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Kickstarter: Project Rap Rabbit (Parappa x Gitaroo Man creators)
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Herbspiceguy
Member
I like music rhythm games, but I was more into Beatmania and I love Patapon.
I thought Parappa's gameplay was rather poor, but the character designs are amazing, nearly iconic, and make Rap Rabbit look like an idiot.
Apart from that this KS/project seems a bit messy and I'm not convinced of the price/value the game offers.
I thought Parappa's gameplay was rather poor, but the character designs are amazing, nearly iconic, and make Rap Rabbit look like an idiot.
Apart from that this KS/project seems a bit messy and I'm not convinced of the price/value the game offers.
RecRoulette
Member
I stopped following kickstarters awhile ago but don't you get a majority of your funding at the beginning and at the end of the kickstarter? (And not 75% of it at the end) The terrible start makes me think that it's not happening unless something crazy happens.
capylikesgames
Banned
You're pulling my statement out of context. The person I quoted mentioned a situation where the KS kept its current rate throughout the campaign, assuming that it would fail in that scenario when it wouldn't. It was a simple response to that thought, and I never implied that the thought itself was realistic. I still feel it's too early to tell, but I'm not trying to convince anyone who feels otherwise.
dickroach
Member
for a successful campaign, generally:
the first two days are BIG (like, anywhere from 35% to 100+% funded), the middle is a drag (like 2% of the goal each day), and the last few days get another little bump (10+% of the goal).
this thing got 2% of their goal on the second day. the second day is usually the biggest day.
RecRoulette
Member
I'd rather them worry about hitting the main goal before stretch goals, but hey...
Edit: Not trying to pile on here, this is the first kickstarter I've actually backed. But I stopped paying attention to Kickstarters awhile ago because for the most part they are poorly planned. Even the more successful ones seemed to succeed based on what they were rather than their Kickstarter.
TheSpoiler
Member
This shit is at 11 percent of its goal in asking a niche market with exuberant main and stretch goals. Pack this shit up and try again in a month.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Father_Brain
Banned
It's great that they're being so responsive in acknowledging the demand for a Switch version and that the previous minimum for getting a copy of the game was too steep, but it's very hard to see how it makes their goal at this point.
LukasTaves
Member
The original switch stretch goal was just a 450k bump over the previous one. The issue was that they were putting other features prior to switch port so the total was absurd.
What I'm talking about is completely different. They are asking 800k *just* to port the game to xbone. 800k to port a game that costs 1.1 million to develop for ps4 and pc, and that costs 400k to port to switch is unjustified. Specially since this is a 2d game on ue4,which is known for being easy to support many platforms.
What justifies costing almost the same as it costs to develop the game in the first place, or twice as many as other platforms just to port it to Xbox One?
Again, I don't care about the placement of the Xbox port in their priority, that's their call, I'm talking about the fact that the amount of money they are asking just to port the game to xbone is absurd compared to the other values.
test_account
XP-39C²
If they could get it funded by Sony, why would they even go the Kickstarter route in the first place? If they "want to get away with it", getting a publisher to fund all would be a much easier and safer way to go. Its probably not funded by Sony as the same reason why Nintendo or Microsoft isnt funding it, it being a very niche genre.
That's cool but they pissed off one revenue stream and don't even know price their tiers properly. That doesn't inspire confidence to me.
Don't waste your time, they have made their move, now you make yours.
sounds like you're interested
cj_iwakura
Member
I've been playing rhythm games for decades, but this just has red flag all over it. I'm waiting.
I thought this paragraph of the campaign was really interesting:
Specifically, it's interesting because it suggests they hadn't attempted to put this new type of gameplay in the context of a previously established series... aka THEY NEVER CONSIDERED MAKING THIS PARAPPA 3!? Forget concerns of ruining a "known and loved game system", this rap battle idea is literally what people would want from a new game. Hell, they already toyed with it in PaRappa 2 with the Colonel Noodle "rap battle" where you twist his lyrics around to sing the praises of desserts rather than noodles.
I may be getting ahead of myself with 30+ days left for this thing to turn itself around, but if they hadn't pitched this as an exclusive PaRappa 3 to Sony, that should absolutely be their next priority before trying another fundraising campaign. I imagine it'd be a lot cheaper to make as well since the simplistic visual style is expected. No expensive character models because everyone's a 2D image that wiggles around, Rodney Greenblat's environments are colorful and expressive without being incredibly detailed, and they'd only need to worry about making it on PS4. If Sony can greenlight fucking Knack 2 they can spare less than a million on a new PaRappa, especially after doing a 20th anniversary port and a mobile game. I mean... why resurrect the series just to do nothing big with it?
...Is this a 2D game? I had assumed it would ultimately be 3D, considering NanaOn-Sha's previous games in this vein have all been 3D, and it would also explain the costs versus a 2D game.
PoshAlligatorRD
Neo Member
They don't have the rights to a PaRappa 3. If Sony wanted to back one, it would've happened by now.
Father_Brain
Banned
It's still only at 11%, two days after launch. Doesn't seem that there's been any real surge of backers today despite the reshuffled tiers and stretch goals.
dickroach
Member
It's true that they don't own the rights, but how do we know Sony wouldn't back a new game if NanaOn-Sha hasn't pitched it to them? Sony might not be interested in funding Rap Rabbit, but Yoshida's comments at PSX suggest they're aware that PaRappa has pull with the old-school PlayStation fans, and the fact that they're using the IP for mobile is proof that they have some interest in keeping it alive.
At the very least, I hope they've had internal talks about the subject and not seriously ruled out pitching PaRappa 3 because they think the super-basic gameplay is too sacred and beloved to change. It would be so disappointing if we never get another rhythm game from Matsuura just because a Kickstarter needed a bit more time in the oven.
Gormless Noodle
Member
It really is too bad. The concept looks really cool and so does the art, characters are really cute too and everything and I don't get the feeling they'd screw it up much considering the people behind it.
Father_Brain
Banned
At the end of the day, despite its pedigree, this is still a niche game whose particular niche means that it will only take an hour or so to play through. I don't question the team's math as to how much it'll cost to fund the game to completion, but it just doesn't seem that there's $1.1 million worth of demand for it.
Shin
Banned
Only thing I've noticed is that people on KS, PSBlog and even here are shitting on this game unnecessarily, doesn't really help the cause.
I do hope this gets funded, it's a breath of fresh air to me and I'm really looking forward to add it to my collection.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Death of a ''genre'' right here :d
cj_iwakura
Member
Rhythm games are going strong. The failure of a poorly managed Kickstarter doesn't mean the end of a genre.
PoshAlligatorRD
Neo Member
Interestingly Kicktraq has it at more backers for Day 3 than Day 2 (at less money). We'll just have to see, I guess.
dickroach
Member
Yeah rhythm games are fine. Amplitude was crowd funded, right?
The idea of an hour long game in this instance is what's hard for people to sink their teeth into.
Edit : for whatever reason I forgot about amplitude until just now. Taking a quick glance at the numbers, That campaign looks like it got mostly funded at the end. On mobile so I can't really crunch the numbers, but that definitely gives some hope for this project
The $39 tier gets you the digital soundtrack as well. But I am glad they added a lower tier... just wish it was there from the beginning!
Games4Days00
Member
So they had the switch version at 3.5 million then switched it (no pun intended) to 1.5 after the backlash?
I don't know how i could trust these people with my money.
I don't know how i could trust these people with my money.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I mean the specific style of character driven rythm/music games with narrative. Not that it has been particularly healthy anyway.
They explained how they came to the Switch budgeting at length in the most recent update, feel free to actually read up on the project you're slagging off.
Unreal Champ
Banned
So I had pledged £300 to this but after they pulled the Xbox One version off, I've pulled my funding.
PoshAlligatorRD
Neo Member
Fellow Easy Allies Patreon supporters now have access to the newest podcast containing 10 minutes of Rap Rabbit discussion. If you're interested in the Bosman take early.
chronic_archaic
Member
Wait, so the Xbox One version isn't even an option now?
At least I have Superbeat I guess. Fuck I need a PS4.
At least I have Superbeat I guess. Fuck I need a PS4.
cj_iwakura
Member
It's on the ropes, but they still happen. There's Rhythm Thief and...
Uh...
Well, I'll go play Space Channel 5 a few more times.
If they show some actual gameplay and music, I might back it, but right now this screams 'showing the talent but not the result'.
That was a stretch goal that's since been removed, but yea it was a pretty bad idea.
cj_iwakura
Member
Another sign that there's no clear design doc in place yet. They want to see how much money they can get.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Right now they're covering the immediate Stretch goals, considering they still want to be SOMEWHERE near their initial goal. I'll give this one a chance, free soundtrack and a lower Switch goal.
That's the general feeling regarding this. When compared to the last project I backed, Indivisible, these guys come off as so clueless. The time where you can just name drop a couple of famous game developers and watch the cash flow in is long over.
cj_iwakura
Member
Good. It makes me kind of sad, because I KNOW these guys can and probably will make a great rhythm game, I just don't like the way it's being handled. Hopefully they learn their lesson and come out swinging.