I mean, yeah, they were dumb, but at least they weren't a convoluted mess as this one was. I can enjoy AvP for what it is and I can enjoy Resurrection even more for the Ripley clone alone. Give me Sigourney Weaver over anything Prometheus and Covenant has shown me (well, perhaps not for Fassbender, he's a really great actor that elevates those movies to far beyond what they deserve).
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Alien: Covenant |SPOILER THREAD| With more Christian subtext than BvS
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Rktk
Member
Ah man, out of the two universes I think Predator 2 would be the most appropriate Christmas selection.
NealMcCauley
Member
Hmm...
Hmmm.....
I liked it more than Prometheus on first watch.
First two acts were great. Third act was so so.
What was good was really good.
Hmmm.....
I liked it more than Prometheus on first watch.
First two acts were great. Third act was so so.
What was good was really good.
Brian_FETO
Banned
I had a really fun time with this movie
I will say, I thought the opening like....20 minutes on the ship were horribly dull. Once they landed on the planet though I was into it.
Really enjoyed everything with David. Cross between Frankenstein and David Bowie's character in Labyrinth. Bit of Dracula even
Turning something as horrifying as a xenomorph bursting from someone's chest into a beautiful and endearing moment is just so fun to me. Certainly not the best movie I've seen this year but I'd recommend it if you're into this sort of thing. Can't imagine anyone who hates Prometheus getting too into it
I dig that the switcheroo twist at the end was expected, but they held off on it for so long that you questioned if they were actually going to go through with it.
I will say, I thought the opening like....20 minutes on the ship were horribly dull. Once they landed on the planet though I was into it.
Really enjoyed everything with David. Cross between Frankenstein and David Bowie's character in Labyrinth. Bit of Dracula even
Turning something as horrifying as a xenomorph bursting from someone's chest into a beautiful and endearing moment is just so fun to me. Certainly not the best movie I've seen this year but I'd recommend it if you're into this sort of thing. Can't imagine anyone who hates Prometheus getting too into it
I dig that the switcheroo twist at the end was expected, but they held off on it for so long that you questioned if they were actually going to go through with it.
Better than Alien 3? I'm shocked!
JK. Covenant is not a terrible movie, just a disappointing one.
It didn't come out on Christmas day in theaters. AvP2 to me, was just getting to see a lot of the book stuff on film and largely the Predator bits. Predator holds a special place for me, so while the film is shit. It delivered in pure fanboy dribble to me in regards to Predator.
Turbo Killer
Member
No, sorry.
Spike Spiegel
Member
I didn't like it, and after thinking about it on the way home I think it boils down to the plot becoming too predictable and me not caring about what happened to any of the characters. That includes David, who honestly lost any semblance of ambiguity with me as to his motives and future actions very early on.
What a waste this was after Prometheus.
What a waste this was after Prometheus.
Rktk
Member
I'd be interested to read about that too, an issue for this film was that it felt rushed as far as why things were the way they were, there was going to be a process leading up to the Xenomorph instead we jump 10 years into the future and David is the supposed architect of everything. Perhaps it had something to do with negative reactions to Prometheus, Scott was unable to stick to the plan.
Ah I hadn't realised you went to the cinema.
moltonasty
Member
Just came back from seeing it. I'm pretty shocked by some of the negative posts in this thread TBH. Gonna just ramble a bit on my thoughts.
I enjoyed it A LOT. Some of the complaints come across as nitpicking. Stupid people doing stupid things is par the course for horror movies, and despite not being a straight up horror movie, it works well as an established movie trope. The captain literally said to David to explain what was going on OR he will shoot him. I can accept him looking into the egg despite his skepticism. Shit, the facehugger would have got him anyway whether he looked in or not lol.
Shaw's fate was pretty disappointing though, felt like a bit of a fuck you to her character and Prometheus as a whole.
The way they blended the vibe of Prometheus with the original Alien was superb IMO. Having David create the Xenos is interesting and doesn't negatively affect the rest of the series in any way. The presence of the Queen in Aliens is a bit of a contradiction though but I guess they can still explain that?
Way better than I expected, Ridley Scott did a fantastic job on expanding upon Prometheus while tying it closer to the original in a satisfying way.
I enjoyed it A LOT. Some of the complaints come across as nitpicking. Stupid people doing stupid things is par the course for horror movies, and despite not being a straight up horror movie, it works well as an established movie trope. The captain literally said to David to explain what was going on OR he will shoot him. I can accept him looking into the egg despite his skepticism. Shit, the facehugger would have got him anyway whether he looked in or not lol.
Shaw's fate was pretty disappointing though, felt like a bit of a fuck you to her character and Prometheus as a whole.
The way they blended the vibe of Prometheus with the original Alien was superb IMO. Having David create the Xenos is interesting and doesn't negatively affect the rest of the series in any way. The presence of the Queen in Aliens is a bit of a contradiction though but I guess they can still explain that?
Way better than I expected, Ridley Scott did a fantastic job on expanding upon Prometheus while tying it closer to the original in a satisfying way.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Can't wait until the next movie, where we find out that David transmutes himself into a Xeno and literally becomes the Alien Queen.
I think there's quite an easy explanation they could use. The Alien in covenant, is the first Alien. Future iterations of the xenomorphs become more biomechanical, more intelligent and self sufficient (Alien queen). At the moment their life cycle seems dependent on David making the eggs, a huge limitation, that David will fix.
Or..
The engineers are still around. That wasn't their home world in covenant (just another earth like planet they use for hosts). David during the 10 years he spent on the ship simply re-engineered some of their old alien designs.
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Deleted member 102362
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I just saw it a few hours ago. I liked it more than Prometheus, probably due to the characters. Fassbender was on fucking fire the whole movie...It'd be worth seeing more of these just for his performances.
We can't.
We can't.
He'll create one and teach her how to play the piano.
plagiarize
Banned
Pretty much my exact take on it.
The horror moments were excellent. Production design was excellent. Danny McBride can play a likeable character?!?! Fassbender was superb.
The last act tripped over itself by overplaying the obvious twist. Like I said before, they shouldn't have even tried to hide it. Just show David taking Walter's place and don't have Daniels ever realize... that would have been a lot better I think.
Wouldn't the Alien destroying the Camera indicate that already? Alongside Walter's remark where one single note that differs, will ruin the piece.
Next one is most likely another group of dimwits stumbling upon it, creatures revolt on David, and then we get Alien.
plagiarize
Banned
Right. David is a better creation than humans. Humanity took a long time to create the instrument of its undoing in David.
David's genius ensures he creates his in ten years. I'm looking forwards to that playing out. For all of his genius he should recognize that his creation will be his own undoing.
Maybe he just sees it as inevitable, but I don't get that sense. It's an interesting blind spot.
Spike Spiegel
Member
The eggs came from Dr. Shaw.
plagiarize
Banned
Evolution could triumph over design too, which would be an interesting turn for these films to take thematically. David's perfect design evolves to the point where he isn't needed.
I just can't wait for the next movie to somehow explain how the original Space Jockey (Engineer) ended up on LV-426 with a bunch of David's 'creations' (Xeno Eggs) and look more like they are transporting them rather than David placing them there. Not to mention the Space Jockey's remains have been fossilized, which makes it sounds like it crash landed way before Covenent. Let's see how Ridley writes himself out of that plothole.
manfestival
Member
Just left the theater. Couldn't help but laugh at the reaction of someone passing by saying "man these movies never have a happy ending"
plagiarize
Banned
Only in certain regards. That much was established.
So Alien kills David. Alien tries driving the ship, but isn't so great at it. Crashes into LV-426. Alien takes off from there.
CambriaRising
Member
The series already sets up that colonization teams are notorious for being idiots. (see: Aliens)
They should hand it over to Disney so they can save it like they did Star Wars.
manfestival
Member
What if the alien just wants to meet mother?
Alebrije
Member
As all Alien movies....
farmerboy
Member
Cold as ice
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Seitz really likes it.
I think it's his next Superman Returns.
I think it's his next Superman Returns.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You mean the shower scene?
Maybe. It went by pretty quick. Perfunctory, really.
Someone was in here earlier asking about boobs and cock shots like it was still 1988
Maybe. It went by pretty quick. Perfunctory, really.
Someone was in here earlier asking about boobs and cock shots like it was still 1988
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Well
"I'll do the fingering"
"I'll do the fingering"
Dammit, I just edited in shower.
I'm like 99.99% sure someone said that it wasn't in the movie, so I was surprised when it happened.
Best line in the movie. Tried my best to stifle my scoff.
Adam Sadler
Member
It was decent. I really liked the ending with David, but man I hate to say this I felt like certain aspects of Prometheus were much better like David, Meeting your creator etc etc. That shit was actually interesting to me despite not caring about the rest of the movie.
Lights and Waves
Member
This movie was also missing out on the grandeur of Prometheus. The scene in that film with the rolling space ship. That film had some epic set pieces. This one just felt like a tight-budget sequel.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I just saw in the B.O. thread that the budget was less than 100mil.
brandonh83
Banned
Jesus fucking christ this was total garbage.
The characters were ass, the story felt like a quick, empty tacked on follow up to Prometheus, there was no good action, the creatures looked oddly awful which I thought was unexpected given the pedigree, the death scenes left no impact because it was a bunch of disposable slasher movie characters with zero depth or charm, the twists were completely predictable, the finale was a smorgasbord of tension-less action staging with a hilariously out of place shower scene-- fuck me this was dog SHIT.
Prometheus with all its flaws looked better, I liked Shaw at least WAY more than anyone here, the creatures looked way better, the story was far more interesting, etc. Also had more standout moments like the abortion in the med pod. This movie didn't have a single scene that stood out or left an impact on me. No way this is better.
The characters were ass, the story felt like a quick, empty tacked on follow up to Prometheus, there was no good action, the creatures looked oddly awful which I thought was unexpected given the pedigree, the death scenes left no impact because it was a bunch of disposable slasher movie characters with zero depth or charm, the twists were completely predictable, the finale was a smorgasbord of tension-less action staging with a hilariously out of place shower scene-- fuck me this was dog SHIT.
Prometheus with all its flaws looked better, I liked Shaw at least WAY more than anyone here, the creatures looked way better, the story was far more interesting, etc. Also had more standout moments like the abortion in the med pod. This movie didn't have a single scene that stood out or left an impact on me. No way this is better.
Got back from the theater but I have to say, in spite of it all, I had a lot of fucking fun watching this thing. Seriously, it was a total blast once they landed. It's not without its enormous issues, but I need to see David get his ass kicked around. Dude had no issue referring to himself as the Devil in response to Oram's original statement, and I'm super bitter about Shaw, despite the Prometheus theme kicking in each time (once at the plaque and the other David plays on the flute). The Albinomorphs were pretty cool, and the corn field standoff was excellent. Once the dude gets infected with the black shit in his ear that's when the movie really took off for me.
There are moments where this shit got fuckin weird, though, fast. I'm not talking about the fingering, either (but that got a nice chuckle across the audience). David is a full on (robo)rapist with daddy issues, resentment and a full-on god complex (though he's only a lord of flies). The movie is straight up Paradise Lost (IN SPACE) and it makes it a little bit more interesting for it, especially since David is the guy spouting all his resentment and opinions about creation and who he thinks is worthy of it (lol who the fuck does he think he is?) Each scene between Walter and David is great and are pretty much the only parts that hold up the themes of the movie.
I'm thinking the audience got to witness Scott's personal fantasy come to life with two Michael Fassbenders kissing each other. The dude can just watch Shame (it's a better movie to boot). People laughed at that part, but there was audible disgust when he tried that stunt on Daniels.
I really loved Kruzel's motiff for the monsters in this, each time it played you knew something was about to go down relating to the antagonists and I really dug the sound of it.
My only question is why the hell is this movie called "Covenant"? Who makes a covenant with who? Where's the thematic relevance of it? Eh?
And I'm a bit disappointed in the characters, too. Daniels and Oram could've been a lot more. Daniels goes to 0 to 100 and while it's awesome to see her taking on the Xeno in each action sequence, it doesn't feel the same as to when Ripley takes on the Queen or even in the first movie. Hell, even Shaw against the Engineer had some weight, considering she was face-to-face with the people who made her species and became conflicted about them. It felt like she mourned James Franco, then once she landed she became the wounded warrior with no growth in-between.
Like I said, I had a real good time. I got to see people squirm (like my sister, that was entertaining in of itself) and it was cool to see a Xeno on screen for the first time for me (I didn't see AvP films in theaters). For what it's worth, I remember coming out of Prometheus with my friends pretty high on it as well. So we'll see how long this lasts on a re-watch. That said, I hope Ridley doesn't go do a prequel to this. Move forward and let me see David eat shit.
There are moments where this shit got fuckin weird, though, fast. I'm not talking about the fingering, either (but that got a nice chuckle across the audience). David is a full on (robo)rapist with daddy issues, resentment and a full-on god complex (though he's only a lord of flies). The movie is straight up Paradise Lost (IN SPACE) and it makes it a little bit more interesting for it, especially since David is the guy spouting all his resentment and opinions about creation and who he thinks is worthy of it (lol who the fuck does he think he is?) Each scene between Walter and David is great and are pretty much the only parts that hold up the themes of the movie.
I'm thinking the audience got to witness Scott's personal fantasy come to life with two Michael Fassbenders kissing each other. The dude can just watch Shame (it's a better movie to boot). People laughed at that part, but there was audible disgust when he tried that stunt on Daniels.
I really loved Kruzel's motiff for the monsters in this, each time it played you knew something was about to go down relating to the antagonists and I really dug the sound of it.
My only question is why the hell is this movie called "Covenant"? Who makes a covenant with who? Where's the thematic relevance of it? Eh?
And I'm a bit disappointed in the characters, too. Daniels and Oram could've been a lot more. Daniels goes to 0 to 100 and while it's awesome to see her taking on the Xeno in each action sequence, it doesn't feel the same as to when Ripley takes on the Queen or even in the first movie. Hell, even Shaw against the Engineer had some weight, considering she was face-to-face with the people who made her species and became conflicted about them. It felt like she mourned James Franco, then once she landed she became the wounded warrior with no growth in-between.
Like I said, I had a real good time. I got to see people squirm (like my sister, that was entertaining in of itself) and it was cool to see a Xeno on screen for the first time for me (I didn't see AvP films in theaters). For what it's worth, I remember coming out of Prometheus with my friends pretty high on it as well. So we'll see how long this lasts on a re-watch. That said, I hope Ridley doesn't go do a prequel to this. Move forward and let me see David eat shit.
You can see it. Some of the CGI especially with the Alien in broad daylight looked like total garbage.
I read it's 97 million.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I wouldn't go that far.
That's some pretty well-done trash if that's what we're gonna call it.
Yes.
We kinda got it in the flashback with David's genocide, but Prometheus was a bigger film in almost every way. The Big Question, the scope of it, the world of the Engineers and the black shit (which still doesn't make any sense and I doubt it ever will).
Prometheus' ending suggested that a follow up would continue this odyssey, but that's cut short in this film, which sorta wraps up everything in Prometheus sans David. Which is a major bummer.