th3sicknness
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Mario Kart 8 - Switch vs Wii U comparison
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The Omega Man
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Why do people want "upgrade discount"? Isn't this a new release on a totally different console?
Yes, but they want it, so it's not fair.
I expect modbot to come close this thread soon unfortunately.
What was a graphics & performance comparison topic has been derailed to a debate on the price tag and whether it's worth it or not.
Maybe someone could make a separate thread about this? Because I expect all the fucking MK8 thread to be polluted by people whining about the MSRP.
What was a graphics & performance comparison topic has been derailed to a debate on the price tag and whether it's worth it or not.
Maybe someone could make a separate thread about this? Because I expect all the fucking MK8 thread to be polluted by people whining about the MSRP.
This exactly. I don't know why people don't get it. The price is absolutely fair to anybody who didn't drop 80 on it yet. I don't care if they do a full-price rerelease, the value is still great. But not if I already own 90% of what they're selling. All I want is the remaining 10%. Why would I pay 60 for just that when they previously were able to offer DLC for the base game as well? The Wii U being "dead" is not an excuse. Their new console only released a month ago. Look at other publishers supporting their last gen versions of games with DLC for much longer.
It's not like anyone is asking for a free upgrade. We want to pay, lol.
BlackHeron
Neo Member
It is okay if you think it is not fair to buy the game if you already bought it on Wii U, but that is not the case for everyone.
Most of the re-releases hitting the market have been full priced for years and years, and I find it weird people are still trying to get them at lower prices.
It is the way it is and the way it will always be.
I'm a core Nintendo fan and I diagree with you and the other stance. Same logic applies to other companies release an upgraded port. Companies owe you "nothing" to upgrade. Seems most of you guys are bitter gamers that feel abandoned when Nintendo dropped rhe Wii U. We all knew the Wii U was in danger of being discontinued but we bought if for the Nintendo franchises. Also this Mario Kart edition is portable to play, on top of the price. That in itself warrants its price now. Wait it out till Black Friday, thats all I can say for cost conscious gamers.
You can sell your WiiU MK8 disc if you want, and then pretend its a "discount".
The Omega Man
Member
Let me ask you something, on what console do you want this "10%"?
bananafactory
Banned
Guys if you don't like the price then don't buy it.
This isn't much of an upgrade from the WiiU version so I'm gonna pass. But it's cool that people who missed it the first time will get to play.
This isn't much of an upgrade from the WiiU version so I'm gonna pass. But it's cool that people who missed it the first time will get to play.
Gotdatmoney
Member
The price talk is tired. Okay you feel cheated. We get it. Not every thread needs to be centered on how it sucks.
Because not all decisions need to be or should be made completely on the axis of profit or profit+x.
As well no one is arguing Msrp should be lower, most if not all agree that $60 is fair for the package but it wouldn't hurt them to offer a digital upgrade path at a discount for previous owners. It only engenders good will.
The reason people begrudgingly buy this a second time is because they don't expect Nintendo to do them a solid so they suck it up.
I get it, a lot you guys will get your $60 worth again out of it. I probably could get my value out of it, but I try not to support these practices.
I personally do not believe it to be a viable long term business practice. It eventually catches up to companies when people start feeling nickel and dimed over and over.
Also, I can point to multiple instances, say on Steam, where a dev/pub gave free upgrades to special or definitive editions for previous owners. It didn't hurt them financially and it only served to engender the customers to their brand more. I view THQ Nordic and Bethesda and Larian studios a lot higher than I did before due to these kinds of moves and I am now more likely to support them going forward because, I currently have the feeling they got my back as a customer.
Also you guys need to stop using the word OWE, no one is saying they Owe anyone a goddamned thing. We are talking about expecting more from the companies we give patronage to. It is a very healthy discussion to have. It is about determining if a company truly values you as a customer. There's a difference and a good discussion to have. Nintendo is one of those companies that seems to take one step forward and one step back. They don't seem consistent in this regard. You can look at a lot of interviews from when Kimishima took over and talk of building loyalty and rewarding it with things like MyNintendo but it seems their actions are speaking louder than those words.
Again, stop with the OWE business because no one is saying that and cut that paper tiger crap outta here.
It's a bit of a stretch calling it an all new release, but it's in line with a game of the year addition with all the DLC + extras, $60 isn't unreasonable, especially how nintendo generally don't drop prices on older stuff.
I traded my mario kart 8 for wii-u in when this was revealed, between that and gcu, the game isn't breaking the bank. It's a better looking, better performing version with all the extras that I can take on the go. Would I like to pay less for it? Of course. Do I expect to? No.
Those are also digital licences on the same platform being upgraded from one to the other. I'm glad they did it, but it's not a perfect comparison. The majority of MK8 owners on Wii-U had a disc, only providing an upgrade path for digital customers would have opened a different can of worms.
I traded my mario kart 8 for wii-u in when this was revealed, between that and gcu, the game isn't breaking the bank. It's a better looking, better performing version with all the extras that I can take on the go. Would I like to pay less for it? Of course. Do I expect to? No.
Those are also digital licences on the same platform being upgraded from one to the other. I'm glad they did it, but it's not a perfect comparison. The majority of MK8 owners on Wii-U had a disc, only providing an upgrade path for digital customers would have opened a different can of worms.
Nintendo could easily release the switch version additions as added dlc to the wii u version I would buy it. Paying $60 again for mk 8 with added entry cost of the new console is a no no another thing holding back a mk8 deluxe purchase is the time spent on the wii u version I do not want spend all the time to three star every course every circuit all over again would be nice if my mario kart 8 wii u save could transfer to the deluxe version.
Some people don't think the price is fair for those who already have it on Wii U, ok it's a legitimate opinion, you have the option to not buy it. But i doubt someone who is planning to buy it again will read your posts and think: "well, now that you're saying, i'm convinced that Nintendo is scamming us, no buy from me!"
I bought GTA V for full price 3 times (plus some stupid shark card that i never used), i'm a sucker, can we discuss the differences in the video now?
I bought GTA V for full price 3 times (plus some stupid shark card that i never used), i'm a sucker, can we discuss the differences in the video now?
My stance on this is Nintendo is right to sell the disc game at full price (knowing it's 45 at Auchan in France, 47 on amazon.fr, and 49 at most places). Selling your game is easy and makes the upgrade affordable.
But they should apply a discount for people who got it digital on Wii U.
But they should apply a discount for people who got it digital on Wii U.
I'll get it regardless.
Minsc
Gold Member
Seems logical. If you own it on Wii U, just sell it for a discount off the Switch version. The Wii U version still sells for a premium doesn't it? Even Amazon is buying it for ~$24, so that will bring the price of this new version down to ~$35, and if you use one of those deals where you get a giftcard for 10-20% off, you're down to around $30 to upgrade. And if that isn't enough, then sell now, and buy when it drops to $50 or less, then you'll be upgrading for $20-$25, it's not that bad is it?
People wanting "upgrade discounts" are legitimately nuts, and are prime examples of the entitlement that exists solely in the videogame industry. Book to Kindle, DVD to Blu-ray, cassette to CD, futon to couch, or any other number of format changes, none of them offer something like that.
You paid for a product. This is another product. That's really the long and short of it.
You paid for a product. This is another product. That's really the long and short of it.
Wii U.
As I said before, I'm talking about offering this stuff as DLC, as they did before. But then people said something about "dead console" or just ignored it and kept saying "but it's a new release on a new platform".
kitchenmotors
Banned
Exactly.
People are acting entitled and it's ridiculous. And being called an idiot because you feel the price is fair is absurd.
Yet again someone who isn't actually reading the posts.
Why would someone who paid $80 for the game and DLC pay an additional $60 for the Battle Mode? It isn't about being entitled to anything. It isn't about feeling Nintendo owes us. It's about there being next to no incentive for people who aren't Nintendo faithful to rebuy the game.
And you can say 'well don't buy it'. And I won't. But I feel that is profit on the table for Nintendo, not to mention it's just shitty considering the people who bought the Wii U were already screwed over by it being killed off early and having shitty support. It would be a good thing PR wise for Nintendo to do, and several people have given examples of other companies who do this in the damn thread. It isn't unheard of.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Gonna activate a Gamefly trial the week of the 28th to give the game a rental.
Loved Mario Kart, but not quite enough to drop another $60 on it. I'd like to see if the bump to 1080p is noticeable though.
Loved Mario Kart, but not quite enough to drop another $60 on it. I'd like to see if the bump to 1080p is noticeable though.
Alcotholic
Banned
For those of you who bought the game at full price for the Wii U, remember that you were probably one of the ones who got a second game out of it.
Additionally, it includes the DLC, new battle mode and extra characters- An $80 value for $60. Yeah, it's a 3 year old game, but so what?
I don't see how questioning the price is a thing.
Additionally, it includes the DLC, new battle mode and extra characters- An $80 value for $60. Yeah, it's a 3 year old game, but so what?
I don't see how questioning the price is a thing.
kitchenmotors
Banned
This could literally apply to any product that has some sort of upgrade and is reintroduced to an expanded audience.
People are acting like Nintendo deserves to give them something, which they don't. And those of us who will support this game new at the price point aren't supporting terrible business practices. I see value in what they're offering and I'll pay for it.
If you don't want it don't buy it, Nintendo obviously doesn't care about this niche you complainers are making. If the mk8 servers were getting shut down when Deluxe releases you'd have a point, but the game will be functional for at least another couple years if the Wii server life is anything to go buy. If you want the new one with the new content, open your wallet.
The Omega Man
Member
I understand now where you're coming from, but yeah, knowing Nintendo they are betting all in now on the new horse.
For those of you who bought the game at full price for the Wii U, remember that you were probably one of the ones who got a second game out of it.
Additionally, it includes the DLC, new battle mode and extra characters- An $80 value for $60. Yeah, it's a 3 year old game, but so what?
I don't see how questioning the price is a thing.
I remembered this last night too, but not everyone was able to partake in this, but you have a valid point. I do want to say though, you just gave a great example of how Nintendo gets it sometimes. They didn't need to do this, in fact it may have impacted their bottom line but they did it for the customer.
They need to keep doing stuff like this.
Me personally I am probably just going to wait for an inevitable sale or MyNintendo discount. The door is always open.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I agree with that. But in this case you have one of the most powerful properties in gaming. You leverage it. Same reason why CoD and Battlefield love shitty map packs, premium members etc etc. Because you have the brand dominance that good will is less important than X dollars you can generate. This isnt really about me being against cheaper shit for all. I just grasp that there is a large difference between Mario Kart and whatever THQ Nordic will ever produce.
They dont need the good will
Which ties into the fact that MK has so much brand power they dont have to. If you bought MK8 at launch you got a free game. They did this to get people to buy it because the WiiU was a failed system. They arent going to use a franchise this massive to generate good will unless its needed.
Its a shitty pill to swallow for a game I already own but I dont really see why they wouldnt do it.
We could have a huge discussion about this but the precedent being MK8 on a 2 month old new systen doesnt strike me as being a huge deal.
That's nice but I am not buying this is really going to be a huge deal amoung the average person.
UnemployedVillain
Member
There is this group called "People who didn't own a Wii U or didn't own MK8" that could buy the game as well, you know? You guys seem to assume people double dipping are the only, or even the primary, targeted group for this game
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
For those of you who bought the game at full price for the Wii U, remember that you were probably one of the ones who got a second game out of it.
Additionally, it includes the DLC, new battle mode and extra characters- An $80 value for $60. Yeah, it's a 3 year old game, but so what?
I don't see how questioning the price is a thing.
Fun story - I ordered this from the NUK Webstore. There was a delivery delay so the store sent out a digital code so we could still play it on day 1. This of course meant, when the physical copy arrived, you had 2 free games. And selling the physical version of MK8 meant it was effectively 3 games for no charge.
Zelda BotW just had a 102% tie ratio for Nintendo Switch. You are representing a vocal minority of people that are upset that Nintendo is charging 60 dollars for this game.
This.
MK8 was a glorious game. I'm glad to see it back, particularly at 1080p and with the minor frame rate improvement. Having the option to play it on portable mode is also very welcome. I'm hoping we'll see some other Wii U games get similar treatment to fill out the release schedule.
I don't see a connection between the two.
FlaygletheBagel
Banned
His was a perfectly reasonable argument. Liken this to any other form of entertainment and it makes no sense to clamor for a reduced price. I bought most seasons of Seinfeld individually on DVD. When the complete "coffee table" collection with all 9 seasons came out with some extra bonus features that weren't on the individual DVDs, I didn't expect there to be some sort of discount for me, just because I got the DVDs individually. Hardly anyone does this in any other industry, so why does anyone feel entitled to it in the gaming industry?
Multiple people in this thread have argued for some kind of discount or incentive based on their "supporting" Nintendo or Nintendo needing to show consumer loyalty, which is definitely an argument based on a feeling of entitlement. So perhaps you should be reading the posts in this thread.
Let's put this in to perspective: this happens when a remaster is coming out for consoles as well, skyrim, divinity, etc,while the console versions that release at the same time are full price. So there's no actual precedent on consoles, just Nintendo, do this, cause i want it.
kitchenmotors
Banned
And I didn't realize this has been happening in other MK8 threads, people bitching about wanting a discount.
So y'all need to get out of here with that not reading the thread noise, because we obviously have people in here who want a discount because they bought the Wii U version.
The connection is that most Nintendo fans bought a new console to play a game that they could have played on the system they already owned. The majority will not care that Nintendo is charging 60 dollars for MK8D.
Gotdatmoney
Member
If you wanna just selectively quote then by all means.
Then these people just need to not buy if they don't see the value in it. I don't think Nintendo is leaving much on the table as people will buy this by hunger for AAA software on the platform.
About the bolded: Isn't the Wii U version's online still active? I don't get what you meaned by 'killed off early'.
I don't know what to tell you, other than this line of thinking really only exists in videogames.
Terminator 2 came out like 4 times on DVD, each with a supposed "better transfer" or "more special features". I'm sure that angered a small subset of people who bought the first "worst" version, but I'm willing to bet 98% of people didn't give a shit.
I don't really know how or why games are different in this respect. It's probably because, as you mentioned, there have been cases where publishers have had upgrade programs in instances like these, and it created a sense of "Hey, yeah! We should totally be getting newer versions at a discount!" But that should really be seen as an exception, not the rule.
And out of curiosity, how did the Wii U version have shitty support? The track count was bumped up by 50% for less than $15 lol. That's more support than literally any other Mario Kart in history has ever received.
Again, I don't want to sound patronizing to people here, but this really screams of a massive sense of entitlement.
What The Forest Taught Me
Member
They absolutely do owe Wii U owners. Imagine just how much further submerged in sewage their financials would have been without the relatively few whose purchases at least threw that ill-conceived, overpriced slab of woefully underpowered tech a half-inflated life preserver.
Why would you even make that statement when he repeatedly said that there is nothing wrong with the $60 MSRP in shops? Which is exactly what his first sentence, about people not actually reading the comments, referred to? How would Wii U DLC including the Deluxe content, or a discount for Wii U owners (the two options people actually keep bringing up, not a reduced MSRP) in any way affect "people who didn't own a Wii U"? Just, how?
What a strange comparison. DVDs have no way to be upgraded to BRs. There are no patches for BRs. There is no DLC sold for BRs.
There has been, on the other hand, paid DLC and free patches for Wii U Games, including Mario Kart 8 on Wii U. What exactly screams of a massive sense of entitlement if I'm asking for a 15€ DLC package on Wii U? Heck, I'm not even asking for a Switch upgrade! I don't want anything for free just because I bought something else before! All I see people asking for is an OPTION to get the remaining 10% of content they are missing out on for a fair price. I don't care if they do an upgrade programme at reduded prices (which would be nice of them, but not necessary) or just plain paid Wii U DLC. I just want the extra content, not the complete game on a different platform, for a fair price, which isn't 60€. The Deluxe version itself is OF COURSE worth 60€, that's not what I'm saying.
Lol, and posts like this is why I feel there's a massive sense of entitlement.
You bought a videogame, you didn't donate to a charity
kitchenmotors
Banned
I paid for a product that provided great games and more fun than the other systems during its lifespan. They don't owe anyone anything.
You buy a product and use it, Nintendo supported that device with games that the other big 2 could only dream of developing as 1st party titles. You could also throw out the same argument that Sony "owes" everyone for the Vita. But people got value out of it because indies and some 3rd parties stepped up.
If you don't like the product, don't buy it or sell it.