for 29,970 off BicCamera today. Not a big price difference.
Official PS4 price is 29,980¥, the same as Switch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf-6D9bkYKw
Another thing not talked about is 3DS owners are used to paying ¥5-¥6,000 for games. The Switch games priced so far are anything from ¥5,000 (Switch/Setsuna), ¥7,000 (Zelda) to ¥10,000 (Koei Tecmo). I wonder if they'll settle?
Games are priced according to what thy are. Games intended for console audiences will cost 6000yen and up. Games intended for portable audiences will cost 5000yen and up. That is basically the price of games in the market now. How much do you think Monster Hunter is for example?
DarkLordMalik
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DQXI won't move hardware on Switch. It will sell the most on 3DS, a hardware with more than 22 million users followed by PS4, which should have easily cleared 5 million by the time DQXI releases. Best case scenario, DQXI is released when Switch sells between 2 to 3 million and in that case, it would be insane to expect the Switch version to end up being the best selling one (Between PS4/Switch).
I love how we used to have comments like KH, FFVII: Remake or FFXV will be released for Switch, but they have all but disappeared now that the picture is clear on what to expect from the hardware. Basically I expect a PS3/Wii scenario here where Switch will get the big brands but they will be either low-spec ports or custom made exclusive game for Switch.
Tales of audience is on PS4.
Final Fantasy audience is on PS4.
Both of these franchise will remain on PS4 or PC for the most part if the Switch fails to gain any traction for the first game from them.
Switch will continue the legacy of 3DS so it will definitely keep getting support in similar veins but the rest depends on how well it manages to sell, and we are not talking just about hardware, but also about its software. If third parties try all their efforts on Switch and they fail to move much of it, then it would be stupid to keep trying for it. They will move on, just like Tales of moved to PS3 later down the line even when the hardware sales between PS3 versus Wii weren't comparable in the slightest.
I love how we used to have comments like KH, FFVII: Remake or FFXV will be released for Switch, but they have all but disappeared now that the picture is clear on what to expect from the hardware. Basically I expect a PS3/Wii scenario here where Switch will get the big brands but they will be either low-spec ports or custom made exclusive game for Switch.
Tales of audience is on PS4.
Final Fantasy audience is on PS4.
Both of these franchise will remain on PS4 or PC for the most part if the Switch fails to gain any traction for the first game from them.
Switch will continue the legacy of 3DS so it will definitely keep getting support in similar veins but the rest depends on how well it manages to sell, and we are not talking just about hardware, but also about its software. If third parties try all their efforts on Switch and they fail to move much of it, then it would be stupid to keep trying for it. They will move on, just like Tales of moved to PS3 later down the line even when the hardware sales between PS3 versus Wii weren't comparable in the slightest.
i think the lack of attention on mario kart 8 at the reveal means mario kart 9 will come to switch also and this port is only meant as a temporary fix
i expect mario maker 2 will also be made in lieu of another port, similar to splatoon > splatoon 2
dw there'll be more to come, stay tuned
i expect mario maker 2 will also be made in lieu of another port, similar to splatoon > splatoon 2
i can only realize my delusion when pointed outIs that really the best example?
Tekken had more to do with comments Harada made causing people to speculate. What denial are you referring to?
dw there'll be more to come, stay tuned
My point being that 3DS owners upgrading are suddenly expected to pay more for games. Even Street Fighter II is ¥5,000 and I expect Bomberman to be full priced. Software sales will be grim. And Monster Hunter is Monster Hunter.Games are priced according to what thy are. Games intended for console audiences will cost 6000yen and up. Games intended for portable audiences will cost 5000yen and up. That is basically the price of games in the market now. How much do you think Monster Hunter is for example?
if software sales dont sell as expected for its price, they can always adjust it for later games, nothing is set in stoneMy point being that 3DS owners upgrading are suddenly expected to pay more for games. Even Street Fighter II is ¥5,000 and I expect Bomberman to be full priced. Software sales will be grim. And Monster Hunter is Monster Hunter.
My point being that 3DS owners upgrading are suddenly expected to pay more for games. Even Street Fighter II is ¥5,000 and I expect Bomberman to be full priced. Software sales will be grim. And Monster Hunter is Monster Hunter.
Which 3DS owners are upgrading to the Switch in March? Like, do you even see this as a thing? Especially when 3DS games are still coming out and will continue to be announced. 3DS games which will not run on the Switch. The transition will happen later, and by then the price situation will be give us more insight into who is charging for what.
5000 yen is the standard price for a retail 3DS game, so I'm confused at that example. I do think it's high for something like Ultra Street Fighter 2, but if it were released on the 3DS, why would it be any cheaper?
2014.11.24 XB1 S Sundle - ¥34.980
2016.11.10 PS4 Pro - ¥44.980
2016.09.15 PS4 Slim 500GB - ¥29.980
2016.09.15 PS4 Slim 1TB - ¥34.980
2015.11.12 WIU Splatoon Bundle - ¥34,000
First Splatoon bundle was ¥35,000
First Splatoon bundle was ¥35,000
Famitsu had it at 34k yen, but I can't check it right now
Famitsu had it at 34k yen, but I can't check it right now
My mistake, yes it was 34k yen.
I thought the second bundle was just 2k yen more expensive, but it was 3k yen lol
+shiny new console factor for the switchDQXI will do best on 3DS. That's pretty much accepted.
Who will be second fiddle is not set in stone. Having a sizeable lead in install base does not mean much especially in a franchise like Dragon Quest that pushes the hardware sales more than the opposite.
its possible switch version can sell comparable to ps4, all depends on how nintendo plays their cards
"DQXI won't move hardware on Switch"
dont think ive seen a bigger joke than this
Well me for a start!Which 3DS owners are upgrading to the Switch in March? Like, do you even see this as a thing? Especially when 3DS games are still coming out and will continue to be announced. 3DS games which will not run on the Switch. The transition will happen later, and by then the price situation will be give us more insight into who is charging for what.
5000 yen is the standard price for a retail 3DS game, so I'm confused at that example. I do think it's high for something like Ultra Street Fighter 2, but if it were released on the 3DS, why would it be any cheaper?
And I'm not saying it would be cheaper on 3DS. Switch is being priced high on both hardware and software. High prices are generally fine for desirable products but I really can't see anything that will be perceived as desirable until Splatoon. I'm not sure what to make of Mario Kart 8 as I tend to think it'll do better than most updated versions/ports.
Is that really the best example?
Tekken had more to do with comments Harada made causing people to speculate. What denial are you referring to?
The denial about switch being marketed (price, software, third party support ) as a home console and not getting all the supposed software a portable would get
Japanese third party non reaction to Switch launch clearly is caused by them already knowing its positioning on the market
So no, MHXX wasnt waiting for january 13 event as Inazuma eleven neither and so on and on and on...
its already getting better support than the wii u or the wii, with console games to bootThe denial about switch being marketed (price, software, third party support ) as a home console and not getting all the supposed software a portable would get
Japanese third party non reaction to Switch launch clearly is caused by them already knowing its positioning on the market
So no, MHXX wasnt waiting for january 13 event as Inazuma eleven neither and so on and on and on...
do u honestly think switch wont get the full nintendo software support its handhelds got?
level 5 will also give it full support and mh will also appear, i mean where else is it gonna go?
are all these handheld games gonna jump shit to mobile or something? thats the only other alternative
The denial about switch being marketed (price, software, third party support ) as a home console and not getting all the supposed software a portable would get
Japanese third party non reaction to Switch launch clearly is caused by them already knowing its positioning on the market
So no, MHXX wasnt waiting for january 13 event as Inazuma eleven neither and so on and on and on...
What platform do you think the new Inazuma game is for?
When the platform was revealed Nintendo called it a home console and I'm not sure what you mean by the bolded.
the home console slanted marketing is clearly for the west, where their brand is struggling
japan doesn't need as much convincing, as long as its a portable with the usual handheld heavy hitters, it'll be fine
Well it's not quite that simple, but I definitely think Nintendo isn't ready to transit off the 3DS in Japan yet. That will be the 2018 goal, so comparing the Switch now to the 3DS is a bit too early. The biggest portable games in 2017 in Japan won't be Switch games, they will be 3DS games. 3DS games which won't work on the Switch.
The denial about switch being marketed (price, software, third party support ) as a home console and not getting all the supposed software a portable would get
Japanese third party non reaction to Switch launch clearly is caused by them already knowing its positioning on the market
So no, MHXX wasnt waiting for january 13 event as Inazuma eleven neither and so on and on and on...
The 3DS got heavy Japanese 3rd party software after a while, not at launch. Both because it takes time for 3rd parties to get on board and develop titles, and because they waited out launch. Post MH3U the Japanese 3rd party train really started rolling.
Not sure what you're trying to do comparing an old system's Japanese library to one that isn't even released yet. The game announcements will trickle out over the launch year. As the console is out, yes, it will get most of the software support the 3DS did.
Well it's not quite that simple, but I definitely think Nintendo isn't ready to transit off the 3DS in Japan yet. That will be the 2018 goal, so comparing the Switch now to the 3DS is a bit too early. The biggest portable games in 2017 in Japan won't be Switch games, they will be 3DS games. 3DS games which won't work on the Switch.
The biggest portable games will be both 3DS (Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter) and Switch (Splatoon).
ive already mentioned how nintendo is trying to survive 2017 with zelda/mario and that by the end of the year will be when nintendo starts releasing games in a steady clipWell it's not quite that simple, but I definitely think Nintendo isn't ready to transit off the 3DS in Japan yet. That will be the 2018 goal, so comparing the Switch now to the 3DS is a bit too early. The biggest portable games in 2017 in Japan won't be Switch games, they will be 3DS games. 3DS games which won't work on the Switch.
mhxx and dqxi will also come to the 3ds, so it makes more sense to give the 3ds a last good year before they finally transition to switch fully
nintendo saw how 3ds performed after forcing the cut from ds, so it makes more sense to transition it this way
Well it's not quite that simple, but I definitely think Nintendo isn't ready to transit off the 3DS in Japan yet. That will be the 2018 goal, so comparing the Switch now to the 3DS is a bit too early. The biggest portable games in 2017 in Japan won't be Switch games, they will be 3DS games. 3DS games which won't work on the Switch.
The only big game for 3DS after March is DQXI. Nintendo has moved away from 3DS already and I don't see them trying more, they gave bigger support to DS after 3DS launch.
just think the transition will be 50/50 in terms of 3ds/switch support, 3ds support will come through basically keeping it alive rather than forcing a ds-like cut
switch support will come in the form of games whenever they feel neccessary
either way, nintendo is letting the market dictate how quick they want to cut off 3ds support, rather than forcing it on them
switch support will come in the form of games whenever they feel neccessary
either way, nintendo is letting the market dictate how quick they want to cut off 3ds support, rather than forcing it on them
The only big game for 3DS after March is DQXI. Nintendo has moved away from 3DS already and I don't see them trying more, they gave bigger support to DS after 3DS launch.
They will announce a new Fire Emblem game next week along with the mobile one. And there is a SMT game coming out on 3DS as well which will be announce soon. Along with Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest XI, I think it clearly shows that portable games for Nintendo in 2017 are still very much on 3DS and not Switch. The big Switch games are all follow ups on WiiU titles.
The biggest portable games will be both 3DS (Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter) and Switch (Splatoon).
We will see if Japan treats Splatoon as a portable game.
Japanese third party non reaction to Switch launch clearly is caused by them already knowing its positioning on the market
So no, MHXX wasnt waiting for january 13 event as Inazuma eleven neither and so on and on and on...
Most of them have already products lined up for this quarter they are trying to push - there isnt much incentive for them to talk about stuff that isnt ready for launch. They mayor dates for japanese announcements always have been e3 and fall/tgs conferences.
Look at the 3DS - people thought they had nothing planned for it and the October conference in its first year had everybody shook.
Switch will be fine in Japan on first party alone...the 3rds will come along in time unless the system completely bombs.
They will announce a new Fire Emblem game next week along with the mobile one. And there is a SMT game coming out on 3DS as well which will be announce soon. Along with Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest XI, I think it clearly shows that portable games for Nintendo in 2017 are still very much on 3DS and not Switch. The big Switch games are all follow ups on WiiU titles.
We will see if Japan treats Splatoon as a portable game.
IIRC the Direct has been more connected to Warriors, so I doubt we'll see another 3DS Fire Emblem in the near future.
the switch games are mainly wii u titles that got ported over, that is the bigger reason than nintendo selecting console games over handheld games, it also helps the switch be seen more like a console rather than a handheldThey will announce a new Fire Emblem game next week along with the mobile one. And there is a SMT game coming out on 3DS as well which will be announce soon. Along with Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest XI, I think it clearly shows that portable games for Nintendo in 2017 are still very much on 3DS and not Switch. The big Switch games are all follow ups on WiiU titles.
We will see if Japan treats Splatoon as a portable game.
it makes more sense to go handheld-focus later when the games are ready
splatoon can be played on the tv tho, i dont think anyone is going to buy splatoon 2 and see it as either a handheld or a console title, its both
either way i dont see splatoon sales being negatively affected, on the contrary it'll see an uptick for being on a portable for the first time
All this "where the support could be if not on switch" could be entertaining on forums for awhile but
It has been months since people started this game and everytime the goalpost is postponed. Now what are we waiting for to see actual games announced? 2018? And do you think this could work? A year on the market positioned as a (weak but pricy with thin and uninteresting support) home console and suddenly ALL third parties start to support a struggling Nintendo console? Is this a parallel universe?
And secondly, mass market doesnt follow with its purchases neither rumors nor forum assumptions. The only signs of switch getting the portable treatment software and price wise are assumptions done here. Nobody is gonna buy switch because "where the next level5/monster hunter should go within the next year?"
It has been months since people started this game and everytime the goalpost is postponed. Now what are we waiting for to see actual games announced? 2018? And do you think this could work? A year on the market positioned as a (weak but pricy with thin and uninteresting support) home console and suddenly ALL third parties start to support a struggling Nintendo console? Is this a parallel universe?
And secondly, mass market doesnt follow with its purchases neither rumors nor forum assumptions. The only signs of switch getting the portable treatment software and price wise are assumptions done here. Nobody is gonna buy switch because "where the next level5/monster hunter should go within the next year?"
no one said all third parties will be on switchAll this "where the support could be if not on switch" could be entertaining on forums for awhile but
It has been months since people started this game and everytime the goalpost is postponed. Now what are we waiting for to see actual games announced? 2018? And do you think this could work? A year on the market positioned as a (weak but pricy with thin and uninteresting support) home console and suddenly ALL third parties start to support a struggling Nintendo console? Is this a parallel universe?
And secondly, mass market doesnt follow with its purchases neither rumors nor forum assumptions. The only signs of switch getting the portable treatment software and price wise are assumptions done here. Nobody is gonna buy switch because "where the next level5/monster hunter should go within the next year?"
we're talking about nintendo first party and top third party handheld titles
tell me, if not the switch, where will they go?
yes no one will buy the switch based on rumors and assumptions, they will buy it when the games are released, which is a sure thing when we're talking about those games
do u even pay attention to the japanese market? 3ds titles were rarely announced months in advance, they've been announced/released in quick succession
All this "where the support could be if not on switch" could be entertaining on forums for awhile but
It has been months since people started this game and everytime the goalpost is postponed. Now what are we waiting for to see actual games announced? 2018? And do you think this could work? A year on the market positioned as a (weak but pricy with thin and uninteresting support) home console and suddenly ALL third parties start to support a struggling Nintendo console? Is this a parallel universe?
And secondly, mass market doesnt follow with its purchases neither rumors nor forum assumptions. The only signs of switch getting the portable treatment software and price wise are assumptions done here. Nobody is gonna buy switch because "where the next level5/monster hunter should go within the next year?"
The Switch isn't even out yet, every console is barren when first released. 3rd parties will come later, they always do.
The only big game for 3DS after March is DQXI. Nintendo has moved away from 3DS already and I don't see them trying more, they gave bigger support to DS after 3DS launch.
We are still in January. The full 2017 game's list for 3DS is not even half finished!
They will announce a new Fire Emblem game next week along with the mobile one. And there is a SMT game coming out on 3DS as well which will be announce soon. Along with Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest XI, I think it clearly shows that portable games for Nintendo in 2017 are still very much on 3DS and not Switch. The big Switch games are all follow ups on WiiU titles.
We will see if Japan treats Splatoon as a portable game.
And DQM3: Professional, the new Phoenix Wright game, yoshi, pikmin, Mario superstars, ever oasis... 3DS still has a lot to say in 2017
We are still in January. The full 2017 game's list for 3DS is not even half finished!
And DQM3: Professional, the new Phoenix Wright game, yoshi, pikmin, Mario superstars, ever oasis... 3DS still has a lot to say in 2017
Yoshi and Joker 3 Pro are before March. That leaves Pikmin, Mario Superstars, Ever Oasis (which I had forgotten) but only Mario Superstars will top 100k from them
New Phoenix Wright for 3DS is first time I hear it.
After 3DS launch Nintendo gave DS these titles
[NDS] Pokemon Typing Adventure # <ACT> (Pokemon Co.) {2011.04.21}
[NDS] Kirby Mass Attack <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.08.04}
[NDS] Pokemon Conquest <SLG> (Pokemon Co.) {2012.03.17}
[NDS] Pokemon Black 2 / White 2 <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2012.06.23}
We are still in January. The full 2017 game's list for 3DS is not even half finished!
And DQM3: Professional, the new Phoenix Wright game, yoshi, pikmin, Mario superstars, ever oasis... 3DS still has a lot to say in 2017
We actually don't have a platform for the new Ace Attorney game yet.
3ds support in 2017 looks as strong, if not stronger than 2016, it'll do fineYoshi and Joker 3 Pro are before March. That leaves Pikmin, Mario Superstars, Ever Oasis (which I had forgotten) but only Mario Superstars will top 100k from them
New Phoenix Wright for 3DS is first time I hear it
im far more interested in how they handle the switch
DarkLordMalik
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We have also been through multiple phases of complete lull or mishaps from Nintendo and yet people will never learn.we've been through this for the past few years with the 3ds and yet people still haven't learnt that the start of the year is always the biggest lull in game announcements
where else will nintendo games go if not the switch? its baffling the way people think sometimes
Considering their history, it is not surprising some of the posters here are being cautious. I mean despite multiple history lessons, they still managed to fuck up the launch of their new hardware.
They are still focusing on useless gimmicks hoping that the casuals return but this all adds more expense to the hardware costs and all the while, making it useless if the market doesn't care.
so where will nintendo games go?We have also been through multiple phases of complete lull or mishaps from Nintendo and yet people will never learn.
Considering their history, it is not surprising some of the posters here are being cautious. I mean despite multiple history lessons, they still managed to fuck up the launch of their new hardware.
stay on 3ds? move to mobile? does that make sense to u
and i was talking about game announcements being empty at the start of the year, thats a fact and has nothing to do with nintendo's mishaps
3ds support in 2017 looks as strong, if not stronger than 2016, it'll do fine
im far more interested in how they handle the switch
Stronger for who? Nintendo?
i wouldn't put it past them to do that, they have stated support will go all the way through to 2018It will be really, really funny if Nintendo announces Pokemon Stars in October and they announce it for both 3DS and Switch. Lol.
for 3ds ofcourseStronger for who? Nintendo?
It kinda interesting that you're posting about people never learning and say that they are ignoring history in response to a post in which the main point is the past history of game announcements.We have also been through multiple phases of complete lull or mishaps from Nintendo and yet people will never learn.
Considering their history, it is not surprising some of the posters here are being cautious. I mean despite multiple history lessons, they still managed to fuck up the launch of their new hardware.
for 3ds ofcourse
3DS will see at least 50% drop at software sales this year, I don't see how it is stronger.
It will be really, really funny if Nintendo announces Pokemon Stars in October and they announce it for both 3DS and Switch. Lol. Then we can have another 6 months of "but is the Switch really the 3DS successor?!" debates.
Pokemon went multiplatform between GBA and DS.
in terms of support in games it looks stronger than 20163DS will see at least 50% drop at software sales this year, I don't see how it is stronger.
software drop will be because of natural decline and more competition from the switch
and like i said the support will be mainly just keeping the 3ds half-alive while they transition to switch
its obvious nintendo is 100% on switch development at this point, they're just giving it more time by keeping the 3ds alive a little longer
in terms of support in games it looks stronger than 2016
software drop will be because of natural decline and more competition from the switch
and like i said the support will be mainly just keeping the 3ds half-alive while they transition to switch
its obvious nintendo is 100% on switch development at this point, they're just giving it more time by keeping the 3ds alive a little longer
DQXI is coming, but other than that I don't see it. I think you're underselling what the 3DS got in 2016.