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"All Trump Voters Are Nazi Scum" (But Seriously Though...)

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Valhelm

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You know what keeps getting lost in these types of conversations? Even if I accept the premise of voting for Trump bc the GOP is that much better than the Democrats (I dont) the GOP still had like 17 candidates to choose from but picked Trump anyway

Yeah because GOP establishment types are dipshits and couldn't unify against Trump. Only 45% of primary voters wanted Trump, versus 52% for Romney.

Our arcane and contra-democratic electoral system got Trump elected in both the primary and the general, despite a majority of the electorate expressly voting against him in both rounds.
 
I mean if it were nearly any other republiccan candidate I could see myself agreeing. But Trumps platform was very very specific.

He didn't say "listen I don't support open borders. There are great Mexican people that should be able to find a better life here but we need to make sure we are vetting incoming immigrants properly yadda yadda"

He just said they all scumbags. Then tried to clean it up later and act like we're just out to get him for taking him literally.

So I can't act shocked people say he racist. He says foul shit. Had no problem appealing to bigots. I mean you can't even condemn a dude from the KKK....Cmon.
 

HardRojo

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So "fuck you, I got mine "

Smh
Pretty much. A relative of mine entered the US illegally several years ago. Got citizenship after marrying a citizen, has lived for about 30 years there now and was proudly posting on fb last year about Trump and their support for his campaign. The "fuck you, got mine" mindset is very real.
 
Yeah because GOP establishment types are dipshits and couldn't unify against Trump. Only 45% of primary voters wanted Trump, versus 52% for Romney.

Our arcane and contra-democratic electoral system got Trump elected in both the primary and the general, despite a majority of the electorate expressly voting against him in both rounds.

GOP also knew they were screwed at 2016 without Trump so they forced Trump to sign a contract that prevents him from running third party if he lost the primaries. They knew that most of the base they swindled would either vote for him or cost them the GE if he ran third party. Of course he won and now the con man leads the con party.
 
Most Trump voters are racists or Nazi scum. The rest are just scum because they were willing throw whoever they could under the bus to get something that was just a lie so they turned a blind eye to the racism, hate and general ignorance of a man who could give two shits about the very people voting for him.
 

Micael

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Of course there were racists, etc. voting for Hillary. Americans come up in a fucked up culture; xenophobia, bigotry, sexism is all part of the environment we're raised in. No matter how progressive we (think we) are, usually some of that lingers, maybe at the fore, maybe in the background, but it's rampant in gentrification, in the way we handle schools and medical care, in foreign relations, etc., etc., etc.

And I'm not saying that the link between each of Trump's platform points and some major problem was apparent to most - it's not. Lower taxes?! That sounds great! I want to pay less in taxes. Don't we all? Except if you dig any further than "yay, more money in my paycheck," and actually look at how taxes and the government operate, lower taxes results in fewer public services, and who gets harmed there? (In this case, many of the people who voted for Trump themselves, even.)

Here's a list of major platform points. Some we can write off as obviously racist or xenophobic, like the wall, like banning Muslims, like taking oil. Repealing Obamacare rather than trying to fix (or even expand) is deeply, obviously troubling; people finally began to realize that, too, so we can probably ignore that one. The trade partnerships and tariff points are where it starts to get tricky. Manufacturing jobs, too. But all of that is grounded in the baseless assumption that America is better just because and we deserve things just because. That's palatable without voters having to think deeply about it because of xenophobia, when in reality, imposing some of the proposed tariffs on, say, Mexican imports? Would drive food costs through the roof, not to mention impact many other things.

Possibly the only one of these that is free of underlying links to the problems we're talking about is leaving Social Security alone, but the GOP won't care and it was just a gambit anyway. Oh, sure, you could also argue that about bringing manufacturing jobs back, but there's really no way to do that without actually causing hurt - either through lowering wages or raising prices. I mean, it could be done if execs would take pay cuts, but this is America, breh - we have a god-given right to fuck everyone else over to make that extra million.

Oh its definitely everyone, even outside america, I mean in this thread I assumed you were a men, that's is pretty much a fruit of a culture that in some ways seems men as being more than the women, and while it isn't exactly on the side of the spectrum of "lets burn the witch because she looked at me" it is still misogynistic/sexist, there is no escaping it.
In the case of people that voted for Hillary that were those things I was talking about them being on the rougher side of those spectrums, not the ones sitting on the "nicer" side of it.

IMO It's in those campaign points that you brought up, that require deeper analyzes to understand how they impact minorities, the poor and so on that you get people that aren't particularly misogynistic, racist, homophobic, but just simply have different priorities, and as a result end up voting for a candidate like Trump, and that vote doesn't come from an hatred of the other, it comes from ignorance on the subject.

Which I believe cannot be fought by ignoring them, or by villainizing them, something that seems to be happening more and more to people that vote differently, or see the world different, and if one believes that a better world can be achieved by voting differently should one not strife to try and educate those people when given the opportunity, it ofc doesn't mean that one will be able to "convert" them on the subject, but the long term impact of presenting a competing/different view point should really not be understated.

Also not to be the douchebag that drops links to TED talks, but https://www.ted.com/talks/megan_phe...the_westboro_baptist_church_here_s_why_i_left I find stuff like this to be particularly relevant.

Now don't take this the wrong way, really not saying there isn't a really great amount of people that voted for trump for all those bad reasons, or that they aren't ok with it, it's only logical that in a candidate like Trump you will end up with voters that believe in his hate rhetoric to an unsettling degree, but to assume they are all like that (or even most of them) in a group that encompasses close to 62 million people in a country of 321 million, and by extension not even bother to argue with them or straight up vilify them, is IMO a dangerous frame of mind that can only lead to worse things.

Also it should be noted that Trump approval ratings are pretty low in comparison to past presidents, while one can assume that the reason why this happens is because of all the people that didn't vote but oppose trump, it would probably be more realistic to assume that there are in fact a many great deal of people that don't support trump for reasons they might have overlooked, because trump sure as hell hasn't become any less of an incompetent asshole.
 

Gutek

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I hate this. Trump voters went out of their way to hurt people. The people that don't care are the people that didn't go out to vote.
 

BajiBoxer

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Also an issue, if we had mobile voting platforms or even some sort of voting from your smart phone it would be simply the best. But poor people are forced out when it comes to voting as they have less ability to get to the polling places on time.
Even paper mail in voting seems to work wonders. Oregon does mail in exclusively I think, and gets percentages in the high 70s.
 

I mean this is absolutely true, but it's not unique to Trump supporters. Human beings in general tend to be inherently self centered, and I think it's pretty clear that most people put themselves and their families interests above that of groups they've hardly if ever interacted with. I mean it's easy to say they don't give a shit about blacks and hispanics and this is wrong and I'd generally agree. But at the same time it's become increasingly obvious to me that most liberals here don't give a shit about the problems poor rural whites face either (and I'm not saying they're equivalent or any shit like that, just that these people have a lot of challenges facing them as well which are ignored by the other side)
 

Slayven

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I mean this is absolutely true, but it's not unique to Trump supporters. Human beings in general tend to be inherently self centered, and I think it's pretty clear that most people put themselves and their families interests above that of groups they've hardly if ever interacted with. I mean it's easy to say they don't give a shit about blacks and hispanics and this is wrong and I'd generally agree. But at the same time it's become increasingly obvious to me that most liberals here don't give a shit about the problems poor rural whites face either (and I'm not saying they're equivalent or any shit like that, just that these people have a lot of challenges facing them as well which are ignored by the other side)
And the GOP does?
 
The views in this thread remind me of the days when pushy atheists ruled the internet. You all sound just as fun around the dinner table.

These nazi family members no doubt love you and keep inviting you to the table just so they have the honor of being demeaned by someone so intellectually and morally superior. Maybe worry about those bonds for once.
 

pigeon

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The views in this thread remind me of the days when pushy atheists ruled the internet. You all sound just as fun around the dinner table.

These nazi family members no doubt love you and keep inviting you to the table just so they have the honor of being demeaned by someone so intellectually and morally superior. Maybe worry about those bonds for once.

Man, what am I gonna do if my Nazi family members don't want to hang out any more?
 

Slayven

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No but it pretends to and perception is the important thing in this arguement

Not to mention my point is that it's hypocritical to call people evil for not caring about your problems when you clearly don't give a shit about theirs either
I give a shit about healthcare, clean water, school standatds,safety nets, and work protections.

You know who doesn't? Take a good look at what they did pass in the last 100 days. Big wins for poor white people, tremendous ones. Those trans work protections were stopping coal country from coming back. And those hibernating bears were going to end poor white peoole.
 

Siegcram

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No but it pretends to and perception is the important thing in this arguement

Not to mention my point is that it's hypocritical to call people evil for not caring about your problems when you clearly don't give a shit about theirs either
I'm pretty sure this perceived hypocrisy applies to next to no one itt. Making it kinda moot.
 

Nepenthe

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The views in this thread remind me of the days when pushy atheists ruled the internet. You all sound just as fun around the dinner table.

These nazi family members no doubt love you and keep inviting you to the table just so they have the honor of being demeaned by someone so intellectually and morally superior. Maybe worry about those bonds for once.

None of my family members voted for Trump because we're black, so we all gladly sit around the dinner table with our moral superiority to keep the mounting fear of expendability to the larger American populous buried deep down in these trying times. It can be quite refreshing.
 

hawk2025

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"Like I said, I call's it like I see's it."


This is such a fucking shit argument.

You don't call it like you see it -- you "call it" based on puddle-deep analysis and evidence.

That's not a virtue, it's an awful practice.
 
I give shit about healthcare, clean water, school standatds,safety nets, and work protections.

You know who doesn't? Take a good look at what they did pass in the last 100 days. Big wins for poor white people, tremendous ones. Those trans work protections were stopping coal country from coming back. And those hibernating bears were going to end poor white peoole.
Again perception is more important as fact when it comes to how people vote. It's unfortunate but it's also reality
 
The views in this thread remind me of the days when pushy atheists ruled the internet. You all sound just as fun around the dinner table.

These nazi family members no doubt love you and keep inviting you to the table just so they have the honor of being demeaned by someone so intellectually and morally superior. Maybe worry about those bonds for once.

Uh no. If one of family members was a Nazi, (And I hope not because were all black) they would get the cold shoulder and the side eye. And hey would be lucky to only get that and not a left hook to the damn jaw.
 

Bossking

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The views in this thread remind me of the days when pushy atheists ruled the internet. You all sound just as fun around the dinner table.

These nazi family members no doubt love you and keep inviting you to the table just so they have the honor of being demeaned by someone so intellectually and morally superior. Maybe worry about those bonds for once.

If my nazi family members love me so much, maybe they can ease up on their nazi views.
 

Kenai

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So OP, like...the point is "oh they're not Nazis/racist just really fucking ignorant/stupid/deluded/ect and capable of putting up a front of decency to boot"? Congrats?
 
The views in this thread remind me of the days when pushy atheists ruled the internet. You all sound just as fun around the dinner table.

These nazi family members no doubt love you and keep inviting you to the table just so they have the honor of being demeaned by someone so intellectually and morally superior. Maybe worry about those bonds for once.

I don't have any Nazi family members. Sounds like your elders fucked up
 

Eidan

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I mean this is absolutely true, but it's not unique to Trump supporters. Human beings in general tend to be inherently self centered, and I think it's pretty clear that most people put themselves and their families interests above that of groups they've hardly if ever interacted with. I mean it's easy to say they don't give a shit about blacks and hispanics and this is wrong and I'd generally agree. But at the same time it's become increasingly obvious to me that most liberals here don't give a shit about the problems poor rural whites face either (and I'm not saying they're equivalent or any shit like that, just that these people have a lot of challenges facing them as well which are ignored by the other side)
Why do you say this? Did liberals vote for an anti-poor, rural white candidate?
 
The views in this thread remind me of the days when pushy atheists ruled the internet. You all sound just as fun around the dinner table.

These nazi family members no doubt love you and keep inviting you to the table just so they have the honor of being demeaned by someone so intellectually and morally superior. Maybe worry about those bonds for once.

I can go on living without their ignorance and/or bigotry in my life.
 

Siegcram

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And i'm confident you're wrong given the way people here talk about rural whites
I mean, if you count bringing back the coal industry and other wishful thinking, I guess so.

If we're talking about large scale issues like the death of retail and urbanization, those are in no way exclusive to "rural whites". And we "liberals" are the ones voting to fix their shit, so...
 
You're assuming everyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't care when you have no evidence

You're going to have to step it up
I never said everyone who disagrees with me doesn't care, but I've seen a lot of people constantly shit on these groups and laugh at any suggestion that thy have their own problems.
 
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You support a racist candidate then you take ownership of all their racist policies, not just the ones you like.

By this logic, every Democratic voter is morally complicit in the state-sanctioned murder of Afghan children.
 
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