Jaded Alyx
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Mario Kart 8 - Switch vs Wii U comparison
- Thread starter Skeletos311
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Well, you did catch flak. But speaking as someone who won't hesitate to double dip (due to already knowing more Switch-owners than I ever did Wii U-owners and want to play them online/locally) despite having bought the game and all DLC on Wii U: I agree that some kind of discount would have been sympathetic.
Still, there's probably enough people like me for it to be bad business to offer it.
The PS3 had support for over twice as long as the wiiu. The PS4 was a completely accepted and standard new gen cycle after the PS3 reached a timely conclusion, not being cut short because of a lack of success on their part.
Yet:
$10 upgrade program that worked for both digital and physical games
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/l...-digital-upgrade-programme-full-instructions/
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/09/19/10-ps4-game-upgrade-process-detailed-by-sony
Aren't those cross gen games, not remasters with different and additional content?
He said remastered games with new content
You "relucantly" ordered the pizza? Mario Kart and Pizza aren't taxes, you can choose not to buy them if what's advertised is not enough for you. If Battle Mode was that big a deal to you then you could have either 1) not bought 8 unless Nintendo added a proper Battle Mode or 2) played the Battle Modes in either Wii or 64 which, IIRC, could both be played on Wii U at that time. Yes, it would be "good will" for Nintendo to give Wii U owners a discount but Nintendo is still a company and companies never, ever partake in good will if they don't feel like the benefits will outweigh the costs; that Pizzeria ain't cooking another Pizza for you.
Eh, I had Dominos earlier (I know, but it's not bad here in the UK), my mind was on Pizza and I wanted an analogy so...
Seems like a strange restriction, the PS4 games had improved visuals and extra effort put in yet were offered as an upgrade for $10. With absolutely no reason to, given how well the PS3 was supported.
A stark contrast to the situation here yet people try and shame others and insult them if they express disappointment that such a path wasn't offered.
Marty Chinn
Member
This is a completely terrible analogy that isn't even comparable to the arguments being made here nor the situation at hand. Your example with pizza might make sense if somehow Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U launched with a downloadable battle mode, then a year later, they stopped doing it, and then 6 months later after that, they allowed it again but denied the people in the middle group from getting the battle mode.
A more comparable example is if you went to a pizza place location in CA that ran out of pineapples, and then 3 years later went to the same chain pizza place in NY and demanded a discount because you got shafted on pineapples three years ago in a completely different location.
Not to mention, that program was announced prior to the game being released and was a well known quantity. It wasn't created retroactively three years later. People knew full well going into those games what was going on before they bought it.
MK8D has more than improved visuals and "extra effort."
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
The xbox had this too. Those wasnt "deluxe" games or anything though. Them the same exact games.
They're the same games running on newer hardware, and were developed in tandem before release. There's no additional content, and assets are virtually identical between the two.
The only product on the Switch that actually fits this is BOTW.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
How many GB is this game?
Call me entitled to your heart's desire but I expect some good will towards the people who supported them if that company looks after their customers.
You buy a console and expect it to get support for longer than 4 years.
I'm not saying every switch game ought to be released on the wiiu but battle mode dlc for the wiiu version and an upgrade discount seems reasonable for a company looking out for their customers, giving them a bone.
If Nintendo is saying not to expect anything, that they have no consideration for previous owners if their product ends up bombing, they will ditch you with no thought given - then that's their decision to make but I'm not satisfied with that level of customer loyalty, even Sony does better with constant discounts even for Vita titles.
Being asked to forgive and forget while they try their best to milk me is irrational.
Right, I should be grateful for the opportunity to buy the game again, I heard that already and it's insane.
You buy a console and expect it to get support for longer than 4 years.
I'm not saying every switch game ought to be released on the wiiu but battle mode dlc for the wiiu version and an upgrade discount seems reasonable for a company looking out for their customers, giving them a bone.
If Nintendo is saying not to expect anything, that they have no consideration for previous owners if their product ends up bombing, they will ditch you with no thought given - then that's their decision to make but I'm not satisfied with that level of customer loyalty, even Sony does better with constant discounts even for Vita titles.
Being asked to forgive and forget while they try their best to milk me is irrational.
Right, I should be grateful for the opportunity to buy the game again, I heard that already and it's insane.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
How are you being milked?
By not being given a chance to buy the battle mode as dlc, having to buy into their next system instead, and pay full price for the game...
:S
LegendofLex
Member
These were all third-party games with publishers trying to give incentives to people to upgrade to PS4 for games they'd just purchased less than a month before.
PS4 had plenty of $50 remasters with no new content.
Nintendo supported the system for four years even though their fans didn't reward them with $$$.
What else do you want to ask of them?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
With the dismal sales of the Wii U, I'm surprised Nintendo supported it as long as they did.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Don't buy it. What don't you understand? I think you're beating a dead horse and acting irrational, but to each their own.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Why should Nintendo support a dead console when they have a new one out that needs to do well for them???
They're a business first and foremost.
Skeletos311
Junior Member
Graphics comparisons!
kitchenmotors
Banned
Why do I get the feeling if this were another console manufacture, we wouldn't even have this discussion.
gingerbeardman
Member
Totally with you on this. They could and should give a discount to people who have bought the game and/or DLC digitally. Not sure how they can prove ownership of the physical copy.
LegendofLex
Member
There is another console manufacturer in this situation, and people just laugh at their failure now.
I'm not planning to.
And if that's going to be how they treat their customers then I don't see a reason to trust them with a Switch purchase before they actually deliver on all the games I expect.
I think I've said my piece on this and made my feelings clear.
Something doesn't seem right with the comparison, the wiiu version looks off.
If it is accurate, then the switch version is significantly cleaner and smoother, though some AA would have been nice - but it's not as bad with the higher resolution.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Then the people that bought it physically would whine...
Anyone?
LordOcidax
Member
The fake comparison page strike again. Find the mistake that the guy made this time.
https://youtu.be/182R3oi4DP0
https://youtu.be/182R3oi4DP0
Marty Chinn
Member
What does someone get if they bought over 50 Wii U games but not Mario Kart? Why is someone who bought Mario Kart more deserving of a reward for supporting the company than someone who bought more games? Why not have everyone who bought a Wii U get a Switch at a discount while you're at it? This whole notion you got short changed in the lifespan of the console and they owe you is nuts.
You're being unrealistic, unreasonable and yes even entitled in your expectations.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Pretty sure it's standard in the Switch game.
Explain how it makes any sense for Nintendo to do battle mode DLC for the Wii U version of the game in 2017 when the player base for MK8 on Wii U has likely drastically shrunk since the first two DLC packs. Further decreasing sales potential of any battle mode DLC the Wii U version could possibly muster; thus not warranting Nintendo to take a hit in revenue just to please a minority of their consumer base? Especially when they already took a revenue hit by giving away a free game to a minority of their consumers who bought MK8 and registered it on Club Nintendo.
A battle mode DLC for Wii U was never in the cards. Once they stopped updating MK8 with new amiibo compatibility, that was when all support for the Wii U version was done. They were done putting money into it and having people work on it.
MK8DX is a separate budgeted release. There was never going to be any battle mode DLC for the Wii U version and the idea of it somehow being logical to do it in 2017 for a minority of players (yes, you are a minority) is very silly.
A Link to the Past
Banned
The discussion is so strange to me. Remastered games get a lot of scrutiny, and typically, a remaster is not $60. Criticizing Nintendo for this price point isn't doing anything more than treating them similarly to other developers.
They don't have to do the DLC, but they will be criticized by the minority of players for not doing it, especially given that Battle Mode is something that was conspicuously absent and should have been free. Also, Nintendo gave away a free game on Club Nintendo as an incentive to get people to use Club Nintendo as a service and give them valuable survey information, ultimately giving away games that have been released for a while and have since stopped selling much.
They don't have to do the DLC, but they will be criticized by the minority of players for not doing it, especially given that Battle Mode is something that was conspicuously absent and should have been free. Also, Nintendo gave away a free game on Club Nintendo as an incentive to get people to use Club Nintendo as a service and give them valuable survey information, ultimately giving away games that have been released for a while and have since stopped selling much.
The graphics look dope. Mario Kart 8 is a gorgeous game.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Great post, good points.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
You bought a video game 3 years ago and got a full free game with it along with a sizeable season pass for $12. Id love it if every company treated me like that.
^ The game was great, but the system got cut short. It's a first party game, Nintendo could have given wiiu owners a bone for a feature that was widely requested on the WiiU version of MK8.
Someone who bought MK would be interested in battle mode dlc for MK.
Someone who bought MK would be interested in battle mode dlc for MK.
Marty Chinn
Member
Did you even read what I said? Your response addresses nothing I said.
A Link to the Past
Banned
But don't forget, it doesn't make business sense for them to do that, therefore Nintendo should not be criticized.
It makes long-term business sense to keep your customers satisfied with the support they give to platforms.
They aren't more deserving, it's just something they would be interested in.
They should offer other upgrade incentives too.
A Link to the Past
Banned
The issue too is that people like to criticize the idea of an upgrade incentive by arguing that other people don't get that incentive. Such incentives do not need to be even handed - it's not some checkmate situation, where you point out "if you do this for [X], you'll have to do it for everything!"
Marty Chinn
Member
I'm interested in a free Nintendo Switch but I have no expectations of Nintendo giving me one even though I've bought over four hundred games on their platforms over the years. I don't even expect a 10% discount for my support. Neither should you. It's unrealistic and unreasonable to expect such things based on "loyalty".
It's not unreasonable, it's completely reasonable and builds customer-company trust and makes it more likely they will keep buying your products (not the free switch part
).A Link to the Past
Banned
Can I expect that an enhanced port will be priced similarly to other enhanced ports? Or is this a Nintendo tax?
Marty Chinn
Member
It is an unreasonable expectation. It is unreasonable to go back and put more development time and money into a dead version of a game on a dead platform. It is unreasonable for you to expect incentives for a game you bought three years ago because you feel owed by Nintendo. These are all unreasonable things. The fact that you expect them and are disappointed is because you have unreasonable expectations.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Nintendo is a business, they're not your friends.
Why is it that people feel entitled to hand outs or discounts?
You got what you paid for 3 years ago.
LegendofLex
Member
You can expect that Mario Kart 8 won't be cheaper on Switch than it currently is on Wii U.
I have higher expectations of what I want to see but it's hardly asking the world from Nintendo.
A Link to the Past
Banned
A handout is literally something given out of the kindness of one's heart and with no expectation of anything in return. As it turns out, consumers who spend money do have the right to criticize businesses for decisions such as these.
Why? Why should my expectations be that Nintendo is the only company allowed to overprice ports?
Why do you keep posting in this thread when you've made your point several times? You are coming across as stubborn and whiny at this point.
It's priced at $10 more than the WiiU version and includes DLC that costs ~$20 on the WiiU plus the battle modes. "Nintendo tax"