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Let us calmly discuss the Monster Hunter 4chan rumor about PS4 and Switch

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Delio said:
To me that would make it seem like Sony is threatened in some way by Nintendo but why would they be?
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Because the next numbered Monster Hunter on Switch would have the potential to make the Switch sell like hotcakes, even more than it's selling now. This is probably a move by Sony of Japan which is still more concerned about the Japanese market than international. With handhelds already massively more popular in Japan than consoles, as Monster Hunter being a huge system seller there, MH5 on Switch, and the Switch doubling as a living room console, would mean serious competition for the PS4 in Japan.
 
Both people would get what they want so I'm not seeing a problem.

If Sony paid for no more MH ever on Nintendo then it would be bullshit, but apparently the Portable series will continue to happen? So that's fine.
 
I'd love to believe parts of this (simultaneous MH5 and MHP5 development with 2 different design philosophies), but it just doesn't make sense. Westernizing one of the most popular games in Japan on a console that isn't incredibly popular there doesn't seem like a good way to recapture that audience.
 
If the PS4 rumor is true, I'd expect they'll take Dragon's Dogma, beef it up for a sequel, graft some classic mechanics on there, skin it to look like Monster Hunter, and call it Monster Hunter 5. That's the most logical outcome, taking a Capcom game folks enjoy and marrying it with a name that makes more money.

I think that's probably a bad idea, because an actual Dragon's Dogma sequel is building another IP and calling it "Monster Hunter 5" runs afoul of fans turning on you for using the name.
 
Jaded Alyx said:
I have no way to prove this of course, but I would bet any amount of money that if there were a multiplatform Switch/PS4 Monster Hunter, the Switch version would sell the most in the West by far.
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Of course it would. As someone who has never been big into handheld gaming, I have zero anticipation for a MH game coming to a home consoles. I assume that's true for a good portion of people who aren't into the handhelds. So, of course the majority of MH fanbase (which already have handhelds and like playing the game that way) would buy it on a portable platform.

Well, as long as the gap between the PS4 and Switch version isn't that big.
 
MHXX for Switch was a good idea, and they predicted it.

Both Sony (and Capcom) wanting a western market focused, Monster Hunter that is prettier, open world and with a less hardcore gameplay concept for the big platform also makes sense. Capcom would take advantage of its giant userbase and Sony also benefit selling more consoles and games in Japan.

Nintendo also wouldn't like to leave MH, and considering the recent success in Japan of recent MH games makes also sense to make a Japan focused MH5P for Switch.

But if they just announced MHXX and -considering all it's true- they may announce MH5 this E3, I think MH5P announcement would be delayed until at least a few months after the MHXX release. Because it would be so bizarre for people to see 2 big MH coming, and to add a 3rd would be too much.

MH require a lot of time investment from players, so they woulnd't understand to get releases too close. For devs to make a proper PS4 MH in addition to MHXX would also require a lot of resources that I doubt they already have, and to add a 3rd to the mix would be too much, so that's another reason to delay MH5P if this ever exists.

I bet that PS4 MH5 is true, but I doubt MH5P is real at least in short term. It may also exist, but I don't see it being announced soon.

Primethius said:
Desperate for Japan, they pay for a MH game that's nothing like MH while the Switch gets a traditional one?

Stupid as stupid can be.
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Sony is making record numbers with PS4 worldwide, they can't be desperate for Japan since now as market isn't as important as it was in the past. I think that instead they'd want to get a small bump there while also seeing potential to get some money from the west. For Sony this project wouldn't very important. They already have a big amount of exclusive big sellers.
 
Don't really seen much gain for Sony in this, why pay for an exclusive MH that only really found it strive when it came to handheld. Should just pay for a PS4 port.
 
Weltall Zero said:
Because the next numbered Monster Hunter on Switch would have the potential to make the Switch sell like hotcakes, even more than it's selling now. This is probably a move by Sony of Japan which is still more concerned about the Japanese market than international. With handhelds already massively more popular in Japan than consoles, as Monster Hunter being a huge system seller there, MH5 on Switch, and the Switch doubling as a living room console, would mean serious competition for the PS4 in Japan.
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Yeah but Sony has been really western focused this gen right? Why would they care when they already dominate gaming as it is. Doesn't make sense to me.
 
Whatever Capcom does, there will be tears. Delicious. Whatever they do, I'll get the game.

Unless it's Scorpio exclusive..

It is going to be a Scorpio exclusive.

Darn it, even my tears will flow
 
Weltall Zero said:
Because the next numbered Monster Hunter on Switch would have the potential to make the Switch sell like hotcakes, even more than it's selling now. This is probably a move by Sony of Japan which is still more concerned about the Japanese market than international. With handhelds already massively more popular in Japan than consoles, as Monster Hunter being a huge system seller there, MH5 on Switch, and the Switch doubling as a living room console, would mean serious competition for the PS4 in Japan.
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The PS4 is selling badly enough in Japan as is even without "serious competition" from a Switch with MH, and it's incapable of supporting the biggest reason for MH's popularity in Japan (local co-op), so even if you ignore the parts about MH5 being heavily Westernized or Sony not paying for full exclusivity or Switch still getting the more JP-relevant MH entries, it's hard to see how Sony would stand to gain enough from this to justify the moneyhat.
 
Delio said:
Yeah but Sony has been really western focused this gen right? Why would they care when they already dominate gaming as it is. Doesn't make sense to me.
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Support? MH could bring in a rather large audience which might spark many Japanese devs to try making a game for Switch?

Many Vita devs have been trying to move to PS4 while trying to bring their audience with them but haven't been meeting the same levels of success. The audience doesn't want a home system, they want a handheld.
 
Is it too much to dream of both a new Dragons Dogma and MH on PS4?

Also am I misreading something, cause I don't get why people are supposed to be upset. MH5 is coming to both Ps4 and switch, but switch gets the portable version since its a, you know, portable console.

Seems fine to me. I guess Vita fans would be upset. If there's any left.
 
SneakersSO said:
Highly doubtful on all this, specifically because it characterizes Capcom, Nintendo, & Sony as if they are individuals, when they are giant corporations. I highly doubt you would get a bunch of 'panic' if the formula has indeed changed as drastically as this rumor suggests, as the gameplay formula would largely be detached from the series Nintendo fans have enjoyed on their portables. As for Sony wanting the game to be closer to launch till announce - every Capcom game in last 2 years or so has been announced within 12 or < of its release, so this doesn't sound like its a move made by Sony, rather its a publishing choice being made by Capcom.

And if the game is headed to other platforms like PC & Xbox, then it puts all the 'speculative' part of this leak into even larger question, because why would this strain the relationship between Capcom & Sony, as well as bringing up the question as to why would Sony be paying for an Xbox game to be made, when its clear from the gameplay changes being made that this is supposedly being made for a larger, western-oriented audience. If this is missing Switch, I think its more a technical limitation from Capcom chasing the X1/PS4 specs more than anything. Its amazing that Sony would pay to specifically keep a game as big as MH off switch, when a MH game is being made for Switch regardless, when Sony did not do this with DQ11, another game in a similar situation to this supposed MH follow-up.

The characterization of this leak as Sony bullying Nintendo, Capcom being confused/desperate, & Nintendo being a 'victim', just screams of a Nintendo fan who is trying to rationalize the rumors that another main-entry MH game is coming & missing the Switch. Why would Sony want to save consoles in JP with MH, a game that has been viewed as a portable Nintendo title for the better part of a decade. Not just that, Sony isn't really hard pressed to save consoles in JP - it has the best selling console on the market WW, and it has cultivated a wide audience that is allowing JP devs to find success with their releases in foreign markets, which is something most recently observed with the release of Nier: Automata & Persona 5, among others.
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Yes.
 
Scum said:
I just find it weird that Sony are willing to put effort into getting MH for the PS4 now, but did no such thing for the Vita, which would have made even more sense years ago.
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Vita's market was too small and Sony financials were awful, didn't have money to invest. Now PS4 has a huge userbase and Sony financials are ok, they have money to spend.
 
If someone had told me a couple of years back that PS4 would be getting a console exclusive Street Fighter and it'd have no arcade mode, more input lag than any recent fighting game, and would try to connect to the internet every time it booted up, I would say that that sounded stupid too.

This rumour makes this whole thing sound like a mess, but it's Capcom, so why not. Could be true. I do think though, that Sony would have handled the deal better. An exclusive only in name seems unlikely to be what they would have paid for.

MHWilliams said:
If the PS4 rumor is true, I'd expect they'll take Dragon's Dogma, beef it up for a sequel, graft some classic mechanics on there, skin it to look like Monster Hunter, and call it Monster Hunter 5. That's the most logical outcome, taking a Capcom game folks enjoy and marrying it with a name that makes more money.

I think that's probably a bad idea, because an actual Dragon's Dogma sequel is building another IP and calling it "Monster Hunter 5" runs afoul of fans turning on you for using the name.
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While Dragon's Dogma has become something of a cult classic on communities like GAF, it received a fairly tepid reception when it launched on the PS3. I certainly don't think it was good enough to use as a model for future games, not at least without considerable iteration.
 
Chronospherics said:
If someone had told me a couple of years back that PS4 would be getting a console exclusive Street Fighter and it'd have no arcade mode, more input lag than any recent fighting game, and would try to connect to the internet every time it booted up, I would say that that sounded stupid too.

This rumour makes this whole thing sound like a mess, but it's Capcom, so why not. Could be true. I do think though, that Sony would have handled the deal better. An exclusive only in name seems unlikely to be what they would have paid for.
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I said something similar when talking to my friends. It sounds so stupid and complicated that there's no way it could be true, then I remember it's Capcom and go "Oooh..nevermind."

Square and Capcom are masters at doing stupid shit like this.
 
Lifeline said:
Is it too much to dream of both a new Dragons Dogma and MH on PS4?

Also am I misreading something, cause I don't get why people are supposed to be upset. MH5 is coming to both Ps4 and switch, but switch gets the portable version since its a, you know, portable console.

Seems fine to me. I guess Vita fans would be upset. If there's any left.
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Switch version would be the original team and traditional Monster Hunter that people love going by the rumor. We're all just curious how this would benefit Sony to have a game made by a different core team that could change up a lot of things people like about the series.

MH doesn't necessarily have the massive branding to appeal to many in the west and changing for the west's sake is an odd one that could even alienate many fans. It's unknown how people in the west will react to this kind of Monster Hunter title on PS4, but if it does alienate its fans it can lose some foundation to perform well. Some of the changes in the rumor are already a turn off to some in this thread. On top of that, westernizing it and putting it on a home console would leave a gaping hole in Japan, where MH typically sells the most. So the rumor is at odds with itself in parts like wanting to secure a win in Japan.
 
Maintenance said:
I said something similar when talking to my friends. It sounds so stupid and complicated that there's no way it could be true, then I remember it's Capcom and go "Oooh..nevermind."

Square and Capcom are masters at doing stupid shit like this.
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I think the bigger issue is less Capcom stupidity and more Sony stupidity in regards to the money hat. That part doesn't even make sense.

They're worried about Japan so they'll fund a game called MH5 that's the game in name only focused on the west? While letting Nintendo have free reign in Japan with an actual MH title?

That seems too dumb to remotely be a plausible reason for a Sony money hat.
 
yurinka said:
Vita's market was too small and Sony financials were awful, didn't have money to invest. Now PS4 has a huge userbase and Sony financials are ok, they have money to spend.
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That makes zero sense. "Vita's market was too small". Funny you say that. It's because Sony didn't get MH turned the Vita into a niche device. If Sony, like you said, didn't have money to invest, maybe they shouldn't have greenlit and released the Vita. Releasing new HW costs way more than getting an exclusive game. The PS4 has nothing to gain with a MH game, Vita everything. The PS4 is on track to sell 100m consoles in a few years time. The Vita otoh has been left for dead by Sony for years.
The PSP went out with a bang in Japan and had an installed base of 20+m users. Sony really destroyed their own portable market in Japan and gave it away to Nintendo.
 
Sony doesn't seem to care that much about the japanese market to do that and a weird open world MH isn't guaranteed to sell all that much in the west.
 
Cerium said:
lol you picked the one post that can be factually debunked.

This rumor is THE original source of all "PS4 exclusive MH" discussion. It can't be a rationalization of something that didn't exist.
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Why did you zone in on only that? I agree with the post overall.

kpaadet said:
If not I'm taking my anger out on you!
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I'll allow it!

essenn said:
is DriftingSpirit an insider
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Sony and From working together again isn't anything an insider needs to tell us.

But no, I'm not.
 
I'm not sure if I buy this rumor, but if true the the only thing I would find weird is that the more Spin-off sounding one is the next numbered entry, while the more traditional one is being labelled a spin-off

I'll be in for both day one, I love the idea of of one expanding the world (I freaking loved Capcom's Dragon's Dogma, So I believe they can deliver) and I still get my traditional monster hunter
 
Also, while we talk about how this would benefits Sony, just how does this benefit Capcom? MH5 in name only while the real MH games are on Switch under a different title seems harmful to the brand and potential sales.
 
MHWilliams said:
If the PS4 rumor is true, I'd expect they'll take Dragon's Dogma, beef it up for a sequel, graft some classic mechanics on there, skin it to look like Monster Hunter, and call it Monster Hunter 5. That's the most logical outcome, taking a Capcom game folks enjoy and marrying it with a name that makes more money.

I think that's probably a bad idea, because an actual Dragon's Dogma sequel is building another IP and calling it "Monster Hunter 5" runs afoul of fans turning on you for using the name.
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I was going to post almost this exact same thing. That rumor for MH5 PS4 sounds a lot like Dragon's Dogma, so why not keep pushing that but beefed up in the west where people kind of like it.

Drastically changing MH series to appeal to the "west" has a big chance of alienating the base. Like I want to see them make more changes and updates, and I think the idea of getting rid of the timers and changing the mission structure is sound, but getting rid of the prep and gathering and the planning make it seem more like generic action game than Mon Hun.


Who knows.

I am excited that its looking possible Mon Hun will hit a wider audience, not excited that it is rumored to take a lot of changes to try to do that.

Also, if any of this is true, what a shit show Capcom is like how poorly run can they be?
 
Monster hunter ps4 is not happening and people should just let it go, free to pursue a life of religious fulfillment.
 
A Dragon's Dogma skin? I don't get it.

Monster Hunter is a technical marvel on 3DS and its developers deserve tons more respect than that. The franchise had to come to full HD eventually, and at the time PS4 was really the only viable console for it.

Now that Switch is on the table, Monster Hunter games will surely come to it as well. Whatever Capcom's teams learn during the making of this new version is likely to be helpful wherever the game goes in the future.
 
Akainu said:
Monster hunter ps4 is not happening and people should just let it go, free to pursue a life of religious fulfillment.
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lol

I expect to see you in the thread when they announce Monster Hunter 5 for PS4
and Switch
in the future
 
I mean, the only reason I'm even taking some of the rumor seriously is because Capcom is just dumb enough.

You always have to put that in your head "is Capcom dumb enough?" Then things never surprise you.
 
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Seems like some forum bullshit. Next-gen MH will almost certainly happen eventually though

I know MH has a lot of Japan/handheld legacy, but if/once there really is a fully next-gen MH, I kinda doubt ir would run well on the Switch anyway.
 
Nanashrew said:
I mean, the only reason I'm even taking some of the rumor seriously is because Capcom is just dumb enough.

You always have to put that in your head "is Capcom dumb enough?" Then things never surprise you.
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I don't think it's dumb to seek growth in international markets as a Japanese publisher.
 
MHWilliams said:
If the PS4 rumor is true, I'd expect they'll take Dragon's Dogma, beef it up for a sequel, graft some classic mechanics on there, skin it to look like Monster Hunter, and call it Monster Hunter 5. That's the most logical outcome, taking a Capcom game folks enjoy and marrying it with a name that makes more money.

I think that's probably a bad idea, because an actual Dragon's Dogma sequel is building another IP and calling it "Monster Hunter 5" runs afoul of fans turning on you for using the name.
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There is zero chance they're going to call a rebranded Dragon's Dogma Monster Hunter 5
 
Hmm..I don't buy it. I never played these games or know anything about them except their sales potential.

That being said, Capcom would have to be stupid to exclude the Switch. Now, I can see Sony showing some initiative to bring it to PS4, but not dropping dollars like that to keep it on a home system where they know half of the draw is it being on a portable device.

Would they pay an obscene amount of money to bring it to PS
P3
? Man, I dunno. If the rumors are true for DMC5 plus this.. they might as well buy em at that point, but I doubt it.
 
Is it possible to make a game anymore that's really popular in both Japan and the west? Have their tastes diverged too far?
 
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