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Magic: the Gathering |OT10| Aether Revolt - That shit that make your Soul Burn slow
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"God's Beard!"
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I think the newest cards I own are my Mindwrack Demons from Shadows over Innistrad lol
That's turning out to be a mighty fine prerelease promo that I pulled from my kit.
Well what do you know, neogaf hyped up CopyCat so much that they were convinced that it was going to win this tournament free/need a ban when it's just another tier 1 deck like I predicted. walking balista being colorless means that this combo be able to be kept in check.
Wouldn't be the first time a crazy combo of cards failed to win week one of a new standard, then found the right combination and dominated afterward. We even have the Pro Tour to look forward to. We're not out of the woods yet -- things are just getting started.
SigmasonicX
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Like I mentioned earlier, you can easily change the cards around Saheeli and Felidar Guardian to match whatever the metagame sends at it, and a lot of the decks' failures during the tournament are due to playing style more than anything, from what I can tell.
Besides, Mirrodin Standard had decks that could beat the big decks too, that didn't change the fact that they defined Standard.
"God's Beard!"
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Working on Modern Sultai:
Really liking Ceremonious Rejection out of the board against Tron.
Really liking Ceremonious Rejection out of the board against Tron.
SCG tourneys are not representative of polished and tuned decks or skill.
Oh and Verdurous Gearhulk is back up to $19+
btw, just a random thought, but what are angels and demons doing in the Kaladesh setting? It's sort of weird that a few of them are hanging out there, just doing their thing, nobody really minds. Then again, the elves aren't the best fit for that plane either imo. And gremlins have to be one of the worst tribes ever
TheBlackMarvel
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Clearly they're there in small enough numbers as to not be too much of a problem.
LOL someone who takes SCG results seriously.
Oh please numerous people on this page were crying for a ban. Based on the tournament we can clearly see that the deck is very good but has its faults like I said before. Hyperbole rarely turns out correct. Personally I predicted gb aggro to win since it lists the least from the bans.
SCG is what showed the world that eldrazi was broken in modern when eye of ugin was legal. If Saheeli rai was broken it would have been similar, but it wasn't. That's my point.
Um, the latest development article covers exactly this. Hell, the article outlining why skullclapm was banned highlighted a similar issue - skullclamp didn't dominate at its first tournament.
Acting smug and patronising seems a bit silly when the history of magic shows us that:
A) often the first tournament after a set is out doesn't have the broken deck figured out yet. Heck, at Pro Tour Rome at the height of Urza's block insanity there were only two Academy decks in the top 8, guess it shouldn't have been banned?
B) cards have an impact beyond the top 4 of a tournament, and can / should be banned despite that. Do you think casual players and Friday night gamers are going to meta-game against the deck in the same way tournament players can? A two card, instant kill, turn 4 mechanism that's easy to assemble in standard is not the norm!
Imperfected
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You can't always take results at face value.
The obvious example is that if your Top 8 are eight different Aggro decks, your first inclination might be to ban keystone Aggro cards. However, if you look at the tournament registration and notice that 75% of the decks outside of the Top 8 were variations on the same Combo deck that loses to Aggro, that tells a very different story: it isn't Aggro that's killing your variety, it's that Combo deck.
Basically, even if a deck has one near-unwinnable match-up, if all of its other match-ups are one-sided in the other direction it's going to become a "gatekeeper" deck and warp the play pattern around it to an absurd degree.
I'm not saying Copycat has or will do that, just that you shouldn't use tournament results by themselves as gospel for competitive balancing. You can't just throw them into a spreadsheet and have it spit out a banlist, you have to dig deeper and take a holistic look at the competitive meta.
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Transhuman
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Worked for skullclamp
Um, no it didn't. In fact it's exactly the opposite - Skullclamp didn't make huge waves in the first tournament it was playable in (PT Kobe). To quote from the development article:
It was only later that skullclamp completely destroyed the environment, at the Regionals. It should have been banned earlier, but wasn't because it didn't see a huge impact at Kobe. Because of that, it completely fucked over the game environment for 3 months.
joshbob1985
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Is there a discussion thread for the magic duels PC game? This thread is like it's written in another language for people not into the cards.
joshbob1985
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Thanks a bunch. Don't know why I couldn't find that.
Please point to where people here were "crying for a ban". Some of us are predicting a ban, but that's it.
Being a 3/4 colour deck, it's going to take a while to find the optimal build, like it did with Marvel.
Believe what you want. I'm telling you, week 1 never tells the whole story.
Actually that was the pro tour
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
SCG did show that Bant Company was the best deck though but even if CopyCat turns out beatable because the whole format becomes hyper aggro that's still pretty bad.
In Standard, probably not. It's a good sideboard card in Legacy against Death and Taxes as the Devoid dodges Mother of Runes' protection effect.
Simply Sarah
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You have to always take week 1 results with a giant grain of salt. It's a combination of many of the best brewers and players being focused on the PT, a lot of uncertainty in the meta, and weird things being tried out that just may not work.
Like, look at Kaladesh. At week 1 SCG was basically super heavy vehicles (with 32 copters) and aggro with some reanimation focused decks and Marvel was nowhere to be seen. At the PT you had lots of sub-optimal Marvel decks getting smashed along with a bunch of other decks that largely disappeared after that weekend. Then BG Delirium looked unstoppable for a bit before it finally settled into Marvel and Friends.
Like, look at Kaladesh. At week 1 SCG was basically super heavy vehicles (with 32 copters) and aggro with some reanimation focused decks and Marvel was nowhere to be seen. At the PT you had lots of sub-optimal Marvel decks getting smashed along with a bunch of other decks that largely disappeared after that weekend. Then BG Delirium looked unstoppable for a bit before it finally settled into Marvel and Friends.
Thank you, someone who remembers accurately.
Joe Molotov
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";228900904]I think the newest cards I own are my Mindwrack Demons from Shadows over Innistrad lol[/QUOTE]
I buy all the playable looking Red aggro cards so I can force Red in every Standard. It took me a while to realize how dumb it was to build $300+ decks for an EV of winning one extra round per week at FNM. It's like, build a Tier 1 deck and try for 4-0, or build a Tier 3 deck and go 2-2 or 3-1.
I buy all the playable looking Red aggro cards so I can force Red in every Standard. It took me a while to realize how dumb it was to build $300+ decks for an EV of winning one extra round per week at FNM. It's like, build a Tier 1 deck and try for 4-0, or build a Tier 3 deck and go 2-2 or 3-1.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
UR Emerge is decent. Return itself is a great card that does a ton of work against the Ballista/Counters decks since those decks are inherently looking to flood the board with cards.
I don't know that its great but Elder Deep-Fiend and Return are a potent enough combination I wouldn't jump to the conclusion it's not good.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
There's already an MTGGoldfish article that makes the entire argument for you. Dude just wants to gloat (despite almost everyone who follows tournament results at all knowing Week 1 SCG means basically nothing), so let him have his glory.
MTG Goldfish: Do Week One Results Actually Matter?
I mean, I don't know how you expect people to argue with Alternative Magic Facts™. There wasn't an SCG Modern Open tournament after Oath of the Gatewatch released and before PT Oath of the Gatewatch. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Even if you were to pretend Classics and IQ Invitationals counted (lol), your argument still makes no sense. There isn't anything resembling Eldrazi dominance in those small fry tournaments from 1/22 (Oath release) and PT Oath on February 5th. http://sales.starcitygames.com//dec...016&end_date=02/04/2016&start_num=25&limit=25
Simply Sarah
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Right. Start of Day 1 of PT Oath of the Eldrazi was "Hey, these Eldrazi decks seem kind of neat. We're wondering if they're actually any good." moving on to "Oh, they seem good." to "Oh, they seem really good." to "Oh god, how do you beat them?".
SigmasonicX
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Forgot to link this last Friday. Aether Revolt survey.
I still have no idea which version of Crazy Cat Lady is best - I'm leaving that to brewers much better than myself - but the Aetherworks Marvel version with a full playset of Whirler Virtuoso and a miser's copy of Gonti's Aether Heart is easily the most fun.
Finance shit:
$1.50 for Aether Heart seems low. It's not a bulk mythic. I'm not saying you should go deep on it or anything, but if you want to build a Whirler Virtuoso deck in the future, now's the time to buy.
Marvel is buylisting for $4 at several major vendors despite dipping to $4-4.50 from individual sellers.
Finance shit:
$1.50 for Aether Heart seems low. It's not a bulk mythic. I'm not saying you should go deep on it or anything, but if you want to build a Whirler Virtuoso deck in the future, now's the time to buy.
Marvel is buylisting for $4 at several major vendors despite dipping to $4-4.50 from individual sellers.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You know nothing good is coming when your opponent plays Paradox Engine.
It's not overpowered, but its a dumb card that lets you know your opponent plans to pull an Eggs-esque turn and bore you out of your skull.
It's not overpowered, but its a dumb card that lets you know your opponent plans to pull an Eggs-esque turn and bore you out of your skull.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I've never seen one of those decks successfully go off and then they scoop to fumigate or radiant flames.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Sure, but they're good at wasting time. Sometimes you just get beat, but at least most decks have the courtesy to do it in a timely fashion and not spend all day masturbating.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
And yes, this will probably piss that one guy off, but they probably should have ban Aetherworks Marvel while they're at it. Card is stupid and leads to stupid games.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Puresteel Paladin does silly things in EDH. Friends killed Akiri and I didn't have the mana to develop her and equipments so conventional damage had to do
Four Horsemen says hi.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
lol wrong thread
But in Magic related news, I've been trying to make Bastion Inventor do something. It's funny when it works against Counterspell decks, but its mostly just a 4/4 that can't attack through an Ishkanah.
But in Magic related news, I've been trying to make Bastion Inventor do something. It's funny when it works against Counterspell decks, but its mostly just a 4/4 that can't attack through an Ishkanah.
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Transhuman
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That's what I mean, a bot could've detected Skullclamp was an issue when the top 16 at that regional had 58 out of a max 64 played.
If Marvel Cat - the Clone Wars takes off as a dominant deck they'll probably hit it and Cat at the same time.
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