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[brandonh83]

Man does Rebels get better? I'm just past the Empire Day episode in season one and Ezra is a straight up shit protagonist so far, and the story and everything just seems kinda there. Action feels really lazy too. It lacks energy and dynamic cinematography.

Though if it improves I'll keep going.

 

[aBarreras]

Man does Rebels get better? I'm just past the Empire Day episode in season one and Ezra is a straight up shit protagonist so far, and the story and everything just seems kinda there. Action feels really lazy too. It lacks energy and dynamic cinematography.

Though if it improves I'll keep going.

it really does

 

[brandonh83]

it really does

Clone Wars was kinda the same way and I ended up mostly liking that more as it went so I'll stick with it for now. And it won't take long to burn through the seasons.

 

[Killer Queen]

I just started rebels too, I'm only on episode 8 or 9 so far but I'm enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would. It's not great, it's kind of okay, but so far it hasn't hit the lows of The Clone Wars.

 

[Veelk]

Yup.

"Do we want to have perfect continuity or have everyone snickering at the scar on his nose?"

"....is that even a fucking question?"

Personally, I don't mind the change that much, but honestly, I'd actually be down for that. Mainly because scar over eye is so cliche even other cliches groan at it's usage. Having an unusual place...well, it'd be unique. Especially since Kylo Ren is supposed to be a subversion of stereotypically cool evil signifiers.

Besides, I find it hard to believe it was that silly. Like, it's probably not as intimidating as scar over eye, sure, but I doubt I'd be laughing over it.And if they tried and pulled off making it seem intimidating somehow, I'd probably respect that since they're taking an unconventional path.

But...yeah, it's a scar. Who really cares?

 

[Lifejumper]

Man does Rebels get better? I'm just past the Empire Day episode in season one and Ezra is a straight up shit protagonist so far, and the story and everything just seems kinda there. Action feels really lazy too. It lacks energy and dynamic cinematography.

Though if it improves I'll keep going.

Stick with it. Its a decent show, season 3 was the best one yet.

 

[Rastafarian42]

Man does Rebels get better? I'm just past the Empire Day episode in season one and Ezra is a straight up shit protagonist so far, and the story and everything just seems kinda there. Action feels really lazy too. It lacks energy and dynamic cinematography.

Though if it improves I'll keep going.

Show hits its stride in the second season tbh very similarly to Clone Wars, season 3 I thought was very good as well as a whole.

 

[RedSwirl]

So what's the discussion on Luke's line in the trailer? Has that already played itself out?

Honestly I'm kind of afraid of what they might do with it. In an interview Hamill said he had some fundamental disagreements with what TLJ is going to do with Luke.

Personally, I don't agree with the comments I've heard on light/dark side balance and crap. I know people don't like going along with Lucas's intentions anymore, but the light side of the Force pretty much IS supposed to be the balance. ROTS presented some interesting contrasts between the Jedi and Sith, but the flaws of the Jedi were really just about the organization, not the light side of the Force itself. Get that grey Jedi bullshit outta here.

The biggest questions obviously have to do with what happened when Luke tried to restore the Jedi. He has no image of what the original order was like, only what Yoda and Obi-Wan taught him. It makes perfect since for him to realize that the new Jedi can't be the old Jedi, but I find it hard for him to believe the whole organization itself must go. Maybe the revelation is that the light side of the Force needs to be reinterpreted and represented by something else. Even the Knights of Ren don't consider themselves Sith. They're just a new force that has reinterpreted the dark side in their own way.

Oh, and I still really hope Rey and Snoke don't have any connections to OT characters.

 

[Randdalf]

I think there's a decent chance that we'll get some force Ghosts in the film.
Anakin was pretty close to being a force Ghost in TFA for both Rey and Kylo.

I'm hoping we get a Yoda force ghost in TLJ. Full puppet and everything.

 

[Khansolo1]

I feel like when they show the flash back to the Jedi Temple being destroyed they might CGI a younger Mark Hamill. Kinda like young rdj in civil war, or Michael Douglas in Ant-man

 

[Killer Queen]

So what's the discussion on Luke's line in the trailer? Has that already played itself out?

Honestly I'm kind of afraid of what they might do with it. In an interview Hamill said he had some fundamental disagreements with what TLJ is going to do with Luke.

Personally, I don't agree with the comments I've heard on light/dark side balance and crap. I know people don't like going along with Lucas's intentions anymore, but the light side of the Force pretty much IS supposed to be the balance. ROTS presented some interesting contrasts between the Jedi and Sith, but the flaws of the Jedi were really just about the organization, not the light side of the Force itself. Get that grey Jedi bullshit outta here.

The biggest questions obviously have to do with what happened when Luke tried to restore the Jedi. He has no image of what the original order was like, only what Yoda and Obi-Wan taught him. It makes perfect since for him to realize that the new Jedi can't be the old Jedi, but I find it hard for him to believe the whole organization itself must go. Maybe the revelation is that the light side of the Force needs to be reinterpreted and represented by something else. Even the Knights of Ren don't consider themselves Sith. They're just a new force that has reinterpreted the dark side in their own way.

Oh, and I still really hope Rey and Snoke don't have any connections to OT characters.

We already know some of that.
-Luke has learned a lot from the Jedi outside of Yoda and Obi Wan, he's actually at the first Jedi Temple in TLJ
-Kylo Ren destroyed Luke's new order and killed everyone there by Snokes command
-There are no sith, because the Sith ended Vader, unless Snoke is a Sith. It's debatable whether or not the Knights of Ren are force users at all
-Snoke and Leia have seemingly met.

I feel like when they show the flash back to the Jedi Temple being destroyed they might CGI a younger Mark Hamill. Kinda like young rdj in civil war, or Michael Douglas in Ant-man

It wasnt that long ago, less than 10 years prior to TFA

 

[JonnyDBrit]

So what's the discussion on Luke's line in the trailer? Has that already played itself out?

Honestly I'm kind of afraid of what they might do with it. In an interview Hamill said he had some fundamental disagreements with what TLJ is going to do with Luke.

Personally, I don't agree with the comments I've heard on light/dark side balance and crap. I know people don't like going along with Lucas's intentions anymore, but the light side of the Force pretty much IS supposed to be the balance. ROTS presented some interesting contrasts between the Jedi and Sith, but the flaws of the Jedi were really just about the organization, not the light side of the Force itself. Get that grey Jedi bullshit outta here.

The biggest questions obviously have to do with what happened when Luke tried to restore the Jedi. He has no image of what the original order was like, only what Yoda and Obi-Wan taught him. It makes perfect since for him to realize that the new Jedi can't be the old Jedi, but I find it hard for him to believe the whole organization itself must go. Maybe the revelation is that the light side of the Force needs to be reinterpreted and represented by something else. Even the Knights of Ren don't consider themselves Sith. They're just a new force that has reinterpreted the dark side in their own way.

Oh, and I still really hope Rey and Snoke don't have any connections to OT characters.

Most of the discussion has played itself out, yeah, and has mostly come to the conclusion of... we'll have to find out what they mean when the film comes out. Because a lot of the discussion involves the uncertainty and ambiguity of various concepts - balance, the light side, dark side - and the uncertainty of what Luke means by the line and whether or not he is supposed to be correct in saying it. It's all lacking in context to say anything with any real certainty.

 

[TK-421]

So what's the discussion on Luke's line in the trailer? Has that already played itself out?

It means one of the following:

1) Luke has decided there's a new concept to being a force user that combines light and dark sides into a grey area.

2) Luke believes the Jedi are the cause of misery in his life and wants to end the order. Rey changes his mind and they start training.

3) Luke has gone full heel and will become a sith lord, leaving Rey to turn Kylo Ren back and they take Luke on in Ep 9.

 

[Killer Queen]

It means one of the following:

1) Luke has decided there's a new concept to being a force user that combines light and dark sides into a grey area.

2) Luke believes the Jedi are the cause of misery in his life and wants to end the order. Rey changes his mind and they start training.

3) Luke has gone full heel and will become a sith lord, leaving Rey to turn Kylo Ren back and they take Luke on in Ep 9.

3 is definitely off the table.

 

[Randdalf]

I feel like when they show the flash back to the Jedi Temple being destroyed they might CGI a younger Mark Hamill. Kinda like young rdj in civil war, or Michael Douglas in Ant-man

Just get JGL on the phone, and a crack team of make up artists.

 

[jett]

Alternatively, Vader is an older, weaker man in ANH who maybe can't sustain that level of continuous action anymore. See how relatively quickly he's overwhelmed by Luke in ROTJ.

There's two weeks of difference between Rogue One and ANH.

 

[The Librarian]

Shields block fast things but permit slow things

Ships travel fast

Both Hoth and Bespin are in the Anoat system, so they were able to travel there at sunlight speed, but it probably took weeks/months

1. This isn't stated anywhere except in TFA in reference to planetary shields. Also, do shields work like in Trek, where 100% means absorbing as much damage as possible, and absorbing less as shields lose energy?

2. Not good enough!

3. Hoth and Bespin are not in the same system. There's an Anoat sector, of which Anoat is in that. They're both in the same sector (though I'm pretty sure this isn't stated directly in the film). Given distance between stars, it would've taken the Falcon years at sub-light speeds to reach Bespin from Hoth, at least.

 

[Killer Queen]

1. This isn't stated anywhere except in TFA in reference to planetary shields. Also, do shields work like in Trek, where 100% means absorbing as much damage as possible, and absorbing less as shields lose energy?

It's shown in the clone wars episode with Saw Gerrera

 

[JB1981]

1. This isn't stated anywhere except in TFA in reference to planetary shields. Also, do shields work like in Trek, where 100% means absorbing as much damage as possible, and absorbing less as shields lose energy?

2. Not good enough!

3. Hoth and Bespin are not in the same system. There's an Anoat sector, of which Anoat is in that. They're both in the same sector (though I'm pretty sure this isn't stated directly in the film). Given distance between stars, it would've taken the Falcon years at sub-light speeds to reach Bespin from Hoth, at least.

This is Star Wars, not Star Trek. No one cares.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

It's shown in the clone wars episode with Saw Gerrera

Also implied in TPM where fast moving projectiles - blasters, cannon shots - bounce off the gungan shields, but the droid army can literally march through.

 

[Secret Fawful]

The Yoda/Palpatine fight should have started with Yoda doing this

Fun trivia: Rian Johnson said on Twitter this shot is all in-camera, and is basically just footage of falling rocks played backwards using a Phantom high-speed camera.

We still staying practical.

 

[Bentendo]

Fun trivia: Rian Johnson said on Twitter this shot is all in-camera, and is basically just footage of falling rocks played backwards using a Phantom high-speed camera.

We still staying practical.

That is so fantastic!

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Fun trivia: Rian Johnson said on Twitter this shot is all in-camera, and is basically just footage of falling rocks played backwards using a Phantom high-speed camera.

We still staying practical.

That is fucking clever.

 

[Killer Queen]

Rian da gawd
Seriously though, Episode 8 is going to be the amazing and possibly even the best star wars film.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

There's two weeks of difference between Rogue One and ANH.

You mean two minutes of difference right?

And I'm pretty sure that was his point. ANH starts right after Vader spent all his robot stamina on those Rebels and he hasn't had the time to rest between the two films seeing as how one starts right the other.

 

[Einchy]

I hate those fake ass CGI rocks.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Fun trivia: Rian Johnson said on Twitter this shot is all in-camera, and is basically just footage of falling rocks played backwards using a Phantom high-speed camera.

We still staying practical.

Reversed gif:

 

[jett]

You mean two minutes of difference right?

And I'm pretty sure that was his point. ANH starts right after Vader spent all his robot stamina on those Rebels and he hasn't had the time to rest between the two films seeing as how one starts right the other.

I guess that makes some sense.

 

[sphagnum]

1. This isn't stated anywhere except in TFA in reference to planetary shields. Also, do shields work like in Trek, where 100% means absorbing as much damage as possible, and absorbing less as shields lose energy?

2. Not good enough!

3. Hoth and Bespin are not in the same system. There's an Anoat sector, of which Anoat is in that. They're both in the same sector (though I'm pretty sure this isn't stated directly in the film). Given distance between stars, it would've taken the Falcon years at sub-light speeds to reach Bespin from Hoth, at least.

1. No idea

2. There was some talk in the Tarkin book about hyperspace lane buoys and my eyes just glazed over it. The tech stuff in SW is the worst part of it because it's just unnecessary.

3. Meant sector but yeah, it would've taken a while. Except it's Star Wars and nobody cares too much.

Really, science stuff just doesn't matter. Like how the official explanation for how they see Hosnian Prime explode from Takodana is "hyperspace stuff". As long as it's visually understandable within 3 seconds of looking at a thing, it works in the SW universe.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

I didn't even think about it that way. Luke tried to make an order and it gave birth to Kylo. He is jaded and wants to end it. Rey will drag him back and redeem him.

 

[Oozer3993]

I must confess I think the concept in some ways has decent merit, mostly in the moment he brings it up fighting Mace oddly. In a better scripted and choreographed fight, it could be played off as a moment of desperation, and a sign that despite thinking of himself as some grand schemer, at some level he is the same sort of brutal thug that he employs in the likes of Darth Maul and Darth Vader.

As it is, it only serves as something of a small visual divide between his 'youth' and his latter days as Emperor - and even that's screwed up by the fact he's still physically capable enough to use it in his fight with Yoda, where having him rely much more on minions and force powers would have shown his newfound frailty.

The Palpatine vs. Mace & Friends fight got overhauled in editing, which contributes to it not quite coming together. Originally, Anakin was present for most of the fight, just standing around. On the page, it was supposed to show him debating which side to support, but on screen it just made him look dumb. Especially after Palpatine Force grabbed his lightsaber to use against the other Jedi. So the scene was edited to have Anakin come in at the end. It wasn't perfect though. There are still a couple shots of Palpatine wielding Anakin's lightsaber in the movie.

 

[The Librarian]

It's shown in the clone wars episode with Saw Gerrera

...right. For those droids. Not ships.

This is Star Wars, not Star Trek. No one cares.

Ah, yes. Phooey me for wanting information that I feel enriches the universe for me.

 

[Killer Queen]

I think Kylo killing Han was the point where he was passed redemption. The whole Lukes order creating Kylo was a theory I was running with too up until today. The books kind of put the lid on that.

...right. For those droids. Not ships.

Hey man, shields are shields.

 

[Einchy]

...right. For those droids. Not ships.

Ah, yes. Phooey me for wanting information that I feel enriches the universe for me.

That's the kind of stuff you see written in some artbook rather than being talked about in the actual movies.

[edit]

Actually, in Rogue One one of the mon calamari says this line "Deflector shield's down to 50%". That's probably the most you'll get in a Star Wars movie.

 

[Jumeira]

Kylo is such a Anakin fanboy, he's even got his scar! Cut down Jedi's by turning on them, even wanted his Saber, not because of the good he done, but due to the slaughtering tied to it.

 

[Kyoufu]

Kylo is such a Anakin fanboy, he's even got his scar! Cut down Jedi's by turning on them, even wanted his Saber, not because of the good he done, but due to the slaughtering tied to it.

Does he know that Anakin wasn't always corrupted by the darkside?

 

[JonnyDBrit]

The Palpatine vs. Mace & Friends fight got overhauled in editing, which contributes to it not quite coming together. Originally, Anakin was present for most of the fight, just standing around. On the page, it was supposed to show him debating which side to support, but on screen it just made him look dumb. Especially after Palpatine Force grabbed his lightsaber to use against the other Jedi. So the scene was edited to have Anakin come in at the end. It wasn't perfect though. There are still a couple shots of Palpatine wielding Anakin's lightsaber in the movie.

...oh my fucking god I never knew this. That's kinda amazing and explains a lot about that fight.

 

[aBarreras]

I hate those fake ass CGI rocks.

what?

 

[brandonh83]

Fun trivia: Rian Johnson said on Twitter this shot is all in-camera, and is basically just footage of falling rocks played backwards using a Phantom high-speed camera.

We still staying practical.

This is gonna be the best

 

[Killer Queen]

Does he know that Anakin wasn't always corrupted by the darkside?

I think he was told, but he ignores it.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Fun trivia: Rian Johnson said on Twitter this shot is all in-camera, and is basically just footage of falling rocks played backwards using a Phantom high-speed camera.

We still staying practical.

That's pretty great. Looked flawless in the trailer/.gif, but I just assumed it was great CG/compositing.

what?

Jokes.

 

[CreepingFear]

When do you think we'll get trailer #2?

 

[Toa TAK]

When do you think we'll get trailer #2?

I want that trailer music first


With no voices or special effects... YouTube!

 

[sphagnum]

Does he know that Anakin wasn't always corrupted by the darkside?

Yes, but Kylo hates Anakin. He likes Vader, who he sees as a strong, selfless Imperial hero, while Anakin is a sentimental idiot who ruined everything.

 

[Monocle]

Man does Rebels get better? I'm just past the Empire Day episode in season one and Ezra is a straight up shit protagonist so far, and the story and everything just seems kinda there. Action feels really lazy too. It lacks energy and dynamic cinematography.

Though if it improves I'll keep going.

Yeah it definitely improves a lot, and the end of Season 2 is spectacular.

 

[CreepingFear]

One of Lucas's concepts for ROTJ, were that Yoda and Obi Wan would come back in physical form to help fight Vader and the Emperor. It's not going to happen, but I'd love for Anakin to give his grandson a force beat down.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

One of Lucas's concepts for ROTJ, were that Yoda and Obi Wan would come back in physical form to help fight Vader and the Emperor. It's not going to happen, but I'd love for Anakin to give his grandson a force beat down.

One moment I sorta want is for Kylo to finally see his grandfather. At first, he's estatic. Yes, he thinks, he can have the counsel of Darth Vader himself...!

But no, it's Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight. Who shakes his head once, and disappears.

Kylo goes apeshit.

 

[Kyoufu]

One of Lucas's concepts for ROTJ, were that Yoda and Obi Wan would come back in physical form to help fight Vader and the Emperor. It's not going to happen, but I'd love for Anakin to give his grandson a force beat down.

I'd love that, but I think we'd be lucky to get force ghost Anakin let alone an actual real living form of him. Not sure how they'd even explain that one.

 

[CreepingFear]

One moment I sorta want is for Kylo to finally see his grandfather. At first, he's estatic. Yes, he thinks, he can have the counsel of Darth Vader himself...!

But no, it's Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight. Who shakes his head once, and disappears.

Kylo goes apeshit.

Ha ha. "You are a disappointment."

 

[hobozero]

I am down for literally anything plot-wise, as long as we get one thing from Luke. Could we PLEASE get some acknowledgement for Owen and Beru? Luke eventually resists the dark side, violence, revenge, etc. Know how he was able to do that? Character. And you don't get that from a week with an old man or a few months with Kermit in a swamp.

Gimmie a scene where Rey asks him how to resist falling to the Dark Side:

Luke: I had special training. Special trainers.
Rey: Who? Warriors? Jedi Masters?
Luke. ... farmers.