-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Square Enix lists upcoming games, doesn't list Kingdom Hearts 3 as 2017
- Thread starter Nirolak
- Start date
EVA UNIT 01
Member
So what?
No one here better have thought otherwise lol
No one here better have thought otherwise lol
DangerMouse
Member
Yup.
I mean, the game would have been announced "too early" if it had released late 2015. That's two and a half years after announcement. If the game doesn't come out in 2017, that's 4 and a half years after announcement. And honestly, it's 50/50 if the game is coming in 2018. They JUST missed the winter announcement. They are having troubles
Going off of what's currently happening, if the game had been announced THIS YEAR, it still would be considered "too early" for a ton of people.
The amount of time it takes for them to make the game doesn't have much to do with having troubles though. of course we know they did early on with the engine which set them back almost a year, but they are on track now.
All indications are for a big blowout for the 15th anniversary IMO
If they were on track, they wouldn't have missed their winter announcement.
Not only did they miss it, but they gave no explanation for why they missed it.
KZXcellent
Member
To be fair, the announcement was based on Kingdom Hearts 2.8 being released on time. Final Fantasy XV's delay caused 2.8 to be delayed and in turn you could say it also delayed the announcement. Nomura's gone on record saying he wanted people to get through 2.8 before he brought in some KH3 news. My take is because it got pushed back they decided to just give the next big infodrop for KH3 at E3.
They haven't given an explanation as to why they missed the winter announcement. They could have easily said "hey sorry we missed it, everything's fine expect a big surprise at e3".
Instead there's silence. Not too reassuring
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
First it was ffxv delay, than it was I wanna give 0.2 the spotlight, than it was focus on the collection. If no blowout at e3 idk what anybody could possibly say. The winter announcement should now be a legit substantial 10 page spread cover article by than
KZXcellent
Member
You're right they could have given us an update on why the missed it. I'm personally not too worried yet.
If we get through E3 with no new Kingdom Hearts 3 trailer and no hint on when it will be appearing next then I will absolutely agree with you that they are not on track and that development is not going smoothly.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Nomura's probably going to be booted off either KHIII or FFVIIR. Why put him in charge of two projects when he couldn't get his last major one done?
KZXcellent
Member
Yeah but it also says "and beyond" and lists the Marvel IP which isn't going to be announced until next year. It leaves some reasonable doubt.
I'm not sure what booting Nomura from a project he's not involved with on a daily basis would accomplish. Maybe you can fill the blanks for me on that one.
As for FFVII Remake, I'm not sure what booting Nomura from that would accomplish either? I'm honestly confused here. The game is obviously going to take time to develop and they obviously announced it not long after it was greenlit.
The issue with KH3 and FFVIIR is that they were announced far too early.
MikeE21286
Member
I was more hoping FFVII would than KH III
There was no 'winter announcement'. Nomura just said he would be able to give some info after 2.8 and WOFF launched.
Whether they are saving that for E3 or another event this year to celebrate 15th anniversary is unknown
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Blind loyalty. He needs somebody in charge of him leading the projects so they don't have to be rebooted.
You've been in this thread all day making up stuff to suit your own argument, when are you going to actually give any evidence?
I know you can't, but in that case there's no point in being in here
KZXcellent
Member
There has been one title that's been rebooted. You can't even fully put the blame on him necessarily since there isn't nearly enough information about it. If the problem with the last game was him then they wouldn't give him more positions. Clearly things aren't as bad as they look to the random enthusiast if they still have this confidence in the man to make him Director of two major AAA games at once.
I would argue 5 year+ dev times are the proof but, well if Yasue/Osaka team and CC2 are doing the heavy lifting, what is even Nomura's purpose at this point?
Exactly. To SIT and likely introduce new random critiques and challenges to the team that push the dev time further and further into Jetsons territory.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Haha I think you're on to something.
He is the director of for FF7R by CC2 and the game was announced less than 2 years ago. What are you really expecting outside of arguably more status updates?
As for 5+ year dev times, KH3 was announced 3 and a half years ago, not "5+". It will be 4 at E3, and there were setbacks in their development schedule because they had to redo the game with a completely new engine which put them almost a year behind schedule, maybe more than that.
Again, Osaka team is day to day managed by Tai Yasue, CC2 is being managed by Nomura. He keeps tabs on Osaka team's progress but they generally do their own thing.
KZXcellent
Member
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Actually getting those games done. And Nomura has no reason to direct FFVII R either considering he was only the character designer in the original.
madstarr12
Member
Lol, he's too busy with Final Fantasy VII.....Probably. lol, will be a PS5 game. 
AlexFlame116
Member
It would be hilarious if this was the true reason.
Disney releases a big hitter, KH3 goes back to the drawing board to see if a potential world could exist from the new movie.
A Moana world would give me huge Wind Waker vibes if done correctly.
The Last One
Member
No, this is FY2018.
No it doesn't. FY2017 is from April 2016 to March 2017.
DPtheGod
Member
Ah damn
Maybe we will see a lengthy trailer at E3.Probably not.
Edit:
I had a feeling it was the other way around!
KZXcellent
Member
Yikes, my bad. Corrected my post.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
So a reboot?
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a reason, heh.
I mean, let's think about it. If KH3 is going to contain a Star Wars world, presumably with the new trilogy characters and story, then they would have had to wait until 2015 or so when The Force Awakens content/characters would have been finalised for the movie itself before beginning to implement them in the game. Now maybe add in a Marvel world or two from recent box office hits and bam, more development time.
(this probably isn't the reason)
Samanosuke Akechi
Member
KZXcellent
Member
How does that make it a reboot? Luminous was not working for KH3 so they switched to Unreal 4. It's still the same game with the same story and everything. All this means is they were set back a year at most. You're reaching.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Roster to small at the moment.
"I might sound a little condescending here, but he seemed like a very dedicated artist back during Final Fantasy 7. I dont know what about 7 itself, or perhaps it was actually Final Fantasy 8 that changed the tide, but he seemed to become a very different person at that point, where the authority that he gained from Final Fantasy 7 and Final Fantasy 8 got to a point where he became sort of untouchable in a similar vein as Sakaguchi-san. You couldnt really fight against him."
Maybe him being untouchable slows everything to a crawl, even if they won't fire him or try to force him to work faster.
That quote does line up real fucking well with Osaka telling him Flowmotion was a bad idea and him shoving it in anyway
Maybe him being untouchable slows everything to a crawl, even if they won't fire him or try to force him to work faster.
That quote does line up real fucking well with Osaka telling him Flowmotion was a bad idea and him shoving it in anyway
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Well...yeah. And while I don't care about FO4, kudos to Bethesda for knowing how to make it work for them. Go somewhere for awhile, be quiet, keep your head down, then come back with something that we're gonna see SOON. Sales won't be affected, and if anything everyone will be blowing the roof off as far as anticipation goes because they know it's not a long wait. Hold your announcement until you're within 6-18 months of release. IE, if you show a game June 2017 the latest it should release is June 2018...or Q1 2019 if it gets pushed for some reason.
Nah. Showing a game when you just got it greenlit and have a trailer of some seconds of footage that might not even be in the game? Not necessary. I'm not sure why fans need that much information. Where's it end? Show them concept art while something's still in pre production?
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Thanks for sharing that. That quote was enlightening, its all starting to make sense.
Alter_Fridge
Member
looooooooooooooool
7RE ok fine, we'll see how it turns out although I doubt it releases before my firstborn child. I'm not too thrilled about it specifically.
KH3 isn't releasing this year. So it WILL in fact be 5 years+ before we see it, likely in anything near finished state. Ultimately its excuse after excuse with Nomura and regardless of what happens in the dev house we should know way more about this game than we do, point blank. Bet if we asked Yasue off the record, he'd tell us the truth. We should have full gameplay sections by now! Instead we'll maybe get a piecemeal trailer at E3/D23 and a 2018 logo that means nothing. All because no one wants to tell Nomura its okay to just design action figure parts.
edit: apparently Birth by Sleep took 5 years as well! So what startling new engine pushed development back on that one?
--- The Nomura Engine.
AlexFlame116
Member
I mean if that was the reason I would be totally okay with that and would be extremely patient in waiting! I just really want a Star Wars world in any shape or form. Even just a secret boss battle with Darth Vader or Kylo Ren would be awesome.
Honestly if they do actually make a Star Wars world, they got to hit it big. Marvel too. Though I'd prefer a Star Wars world.
I remember reading a post on GAF before The Force Awakens had been revealed explaining, in my opinion, a really awesome way of making the world work:
So you know how in Kingdom Hearts II, Sora the Explorer visits most if not all of the world's twice? First to finish an arc and then returns for another arc and to seal the keyhole.
Using that as the main focus, Sora could visit Star Wars world during the time of the Prequel Trilogy (mostly during the Clone Wars), meet up with Anakin Skywalker and become great friends with him and Obi-Wan! He also helps them out with whatever Heartless and Separatists are around.
Then when Sora returns to the world after some story progression, the Original Trilogy would take over and Sora would find himself battling not only a new group called the Galactic Empire, but also tragicly find out that his friend Anakin has become an evil monster named Darth Vader. So now Sora and his new partner Luke Skywalker go out to not only kick the Empire's butt, but to also save Anakin.