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Yooka-Laylee- Review Thread

MYeager

Member
Well then thats their review so it is what it is. Reviewing art is not like other jobs. Who would do that job and hate video games for example? Every game is 1/10 video games suck. This doesn't seem likely at all.

Art critics are some of the most critical folks out there, so I'm not sure that's a direction you want to go. For all the talk of games as art people sure don't want games criticized like art.
No one who reviews games dislikes games, but that doesn't make it less of a job. A person reviewing a game is playing it on a deadline typically and isn't playing it like other people, what might not bother you over a couple of hours might bother a person whose playing it all day to get it done.

There's also bias against a series that someone might not enjoy and bias for games within a genre. I love the Yakuza games, and know they're my thing. But they're a niche so if I review it I also try to be clear about the problems within the game as well since that niche isn't going to be for everyone. I'm also not the most objective source and I like reading the reviews from people who aren't fans of the series just to see what someone else makes of it.

Sometimes the person who doesn't like JRPGs is the best person to review one because they're not going in with pre-conceived notions of things that other fans might have come to accept, though they might not be able to speak to the historical differences in mechanical changes to the game. Sometimes the JRPG fan who loves that series is the best one because they can speak to that experience.

It's really good to get a wide range of opinions from people who are encountering it differently because everyone is going to go into the game with different experience backgrounds. There's no 'Only person meeting X criteria should review'. Because then a game like M&M Island Adventure rolls around and no one is a fan of pure manure so no one can warn people about it. There's no test for if a person should be allowed to have opinions on a game.

A game that relies on nostalgia is going to get a wide range of reviews. It will either feel dated, scratch that nostalgia itch, or remove the rose tinted glasses of those fond memories.
 

Endo Punk

Member
Reviews seem fair I suppose, going by (usually) my trusted source which is Gamespot and what actually was said, gotta say it did put me off. Hope a demo is released for all, I'd like to try it.
 

NEO0MJ

Member
At the very least, it's nice​ to know now that a game doesn't have to be platform exclusive to bring out the crazy in us.
 

zoukka

Member
It's sad how much an enthusiastic forum like GAF still cares about the metascore, even though many individual posts boast immunity to such folly.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Complains if the combat is brainless (YL)


Complains if combat requires brainpower, creativity and resourcefulness (BotW).


You guys see a trend here?
Uh, no? He likes the combat in Nioh, clearly his reasons for disliking some aspects of BotW's combat are not that it "requires brainpower, creativity and resourcefulness". e_e

It's almost like he's trolling or something.
It blows my mind people are defending him. Come on he knows what he's doing.
Having dissenting opinions and defending them with valid arguments? That jerk!
 

Karak

Member
ACG's comment about wall transperency is interesting & I wonder why more developers dont implement it especially with game involving plenty of close quarters spaces.

We actually had some devs come on recently and the topic came up. And it is a matter of more resources and some additional expertise and it can hit performance a bit depending on how you handle it.

personally I think its worth it. Fighting that fucking camera while trying to jump in the later stages can get next level infuriating.
 

orborborb

Member
I'm not going to trust a review of this game unless that reviewer played the original Banjo Kazooie recently and agrees with me that it is still a better game than most of the 90+ metacritic games of the last 10 years. And this isn't childhood nostalgia, I originally played it pretty much just by myself in college.

That said, Banjo Tooie was an 8/10 game then and a 7/10 game today, and Donkey Kong 64 was worse than that, so I am also quite willing to believe that Yooka Laylee follows more in their less impressive footsteps.

Reviews complaining about the camera, confusing level design, and timed racing sections convinced me to preorder though since those are some of the main things I was looking forward to.
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
We actually had some devs come on recently and the topic came up. And it is a matter of more resources and some additional expertise and it can hit performance a bit depending on how you handle it.

personally I think its worth it. Fighting that fucking camera while trying to jump in the later stages can get next level infuriating.
Thinking of that, does anyone remember that awful Orphen PS2 launch title? The camera could clip through the walls and actually move outside of the map boundaries. You could see the rest of the level geometry in the distance. It looked unbelievably glitchy - like using "noclip" in Quake.
 

Laughing Banana

Weeping Pickle
It's sad how much an enthusiastic forum like GAF still cares about the metascore, even though many individual posts boast immunity to such folly.

To care for other people's opinions about something that you enjoy is just human. I bet you too care about things that you like/buy being judged by other people.
 
It's sad how much an enthusiastic forum like GAF still cares about the metascore, even though many individual posts boast immunity to such folly.

A lot of people on GAF are still in denial that the Gaming side of this forum is often no better than somewhere like game FAQs and N4G. The past few months have been evidence of this. The toxicity that certain reviews, games and news has shed light on here recently is disgusting.
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
Just to note - Yooka received a 4.5gb patch yesterday on Xbox One.

A lot of people on GAF are still in denial that the Gaming side of this forum is often no better than somewhere like game FAQs and N4G. The past few months have been evidence of this. The toxicity that certain reviews, games and news has shed light on here recently is disgusting.
Its way better than that, though. Come on. The mods do great work here.
 

Blues1990

Member
Ideally, the PC version is the way to go if I want a more stable frame-rate? It's between that and the Nintendo Switch version (portability VS. visual fidelity) that's my main draw.
 

notaskwid

Member
The hate Jim Sterling has garnered from Nintendo fans is incredible lol.
No matter being one of the most outspoken gaming personalities on consumer rights and gender/race representation.
 

groansey

Member
Uh, no? He likes the combat in Nioh, clearly his reasons for disliking some aspects of BotW's combat are not that it "requires brainpower, creativity and resourcefulness". e_e

Having dissenting opinions and defending them with valid arguments? That jerk!

The implication is that he chooses to have exaggerated dissenting opinions over key titles in order to raise his profile. It's called cynicism. He may or may not be doing that, but let people make up their own mind, without a JS defense force breathing down their neck.

Yooka Layle looks a solid retro 3D title and the reviews are broadly positive - I'd say pre-orderers can rest easy they're getting the game they were promised.
 

Richie

Member
Starting to think the Switch version's delay may be a blessing in disguise if it gets Playtonic to iron it out prior to release (alongside a patch for other versions).
 

Cerium

Member
The hate Jim Sterling has garnered from Nintendo fans is incredible lol.
No matter being one of the most outspoken gaming personalities on consumer rights and gender/race representation.

This game is launching on everything except Nintendo systems. Not sure why you're blaming Nintendo fans.
 

packy34

Member
This game is launching on everything except Nintendo systems. Not sure why you're blaming Nintendo fans.

Because of his Zelda review. There are dozens of posts in this thread stating that his entire body of critical work is now invalid because he gave that game a 7.
 

Cerium

Member
Because of his Zelda review. There are dozens of posts in this thread stating that his entire body of critical work is now invalid because he gave that game a 7.

I mean if you're going to call out individuals then start pulling quotes but I don't think it's logical to generalize the fanbase of the one console that this game doesn't have a release date for.
 

notaskwid

Member
Well, guess I'll wait for a sale (66-75% off).

Also, 2/10 from Jim is absolutely ridiculous.

Why? He said he dislikes everything about the game except the music and the graphics which could be good if the framerate was stable, which was not the case on the version he played.
 
It's sad how much an enthusiastic forum like GAF still cares about the metascore, even though many individual posts boast immunity to such folly.

To be fair, there is heavy selection bias in review threads.

I don't care about review scores, and so you won't see me posting much in review threads (except to answer meta posts like this one). The only people that comment in these threads are the people that care.

GAF is a community where a lot of people care about review scores and a lot of people don't. I don't think it's fair to claim that GAF as a single entity cares much about the metascore.
 

groansey

Member
Why? He said he dislikes everything about the game except the music and the graphics which could be good if the framerate was stable, which was not the case on the version he played.

It's evident to anyone remotely familiar and experienced with videogames, certainly people who were around when Banjo Kazooie came out, that on any review scale, a 2/10 or 1/5 is a game that is very broken and hard to recommend, and it's discernable from other reviewers and video footage, that this game is not broken, it looks nice and looks to perform just fine and a lot like BK. It isn't perfect. There are bland levels and camera problems. A score of 4 or 5/10 would've been enough to hammer home this is a mediocre title for a niche audience. It's averaging 7/10 so reviewers are broadly positive and quite liked it. In this context, a 2 is ridiculous score.
 

Yukinari

Member
Wait does this game not have the camera control from Kazooie where you hold down a shoulder button and the camera follows behind you? That was a major improvement Kazooie had over Mario 64.
 
It's not MN9 levels of bad, so I'll definitely check it out.

I feel deserve a sale for all the stupid shit that racist cuntwaffle and his supporters have been putting them through.
 

notaskwid

Member
It's evident to anyone remotely familiar and experienced with videogames, certainly people who were around when Banjo Kazooie came out, that on any review scale, a 2/10 or 1/5 is a game that is very broken and hard to recommend, and it's discernable from other reviewers and video footage, that this game is not broken, it looks nice and looks to perform just fine and a lot like BK. It isn't perfect. There are bland levels and camera problems. A score of 4 or 5/10 would've been enough to hammer home this is a mediocre title for a niche audience. It's averaging 7/10 so reviewers are broadly positive and quite liked it. In this context, a 2 is ridiculous score.

So, he personally dislikes everything about something and tells it so in writing form. But when it comes to the number he assigns to said game he should increase it because reasons? I don't know if I agree with him or not, I haven't played the game, but given what he wrote in his review, 2/10 is completely justifiable from where he is coming.
 
Oh so the camera is just really that bad and not even quality of life features can redeem it. I hope it get patched then.

I don't know, it's not really silky smooth but it gets its job done. Depends on where you are in the game, I guess? Corridors and stuff.

In the Toybox demo I had zero problems with it.

Btw, anyone who can still play games like Tooie, DK64, Jet Force Gemini or even the old N64 Zeldas (you don't remember the terrible camera, do you? :D) and technically enjoy them should get along just fine.
 

Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
A lot of people on GAF are still in denial that the Gaming side of this forum is often no better than somewhere like game FAQs and N4G. The past few months have been evidence of this. The toxicity that certain reviews, games and news has shed light on here recently is disgusting.
I've always said GAF is just a more exclusive GameFAQs.
 
Reception and sales are always so nerve wracking with Kickstarter games. It just always seems like there's more on the line. It's not just that I want Yooka-Laylee to be good for the sake of a genre I wish was more prominent, but it always feels like the Kickstarter as a platform takes damage from failures. It was so important for Mighty No. 9 to be a good game and the team was so focused on trying to make some overly ambitious multi-media thing they forgot about making a good game. It seems like the Kickstarter flops hurt it's reputation far more than the successes like Undertale and Darkest Dungeon help it.
 

groansey

Member
So, he personally dislikes everything about something and tells it so in writing form. But when it comes to the number he assigns to said game he should increase it because reasons? I don't know if I agree with him or not, I haven't played the game, but given what he wrote in his review, 2/10 is completely justifiable from where he is coming.

That may be his personal opinion and the text correlates with the score, but if I were to review Jurassic World and give it 2/10 because I hate dinosaurs - does that make me a reviewer consumers should listen to? Why not a 1/10? Jim made his feelings clear before they embargo lifted over performance issues, I've yet to see backed up by other reviewers. It's weird because the frame drops in BotW were obvious from every video yet YL looks totally smooth.

I won't be buying YL at launch because I never liked BK much, but when it's on sale it looks like there's some fun to be had exploring the environments.
 

ramparter

Banned
So a game released in the 90's that got 9's and 10's is now bad because games are different now? Alright.

I just replayed Banjo Kazooie last month and I don't get this at all. This game is still a 9-10/10 for me. I couldn't care less about framerate and camera issues. I completed this game as a kid and I managed to complete it 21 years later. I'm not saying that you shouldn't criticize the game for camera and framerate issues but the gameplay itself is intentional. It's still as good as it was 20 years ago. And it's still unique because those games died long ago.

Yooka-Laylee is the exact same game so I won't listen to these scores at all. Why didn't anyone criticize Shovel Knight because of the gameplay being oldschool, outdated and frustrating?

DOOM got great scores for being an oldschool game. Do you think DOOM would've get low scores if it had framerate issues? I don't think so.

There's something wrong with reviews nowadays. I read them but I don't listen to them at all.
I agree with you about Banjo Kazooie, it was almost perfect then and it's almost perfect now for what it is.

But how you say Yooka Laylee is the same? How? How do you know it's not DK64 or Tooie? The worlds look as big as ever so closer to Tooie in that regard. There are also a lot of mini games like in DK64.

I get that you may be pissed because the old formula arguments is thrown a lot. I agree with you in that regard. I'm tired of every idiot saying "yeah collectathos just arent fun" etc. Maybe it's not for them but this is another story. I don't care about games like God of War, Assassins Creed, Metal Gear Solid and many more but I don't go in their threads and say how bad their formulas are.

My biggest concern right now is that when all is said and done instead of focusing on the game's problems people will just say "it's a game that belongs in the 90s and never should've released"
 
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