Whenever I think about D2, this is always what I come back to.
That said, all my friends are buying it though so I'll be grinding through another set of dopey bullet sponges along with everyone else.
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To the "Destiny 2 looks like DLC" crowd. Why?
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Whenever I think about D2, this is always what I come back to.
That said, all my friends are buying it though so I'll be grinding through another set of dopey bullet sponges along with everyone else.
scoobs
Member
This is how I feel about thew new solar warlock class. It seems like it is literally exactly the same thing as the Titan solar class. They both throw solar projectiles from the sky, what is the difference supposed to be exactly?
Didn't even think about that but you're right.
True but I'm not sure that's needed if they're completely reworking how the three current ones play. We already know they threw out three sub-classes and replaced them with new ones.
Doesn't look like we're getting any. I kind of understand being disappointed by that but does it really matter that much? The race of your character isn't something you get to see outside of social areas because you're always wearing a helmet. (And even then, people can choose to wear their helmet instead.)
The opening mission has a clear jump in graphics from the first game. It's certainly noticeable in the direct feed footage, at least.
It's not looking to be a big jump outside of story missions, however.
This is false. There have been at least two new enemies shown off in the lone strike that was available to play.
Darkstorne
Member
Not even close for me. It's that they seem to refuse to view this game as an MMO when the attachment to characters, social aspects, and time investment all line up. And a good MMO needs big content updates to keep the community engaged. Destiny 1 never had a big content update, only minor ones. This would have made for a colossal content update, yet they're spinning it off as a new game even though very little (if anything) is being done here that couldn't have worked in Destiny 1. Their contract with Acitivision demanded that the majority of Bungie HAD to get to work on a sequel immediately after Destiny 1 shipped which led to a content drought, and now it's like "Oh! THAT'S where all my Destiny 1 content went!"
So the question now is, given how much this looks like it could be a part of Destiny 1 (and the biggest new map, EDZ, undeniably WAS in Destiny 1 even before launch to some degree) are we going to get the same damn thing again with Destiny 2? Will Activision demand the contract be honoured and Destiny 3 be delivered in 2 or 3 years from now? And if so, should we expect bugger all content from expansions again because the majority of the team has been forced to abandon the game the moment it releases? What I want to know is Acitivision have changed their tune and will allow Bungie to delay Destiny 3 to focus all their effort on building a game with plenty of content, and building a community, through Destiny 2. Because without that damn contract EDZ at the very least would have been in Destiny 1. And if that contract remains in place then screw it, I'm not going through another contract drought, I'll wait for Destiny 3 when Bungie will finally be allowed to properly support one of these damn games instead of abandoning them for a sequel immediately.
For the sake for variety and more customizations to your character, I think it's very important in the genre Destiny is in.
Tiger man from the original concept art would be cool.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
I would argue that there are:
New classes in that they are all fully reworked, including brand new subclasses.
No new playable races, mainly due to it wouldn't make sense lore wise to add a new allied race now (except perhaps a friendly Fallen...but the armor would be problematic obviously).
The graphics in Homecoming, to me, looks amazing and a huge step up: the weather, the lighting, the explosive effects....seemed like D1 upgraded to a new level: perhaps I need glasses though, who knows lol.
I would argue that there are a whole new bunch of enemies to fight (that we've seen so far even), with the Red Legion touting crazing dog monsters, dual bladed juggernauts and tons of other non-Legionnaire style Cabals. Vex/Fallen looks samey, but who knows what there is in store in the full game.
Edit: I see ZeroEGM nearly did the exact same answers to me, great minds etc
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
I think it is at the moment if I'm not mistaken? but it's moving to a more connection based matchmake in D2 (I could be wrong here though).
Think they're moving to connection based since P2P is staying on: Trials of the Nine could be skill based though, I'm not sure there...surely it will be to some extent (one would think).
I was more hoping like overwatch with division and what not that'd be pretty awesome especially if they are aiming for esport with Destiny.
Laurel_McFang
Member
For what it's worth I was watching that Warlock, I think it's a Warlock, with that new air dash down move that apparently restores shields, negates fall damage, and can do a little splash damage and I like the way Destiny is slowly introducing movement mechanics into FPS games like Hunter dodges with 0,0 etc. that is one positive is the way they are slowly working into something that challenges the conventions of the fps.
It's been skill based match making since late 2015 and the community hates it edit: apparently they fixed that late 2016. Looks like you missed out though because bungie said they're going to be prioritizing connection based for D2.
this is a funny post because there are currently strikes in destiny 1 with light "raid" mechanics.
Chronospherics
Member
I feel that it needed a key feature that made it stand out as a different game, but it doesn't have that. As you say, it has things like reworked subclasses, an abundance of new content, etc, but that content appears to fit the same formula.
Look at the marketing for something like Star Wars Battlefront, for instance. The game is iterating on its previous instalment by adding a new singleplayer campaign, it's what people wanted, and it's a big deal.
Destiny 2 is purely iterative, expanding inwards not outwards, and it's difficult to market that. Especially in some cases where the iteration isn't clearly, objectively better. If for instance you used to play 6 player crucible with your friends, the more focused 4 versus 4 offering in Destiny 2 seems worse. Instead of enhancing the gameplay of the large maps and large scale game modes, they removed them, yet obviously there were people that enjoyed that style of game.
But as I say, it's missing a key feature for them to market it with. Something like space combat, or perhaps cool new social hub features, a new focus on vehicles. It's just all over the place, lots of small changes, most are improvements, some are sidesteps, but in total it's difficult for the user to evaluate that and clearly identify that they'd enjoy it more, or less, before playing it. Whereas, if hypothetically, you had a big new feature (e.g. Space Combat) then players can see that and think 'oh yeah, that looks cool, I'd enjoy that).
But looking at the gameplay reveal. The myriad of small changes, the tweaks to how classes work, the new weapons. Will I enjoy that more? How much of a difference will the plethora of small additions make to the my experience? It's not explicitly clear. I think in general it's likely that all of the small changes will have a significant impact on the quality of the experience that people have, but the game lacks a unique selling point when compared to the first game and that makes it difficult to market.
Also the story isn't new enough for me. I saw enough of those three characters in the Taken King DLC and onwards and it just doesn't feel fresh as a result. I think a focus on new characters could have sold the idea of a new story, and that could have helped quite a bit. Look at how Borderlands shifted between 1 and 2 and placed its focus on story, they introduced iconic, new characters to drive the narrative, and it had a huge impact on the games marketing and appeal.
Look at the marketing for something like Star Wars Battlefront, for instance. The game is iterating on its previous instalment by adding a new singleplayer campaign, it's what people wanted, and it's a big deal.
Destiny 2 is purely iterative, expanding inwards not outwards, and it's difficult to market that. Especially in some cases where the iteration isn't clearly, objectively better. If for instance you used to play 6 player crucible with your friends, the more focused 4 versus 4 offering in Destiny 2 seems worse. Instead of enhancing the gameplay of the large maps and large scale game modes, they removed them, yet obviously there were people that enjoyed that style of game.
But as I say, it's missing a key feature for them to market it with. Something like space combat, or perhaps cool new social hub features, a new focus on vehicles. It's just all over the place, lots of small changes, most are improvements, some are sidesteps, but in total it's difficult for the user to evaluate that and clearly identify that they'd enjoy it more, or less, before playing it. Whereas, if hypothetically, you had a big new feature (e.g. Space Combat) then players can see that and think 'oh yeah, that looks cool, I'd enjoy that).
But looking at the gameplay reveal. The myriad of small changes, the tweaks to how classes work, the new weapons. Will I enjoy that more? How much of a difference will the plethora of small additions make to the my experience? It's not explicitly clear. I think in general it's likely that all of the small changes will have a significant impact on the quality of the experience that people have, but the game lacks a unique selling point when compared to the first game and that makes it difficult to market.
Also the story isn't new enough for me. I saw enough of those three characters in the Taken King DLC and onwards and it just doesn't feel fresh as a result. I think a focus on new characters could have sold the idea of a new story, and that could have helped quite a bit. Look at how Borderlands shifted between 1 and 2 and placed its focus on story, they introduced iconic, new characters to drive the narrative, and it had a huge impact on the games marketing and appeal.
Edit: I see ZeroEGM nearly did the exact same answers to me, great minds etc
I legitimately want that to be how you read my name.
cripterion
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUFOI9cinLA
I thought that was a pretty interesting to watch in the context of this thread, it shows both games reveals.
I thought that was a pretty interesting to watch in the context of this thread, it shows both games reveals.
JazFiction
Neo Member
Good link, i think i know what is putting me off as Destiny moves on. Its the visual noise.... I think its since the last DLC. The newer footage is just horrendous for it, its like a neon explosion fest. I loved the more reserved style of the original. More like Mass Effect, take in the worlds, explore, slightly more subtle UI indicators etc.
Hopefully they just showed big explosions for the launch and the game has some down time.
AmayaPapaya
Banned
As a Borderlands fan, I was disappointed in Destiny as it was supposed to be the thing that blew that game out of the water, but, in the end, I thought Borderlands 2 ended up blowing Destiny out of the water. Borderlands had funner powers, a more interesting skill tree, a better story, better characters, better loot, and better weapons, IMO. The shooting felt better in Destiny for some odd reason though (better than any other shooter on consoles). Bungie really worked their magic there.
Coming into this one, it just looks like a list of more stuff rather than improvements to the very core of the game like with what Uncharted and Borderlands managed to do. Hopefully that changes as we get to see the game more, cause I'm still looking to scratch that itch.
Coming into this one, it just looks like a list of more stuff rather than improvements to the very core of the game like with what Uncharted and Borderlands managed to do. Hopefully that changes as we get to see the game more, cause I'm still looking to scratch that itch.
They could have done a lot more too since they gave themself a lore reason to strip you of your things/powers.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
Hahaha....it actually is: maybe I need ze glasses XD
Trickster
Member
I haven't played the Iron Lords expansion, so dunno what strike bosses there are like.
But from the other strikes, I can't really think of a boss with a mechanic that was felt interesting or offered any real kind of challenge. There was a Vex boss with a ball you have to run around with while adds spawn. And there there was the shield brothers which were kinda interesting by virtue of them being a double boss that had some quite noticable attacks you needed to dodge properly. But even those were extremely simple mechanically and like pretty much every boss, their challenge came from adds, not the bosses themselves.
Other than that though I really can't think of anything resembling unique bosses from the strikes
anothertech
Member
Wow. Watching that again... we really got a different game than what they showed at reveal. I hope they can bring the vision of that game back.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Honestly if they give me 4 dlc worth of content and a number of gameplay tweaks it sounds worth $60
No! You'll take more or less the same amount of content as the original release and you'll like it!
Also people should really do their research when comparing BL2 to Destiny. Look up the pricing for BL2 DLC, it's season pass, the individual prices for each and what each expansion delivered, then get back to the thread before making inane comparisons.
Iron Lords definitely improved on the strike bosses. The two that are coming to mind right now are Sepiks Perfected, where you have to use the correct elemental cannon to get his shield down before you can attack, and one where you're in a circular room with limited cover and there's a boss firing a shit load of damage, while adds spawn periodically along with an unkillable ogre who can take you out pretty easily.
Because having a pissing contest over content is a pretty stupid argument.
There are plenty of games that exceed the 100 hour mark for completion and plenty of them are boring and padded to shit.
"Getting your money's worth" is a stupid argument to me. If time-spent is your metric for a good game, then I'm sure Destiny 2 will be super great for you.
Quality over quantity.
But it couldn't be updated to support all the extra gameplay and system additions, which also have a cost.
Speculation
It's speculation either way.
The latter seems much more likely than they just didn't bother.
oneils
Member
They are definitely more upfront now, which is commendable. That is what I liked about the reveal. However, we are starting to see stuff that is iffy. The latest news about the grimoire, for example. They have said that they "want the lore to be in the game" which is not the same as "the lore is now in the game." We should be on the lookout for statements like this. Once we hear "we want..." we should probably take it with a grain of salt.
This. Visual crap is the thing I hate most in many current gen games. I wish devs put the resources in image quality and framerates instead.
Herp Derpington
Member
PC. The visual crap you hate, which includes image quality, will forever be a focus of devs. You can shake your fist at them forever or take matters into your own hands.
GamerSciz
Member
Destiny 1 was practically pitched as an MMO shooter with loot, leveling up, grind tactics, and weapon modifications including legendary and exotic weapons. The problem I have with the Destiny 2 reveal so far is anyone new to the game I could show them Destiny 1 and Destiny 2 and they wouldn't know the difference. It feels like add-ons is all we are getting. There's one new game mode in PVP and that's really it. Is prison of elders back? Will we have something like that. We have Nightfalls, Strikes, and Raids but nothing new. We have the basic same 3 classes. At least add another class, that would set it apart from Destiny 1. Everything just feels like an upgrade.
My main concern is all the additional content (especially the good ones) that we got in Destiny 1, of that content what will remain? Are we starting over with little content and once again nickel and dime us through expansions? I can't stand when games remove things that work well just to replace it later on with something that is worse. I think Destiny 2 will do fine in sales because of the sheer following it has but I think the MP might not be nearly as popular with everything going 4v4. Oh and the new game mode is just hardcore Search and Destroy from CoD (thanks Activision).
Sepiks Perfected is one of the laziest things I've seen in a game over the years. The latter example was fun and more original, but absolutely awful on void burns, if I recall correctly. I hope they do a better (e.g., non-shit) job with balancing in 2 instead of the everything does infinite damage or has unlimited health difficulty in D1.
I guess I was expecting a bigger jump in visuals because of Bungie's past work. 3 years after Halo 3 we got an enormous visual increase in the form of Halo: Reach, and that was on the same hardware with a Halo 3 expansion being made on the side.
It's been 3 years since Destiny and the new game does look better, but just barely. And unlike the changes made from H3 to Reach, Destiny 2 isn't held back by old hardware like the first game was.
It's been 3 years since Destiny and the new game does look better, but just barely. And unlike the changes made from H3 to Reach, Destiny 2 isn't held back by old hardware like the first game was.
This is true and also why I prefer to play my games on the PC.
Also a thing to note is that Reach ran at a slightly higher resolution than Halo 3 (1152x720 vs. 1152×640) while offering significantly better graphics. Destiny doesn't improve here either (1080p in both cases), unless one counts PS Pro 4K support, which one really shouldn't.
The one where the Homecoming mission didn't happen apparently.
darkistheway
Member
Yeah, that strike boss should not be considered a positive.
yanipheonu
Member
Real talk, the whole Shooter RPG genre is small enough that beggers can't be choosers if you want that kind of game.
Is Destiny a flawed game? Yup. Are there many games that do what they're doing better? Not really. It's this or The Division, or I guess you could dig up Borderlands. The choices are few.
I'll take Destiny 2 over The Division.
I am curious to see what a Borderlands 3 looks like, but for now, there aren't many alternatives.
https://youtu.be/bI3ynsyxYl8
Here is a great and measured take on the reveal. I think both sides of the aisle should give this a watch.
Here is a great and measured take on the reveal. I think both sides of the aisle should give this a watch.
I was going to post this same video if someone else hadn't already.
He took a great middleground so that both sides can understand eachother.
I wasn't sure if it was worth a new thread because we technically have two threads based around Destiny 2 impressions.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
You know what would have gone a long way to make it more sequel-like? They should have made space flight combat >_> Something, anything that is a new system rather than an old system but just twigged.
One a personal note, I really wish they made more creative 'normal' abilities than just different grenades and jumps.
One a personal note, I really wish they made more creative 'normal' abilities than just different grenades and jumps.
digitaltrance
Member
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."