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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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All of his devices go for a premium price, so I'm expecting a minimum of $499 now.
I imagine they did have a promotion of sort.
Aceofspades
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Next Sony console will be a proper next gen console. Not a refresh like PRO/Scorpio
Can only imagine once the actual thing hits & we get the game comparison videos from DF. Oh boy.
I can accept $499. Better not higher than that, or it would be suicide.
Lol you were saying that the Scorpio would be able to run Horizon at 4k 60fps, turns out they seem to be not even targeting 4k 60fps for Forza: Horizon 3.Hey, Scorpio looks like it may deliver beyond my expectations. If those results DF saw hold, it's an absolute beast in every sense of the word.
rokkerkory
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GarthVaderUK
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"Largely" - I didn't mean everything and everyone was spot on
And I'm pretty sure we've had months debate here on GAF even covering whether or not Scorpio would be able to pull off native 4K at 60fps at all, and it moved to whether there'd be any room for further enhancements - there was someone here literally last night still lolling at the prospect
Having read the impressions througout the day today, I don't think it's unfair to say people have been impressed with the apparent performance in the Forza demonstration, and indeed DF are too - if it exactly met your personal expectations, nice one
tiredheadcrab
Member
This wasnt sponsored. They would have to state it if it was. Its UK law.
Seriously this is getting sad. DF was impressed by what they saw and people are loosing it. Why am I still surprised.
I remember they were very impressed with the Pro as well.
Think the DF article alluded to that size, too.
Tripolygon
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Correction
SHAFT MASTER
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FlutterPuffs
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I still am, if you expect 4k60fps out of most games. Most are sceptical about that."Largely" - I didn't mean everything and everyone was spot on
And I'm pretty sure we've had months and months of debate here on GAF even covering whether or not Scorpio would be able to pull off native 4K at 60fps at all, and if it could there whetehr there'd be any room for further enchancements - there was someone here literally last night still lolling at the prospect
Having read the impressions throughput the day today, I don't think it's unfair to say people have been impressed with the apparent performance in the Forza demonstration, and indeed DF are too - if it exactly met your personal expectations, nice one
4k60fps will be far and between. The new Forza could for instance, or most sports games.
PopcornMegaphone
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Where are you getting that?
dragonelite
Member
I think no one expected a more advance cooling system to push those clock counts up.
I was pretty sure it would be Vega with conventional cooling. Jaguar or Zen my heart wanted Zen but my brain said jaguar.
scoobs
Member
DF video mentioned 4K/30fps for Horizons 3 I believe.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
What about this though?
EDIT: and this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...-five-ways-your-existing-games-will-be-better
PopcornMegaphone
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GarthVaderUK
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I agree it'll be on a game by game basis, and developers are free to choose what to target. 4K 60fps is certainly achievable, and apparently with 4K assets and other improvements too, which is cool.
SenjutsuSage
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My expectations were 980/980 ti range performance as a high mark. Today I'm hearing GTX 1070. Sure, it was an ideal situation with a very well optimized engine, but it's looking to beat my performance expectations if what I read today ends up proving true.
I expected Zen and Vega, but my performance expectations for that setup was 980/980 Ti in a console box. Scorpio appears to be better than that without the need for either. I'd say that's potentially great news.
rokkerkory
Member
My expectations were 980/980 ti range performance as a high mark. Today I'm hearing GTX 1070. Sure, it was an ideal situation with a very well optimized engine, but it's looking to beat my performance expectations if what I read today ends up proving true.
I expected Zen and Vega, but my performance expectations for that setup was 980/980 Ti in a console box. Scorpio appears to be better than that without the need for either. I'd say that's potentially great news.
Because of this i am hoping price wont go above $450
SenjutsuSage
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Why would they? No point. Not every game is meant to be 60fps.
Always thought that was the sweet spot for this, but prepared to see what they charge. Whatever it is, I'm paying it.
Tripolygon
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Looking back at my prediction. Not bad at all.
I think expecting more like 980 performance is a smart thing to stick with. Though no doubt MS did a very good job getting the clock speed they did.My expectations were 980/980 ti range performance as a high mark. Today I'm hearing GTX 1070. Sure, it was an ideal situation with a very well optimized engine, but it's looking to beat my performance expectations if what I read today ends up proving true.
I expected Zen and Vega, but my performance expectations for that setup was 980/980 Ti in a console box. Scorpio appears to be better than that without the need for either. I'd say that's potentially great news.
The CPU is also nowhere near a Zen, so that area of performance will not measure up to your (unrealistic
) expectations.
I'm sure that if they could easily achieve it they would be like "nah, who needs it anyway"
TerryLee81
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As long as they let me chose 1080p/60 I'm fine with that.
This is true. I need 60fps when playing Forza 6, but when its an open world racer like Forza Horizon it would be like 'eww, this 60fps seems excessive.'
Way bigger.
PopcornMegaphone
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To break it down in to something that's easy to conceptualize - Scorpio is about 8,000 Atrai 2600's duck taped together.
Tripolygon
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Scorpio is about 40% more powerful than PS4 Pro and 5 times more powerful than Xbox One, so no.
I'm glad that at least there's will be some resemblance of sanity in Scorpio threads after this reveal.
No endless bickering for 15+ pages with everyone jumping up and down that it's a RyZEN CPU just because Scorpio showed up on some display stand, or actual discussion of vague forum posts that boast 4K60FPS with ultra settings for every single game.
Microsoft managed to squeeze good performance out of relatively older architectures like Jaguar/Polaris and will probably be ending up with a decent pricepoint because of it.
That's vastly preferable over the Zen/Vega alternative, regardless of power. Microsoft weren't stupid enough to go pricing themselves out of the market.
Joking, right?
No endless bickering for 15+ pages with everyone jumping up and down that it's a RyZEN CPU just because Scorpio showed up on some display stand, or actual discussion of vague forum posts that boast 4K60FPS with ultra settings for every single game.
Microsoft managed to squeeze good performance out of relatively older architectures like Jaguar/Polaris and will probably be ending up with a decent pricepoint because of it.
That's vastly preferable over the Zen/Vega alternative, regardless of power. Microsoft weren't stupid enough to go pricing themselves out of the market.
Joking, right?
...they could atleast give us an option?
I hope 1080/60 is in though as I would love to play a Horizon game in 60fps.
Sad Affleck
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These hardware refreshes make me think that we are in for another long console generation.
Might not be possible as the CPU isn't a huge improvement over XB1.
Deckard Chapel
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As a consumer and potential buyer of the Xbox Scorpio, I want to know specifically about what Rockstar's plans are regarding Red Dead Redemption 2 for both consoles.
What's the definitive platform to play it on - as far as image quality, graphics, texture quality, level of detail, assets, view distance, resolution and framerate - is it PS4 Pro or Xbox Scorpio??
I'm not going to make an investment in one or the other and then realize that I made the wrong choice without an informed decision based on technical specifications and what I can expect from the final product.
Surely I can't be alone on this...
What's the definitive platform to play it on - as far as image quality, graphics, texture quality, level of detail, assets, view distance, resolution and framerate - is it PS4 Pro or Xbox Scorpio??
I'm not going to make an investment in one or the other and then realize that I made the wrong choice without an informed decision based on technical specifications and what I can expect from the final product.
Surely I can't be alone on this...
Milly Osworth
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The best news is that because of this race for 4K, I can choose the 60 fps mode for games. 👍🏼
I'm expecting it to be 4K/30 1800p checkerboarded on PS4 Pro and somewhere around 4K/30 native on Xbox Scorpio. That power differential is going to get gobbled up fast if Scorpio truly wants to position itself as a native 4K console.
The DF face-off pre-launch will show us whether the extra visual clarity is substantial or not. I'm guessing it won't be a huge difference either way.
Visuals and performance will be better on Scorpio.
It screams $399 except for the wildcard of the cooling. Even the extra ram should be something MS can absorb. The rest is mostly an Xbox one S with an APU the size of the ps pro (albeit possibly binned or lower yields due to needing to hit higher clock speeds?)
I think $399. Ps pro likely to get a small price adjustment
After sleeping on it ....Yes, this thing is a little box of wonderment...The customisations on top of the differences is components compared to the Pro should mean quite a noticable difference...for people coming from the XB1 the difference will be huge....and PS4 slightly less so...These are the peeps Scorpio is trying to attract IMO...Absolutely it will be my main 3rd party platform of choice, while of course keeping Pro for the PS exclusives. Also the hate DF are getting ...astounds me....In all videos from yesterday not ONCE did i get a sense of them doing anything other than simply report the news...bias this bias that, i just didn't/don't see it...Sorry.
Going to stick to my guns with pricing after speaking to a few of my dev chums to get their thoughts on this thing...
$449/£399
Going to stick to my guns with pricing after speaking to a few of my dev chums to get their thoughts on this thing...
$449/£399
Textures could be a big factor. Absolute resolution might be more even like you say if the reconstruction method used is a solid one in RDR2
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
haha no.
Way way more. Given that for all intents and purposes the Wii WAS a GameCube.