Operationgamer17
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Im curious, has he been sacked from a hat in time yet?
I emailed the devs of that game if he's staying in in light of the YL thing. Haven't responded yet.
Im curious, has he been sacked from a hat in time yet?
I'm expecting, if they weren't leaning either particular way as of yet, Gears For Breakfast would likely rather avoid the flak Playtonic are dealing with and may just try and quietly keep him
I emailed the devs of that game if he's staying in in light of the YL thing. Haven't responded yet.
Just skip to the last page.I got to page 60 and ran out of steam so fair play.
You're a key player. They're probably afraid
Edit: That Jonno PR guy is a hero.
His response to all the alt-right people crying over the removed white supremacist.
You're forgetting the amount of people in the alt-right who are weeaboos that love Moeblob stuff.On the other hand, im doubtful the people outraged by the removal of JT would be the kind of people who would buy a game in which you play as a little girl.
I think the most worrying part is how many people are flat out agreeing with Jon, not even hiding how racist they are.
"But Jon is right! If we let those flithy brown people into our country, they'll destroy our genes and turn America into Iraq! I can't believe Playtonic would try to hide the truth from us and silence Jon like that! It must be those Neogaf SJWs at it again!"
Not to mention the idea over making a conspiracy theory over THIS of all things is just god damn hilarious.
"But Jon is right! If we let those flithy brown people into our country, they'll destroy our genes and turn America intoIraqIran! I can't believe Playtonic would try to hide the truth from us and silence Jon like that! It must be those Neogaf SJWs at it again!"
On the other hand, im doubtful the people outraged by the removal of JT would be the kind of people who would buy a game in which you play as a little girl.
Maybe those people would be interested if the game could be played one handed.
Maybe those people would be interested if the game could be played one handed.
Maybe those people would be interested if the game could be played one handed.
Maybe those people would be interested if the game could be played one handed.
One handed gaming is pretty nice for the disabled, more games should have one handed control schemes
Maybe those people would be interested if the game could be played one handed.
Maybe those people would be interested if the game could be played one handed.
Welcome to the club
Maybe those people would be interested if the game could be played one handed.
Crazy to see lots of banned GAFfers going to war with this site cause of this. Especially against certain people.
"Hi Twitter! Having fun cherry picking our posts to make us seem like absolute losers with nothing better to do than ruin a poor YouTuber's life cause he said something that clearly wasn't racist but it was?"Wow now i have to say something real good to have some twitterverse bigot screencap my neogaf posts, the bar really is high these days
Im curious, has he been sacked from a hat in time yet?
Have the devs commented?
I emailed the devs of that game if he's staying in in light of the YL thing. Haven't responded yet.
100% accurate.It's been a while since I've posted on GAF, mainly due to life circumstances and such.
The last thing I posted about was.. what, one of Anita Sarkessian's videos? Man it feels like such a long time ago.
The wonderful thing about free speech is that it's a great tool for identifying people you'd rather not associate with.
JonTron used his free speech to give everybody his opinion on who should enter the American gene pool, and whether Mexicans are trying to take over California, one taco truck at a time, to reclaim the Atzlan, because that's rational.
People who heard it used their free speech to say he's woefully ignorant, a racist, and a possible eugenicist.
The makers of the game he was involved in used their free speech and freedom of association to NOT associate with JonTron.
Freedom at work!
But really, this was a long time coming to anybody paying attention at Playtonic. Anybody who followed Grant Kirkhope's Twitter knows he's left-leaning. Anti-Trump (had some choice words for him), Anti-Brexit, Pro-free immigration (no shit, considering video games are a global product and Rare in the good ol' days greatly benefitted from being able to hire from anywhere in Europe) I'd imagine most of Playtonic are left-leaning, as artists tend to be. But you really don't have to be some extreme liberal to reject JonTron's view of ethnic superiority.
What's really going to eat at Jon in the future, should he be introspective of his own role in this, isn't going to be the criticism he's getting from here or liberals in Twitter or the Mainstream Media boogeyman that's ruining his career. It's not going to be all of his old friends distancing themselves from him. If these are his deepest held beliefs, it's only natural for people to disagree to grow apart. What's going to eat at him is that his childhood heroes, the developers at Rare/Playtonic, Tim Schafer, Nintendo, etc. that made his favorite games, people he got to rub shoulders with and discuss game ideas with, maybe even the possibility to work with them on a game itself, will, most likely, permanently close their doors to him. He had a shot and he blew it. Oh sure he'll still have his subscribers and his twitter following, and he'll have to spend the rest of his time in the limelight convincing himself that it's better than what he's lost. That the grapes he has are definitely sweeter than the ones he threw into the fire.
GAF and the media are blamed for this simply because they don't want to accept that Playtonic did it on their own, because they disagree that immigrants dilute gene pools, that blacks are inherently criminal, and were horrified at those comments enough to distance themselves from him before letting a game aimed somewhere around the child-teen area get released. It must be those SJWs, right? And the Frankfurt School teaming up with the Illuminati! They poisoned his heroes against him, using free speech no less!
His time in the game industry isn't completely over, I'm sure. He might get some VA work for one of the developers more friendly to his politics and his views on ethnic purity. But it will be just that. Political. A dev using him to gain access to his fans. And that's not going to be the same as working on a spiritual sequel to one of his favorite games from his childhood, is it? And considering one of Grant Kirkhope's latest tweets is laughing at somebody mocking the idea of Jon's newer fans "boycotting" the game, it's gotta feel pretty empty what he traded a future with his heroes for.
Strangely enough, I dont think hes beyond all hope. Even George Wallace repented for his decades of racism. But whats going to make that outcome take longer, if at all, is his demeanor during that stream. This wasnt him being angry at some dude cutting him off in traffic and letting an epithet slip out. That can be all of us, and its easy to let learned inhibitions slide in anger. No, Jon delivered his comment with clear eyes and calm voice, with the timbre and pace of studied repetition. That will take some hard thought or some extreme life event to undo, and I dont think Boogie, who styles himself the Troubled Youtube Star whisperer, can undo it with platitudes.
If I was a developer I would be extremely hesitant to include any internet personalities in the development of my game in any fashion after this. This incident has established that any personalities could become a PR issue at the drop of a hat and that they will claim victimhood afterwards no matter the circumstances, blowing the issue up further. More than that, if you end up excluding them from the final release for any reason no matter how justified there will be a concerted effort by their fanbase, peers, and other groups to negatively affect the release and reception of your game. In the blink of an eye your heartwarming community outreach could backfire into the mess that Playtonic finds themselves in now, even though Playtonic's stance is so clearly justified.
If I were a developer all internet personalities would be considered damaged goods fit only for use as arms-length advertisement. They're all simply too unpredictable and ill disciplined and their fanbases too toxic to be trusted.
It's been a while since I've posted on GAF, mainly due to life circumstances and such.
The last thing I posted about was.. what, one of Anita Sarkessian's videos? Man it feels like such a long time ago.
The wonderful thing about free speech is that it's a great tool for identifying people you'd rather not associate with.
JonTron used his free speech to give everybody his opinion on who should enter the American gene pool, and whether Mexicans are trying to take over California, one taco truck at a time, to reclaim the Atzlan, because that's rational.
People who heard it used their free speech to say he's woefully ignorant, a racist, and a possible eugenicist.
The makers of the game he was involved in used their free speech and freedom of association to NOT associate with JonTron.
Freedom at work!
But really, this was a long time coming to anybody paying attention at Playtonic. Anybody who followed Grant Kirkhope's Twitter knows he's left-leaning. Anti-Trump (had some choice words for him), Anti-Brexit, Pro-free immigration (no shit, considering video games are a global product and Rare in the good ol' days greatly benefitted from being able to hire from anywhere in Europe) I'd imagine most of Playtonic are left-leaning, as artists tend to be. But you really don't have to be some extreme liberal to reject JonTron's view of ethnic superiority.
What's really going to eat at Jon in the future, should he be introspective of his own role in this, isn't going to be the criticism he's getting from here or liberals in Twitter or the Mainstream Media boogeyman that's ruining his career. It's not going to be all of his old friends distancing themselves from him. If these are his deepest held beliefs, it's only natural for people to disagree to grow apart. What's going to eat at him is that his childhood heroes, the developers at Rare/Playtonic, Tim Schafer, Nintendo, etc. that made his favorite games, people he got to rub shoulders with and discuss game ideas with, maybe even the possibility to work with them on a game itself, will, most likely, permanently close their doors to him. He had a shot and he blew it. Oh sure he'll still have his subscribers and his twitter following, and he'll have to spend the rest of his time in the limelight convincing himself that it's better than what he's lost. That the grapes he has are definitely sweeter than the ones he threw into the fire.
GAF and the media are blamed for this simply because they don't want to accept that Playtonic did it on their own, because they disagree that immigrants dilute gene pools, that blacks are inherently criminal, and were horrified at those comments enough to distance themselves from him before letting a game aimed somewhere around the child-teen area get released. It must be those SJWs, right? And the Frankfurt School teaming up with the Illuminati! They poisoned his heroes against him, using free speech no less!
His time in the game industry isn't completely over, I'm sure. He might get some VA work for one of the developers more friendly to his politics and his views on ethnic purity. But it will be just that. Political. A dev using him to gain access to his fans. And that's not going to be the same as working on a spiritual sequel to one of his favorite games from his childhood, is it? And considering one of Grant Kirkhope's latest tweets is laughing at somebody mocking the idea of Jon's newer fans "boycotting" the game, it's gotta feel pretty empty what he traded a future with his heroes for.
Strangely enough, I dont think hes beyond all hope. Even George Wallace repented for his decades of racism. But whats going to make that outcome take longer, if at all, is his demeanor during that stream. This wasnt him being angry at some dude cutting him off in traffic and letting an epithet slip out. That can be all of us, and its easy to let learned inhibitions slide in anger. No, Jon delivered his comment with clear eyes and calm voice, with the timbre and pace of studied repetition. That will take some hard thought or some extreme life event to undo, and I dont think Boogie, who styles himself the Troubled Youtube Star whisperer, can undo it with platitudes.
"Hi Twitter! Having fun cherry picking our posts to make us seem like absolute losers with nothing better to do than ruin a poor YouTuber's life cause he said something that clearly wasn't racist but it was?"
There are good YTers out there, but I'd be more hesitant about YTers associating with JonTron and defending him.
As a company, Playtonic is right, as a society breeding this enviroment of forbidden topics, we are creating giving up liberalism greatest asset, which is rationality in the face of hatred.
I don't think including a cameo of a personality which turns out to be an asshole one month before the release of the game should affect the game negatively in any way, and gamers shouldn't boycott it because of this. It's not their fault.
wasn't this the guy that basically said women being harassed have to defend themselves even if it's obvious people should help out or not do it in the first place, completely ignoring that women die over the word "no"
edit: yeah
some people just aren't worth the time
People do things all the time that may not "matter" in the context you're talking about, but they still do it.They could have left him there and it wouldn't really matter that much. For every three pissed off gaffers saying "I'm not buying the game of Jon is in it" they will probably still get hundreds of sales.
What does "cuck" mean in the context that's being used in this thread?
Well, one, Playtonic obviously does believe removing Jontron is the right thing to do as they've done it, and two, fuck his racist ass. I have nothing but respect for Play after this, especially because it's true that some people (not saying names) would probably champion the game as some bastion of SJW free politics and an in-road to their bigotry in game development while putting down serious money. I have nothing but disdain for Jontron.Gotta keep in mind that neogaf is not representative of the general gaming population.
It's cool they removed Jon if they believe is the right thing to do, but nobody outside of the gaming enthusiasts and backers will probably know anything about this controversy ever.
They could have left him there and it wouldn't really matter that much. For every three pissed off gaffers saying "I'm not buying the game of Jon is in it" they will probably still get hundreds of sales.
I don't think including a cameo of a personality which turns out to be an asshole one month before the release of the game should affect the game negatively in any way, and gamers shouldn't boycott it because of this. It's not their fault.
Cuck is short for cuckold, or someone whose spouse is cheating on them.
The use is a reference to MRA / anti-feminists who like to use the word to describe men that they feel aren't masculine enough in order to invalidate them on an emotional level.
Cuck is short for cuckold, or someone whose spouse is cheating on them.
The use is a reference to MRA / anti-feminists who like to use the word to describe men that they feel aren't masculine enough in order to invalidate them on an emotional level.
Or maybe Playtronic for their own piece of mind don't want to be associated with a racist.Gotta keep in mind that neogaf is not representative of the general gaming population.
It's cool they removed Jon if they believe is the right thing to do, but nobody outside of the gaming enthusiasts and backers will probably know anything about this controversy ever.
They could have left him there and it wouldn't really matter that much. For every three pissed off gaffers saying "I'm not buying the game of Jon is in it" they will probably still get hundreds of sales.
I don't think including a cameo of a personality which turns out to be an asshole one month before the release of the game should affect the game negatively in any way, and gamers shouldn't boycott it because of this. It's not their fault.
What does "cuck" mean in the context that's being used in this thread?
I think the most worrying part is how many people are flat out agreeing with Jon, not even hiding how racist they are.
"But Jon is right! If we let those flithy brown people into our country, they'll destroy our genes and turn America into Iraq! I can't believe Playtonic would try to hide the truth from us and silence Jon like that! It must be those Neogaf SJWs at it again!"
Not to mention the idea over making a conspiracy theory over THIS of all things is just god damn hilarious.