Does it still ease the burden of having to search everywhere for the monster? So whats the problem?
Is that even a thing now? I haven't played since 3rd? If not why bring it up?
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Let us calmly discuss the Monster Hunter 4chan rumor about PS4 and Switch
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Sony isn't desperate for Japan, they would be stupid to do so.
That said, a streamlined MH will killed its chance at the West. The series itself and its aesthetics is a hard-sell in the West, can you imagine the purist and the extreme fans spreading their disdain of its existence? That's simply negative words-of-mouth, this is common already whenever an inferior version exist of the same game on other platform.
That said, a streamlined MH will killed its chance at the West. The series itself and its aesthetics is a hard-sell in the West, can you imagine the purist and the extreme fans spreading their disdain of its existence? That's simply negative words-of-mouth, this is common already whenever an inferior version exist of the same game on other platform.
Stairouais
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People hoping for MH5 to be closer to Dragon's Dogma..
Do you get that most MH player don't give a shit about lore, story, or the world, of that game? That MH is closer to a fighting game than an action rpg?
It's almost as if you're asking for SFVI to be a open world beat en all.
edit: anyway, in this "worst case scenario", I'd expect a DQIX like uproar from japanese fans.
Do you get that most MH player don't give a shit about lore, story, or the world, of that game? That MH is closer to a fighting game than an action rpg?
It's almost as if you're asking for SFVI to be a open world beat en all.
edit: anyway, in this "worst case scenario", I'd expect a DQIX like uproar from japanese fans.
Psycho_Mantis
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MH5 is the DD2 we've always wanted....
Its streamlined in many ways.
Getting stamina when resting at camp? Do you get stamina when resting at camp?
Oh I'm not actually sure now that I think about it... I don't think so.
Bjoern the Smexy
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You don't. You only regenerate HP and remove all of your character's debuffs.
OrbitalBeard
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I think the "more acceptable for west" part of the rumor trips a lot of people up (including myself), but honestly, that may just mean the game is being a bit more streamlined, while still maintaining the core MH gameplay and mechanics. MH4U was already a pretty big step in the direction of making the series more accessible.
If you look at the rumor in that way, it's a bit more believable.
Edit - Though I guess the second set of rumors makes it sound like a lot of series mainstays are being stripped away, so who knows.
If you look at the rumor in that way, it's a bit more believable.
Edit - Though I guess the second set of rumors makes it sound like a lot of series mainstays are being stripped away, so who knows.
How are you supposed to be shaking it up, it's a perfect formula.
You go on a quest
Fight the monster
Finish the quest
Repeat
What do you want? Swimming to come back? 8 player rooms? New weapons? More monsters?
River dancing.
jeremy1456
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Do fans of the series really want it to go for a more Western focus? I'm a casual fan (put a ton of hours into Tri and Tri G) but that seems like it would go entirely against the focus of the franchise.
I mean the game was fun, but do people really want Capcom to sink the franchise into obscurity? Nintendo was the only reason anyone gave a damn previously in the West.
I also don't care that much about the franchise. Switch will still surpass PS4 in Japan in this scenario so why are people so concerned about it?
I mean the game was fun, but do people really want Capcom to sink the franchise into obscurity? Nintendo was the only reason anyone gave a damn previously in the West.
I also don't care that much about the franchise. Switch will still surpass PS4 in Japan in this scenario so why are people so concerned about it?
OrbitalBeard
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Yes, please. A lot of people hated that aspect of 3, but it added variety, which I loved. I got quite used to the controls over time and found underwater battles to be quite exhilarating. Lagiacrus remains one of my favorite monsters in the series.
Lessen the gathering and prepping. More on HUNTING. Plus I would like to see a more open world take: Monster Hunter x Dragons Dogma.
jeremy1456
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No it wouldn't. Might sell like 500k tops.
Do people not understand how the franchises works? Spinoffs for it never hit millions in Japan. Especially non portable versions.
jeremy1456
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Again, it will be TGS or a Nintendo Direct where the game is announced.
jeremy1456
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As someone who sort of believes the rumor it just doesn't make sense. Then again it's Capcom so I mean...
MH5 being western focused won't make a lick of difference. Capcom struggles with the North American market lately so they would just be sacrificing their biggest franchise.
Doesn't matter to me because they aren't the same Capcom they used to be, but a part of me is sad thinking they might sacrifice their biggest franchise in its biggest market.
Some men want to watch the world burn.
MH5 being western focused won't make a lick of difference. Capcom struggles with the North American market lately so they would just be sacrificing their biggest franchise.
Doesn't matter to me because they aren't the same Capcom they used to be, but a part of me is sad thinking they might sacrifice their biggest franchise in its biggest market.
Some men want to watch the world burn.
SporeCrawler
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DQ 9 had an uproar? It was the best selling DS game I think?
R
Rodin
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Sony "welp we're desperate for Japan, let us pay capcom for a MH game that appeals to the west"
jeremy1456
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It was. It caused an uproar here though.
NeoGaf doesn't represent any market however. DQIX sold a million in the west thanks to nintendos marketing.
I can believe the rumor, and cannot at the same time.
I commented yesterday on the trailer thread that MH5 could be on Switch and PS4. One version for handheld lovers, and another for home-console lovers.
But being a portable game makes more sense. It's always been portable, cheap to develop, bringing benefits,... A PS4 exclusive version that exploits all PS4 power would be very expensive, unless they do a game that looks like a PS2 game in HD.
I think that the main reason why MH, portable MH, is so popular is Japan, is because of the Japanese lifestlye, where people need about more than 2 hours to go from home to work every day. I would say those are the main MH consumers, they play it on the trains, busses, undergrounds, even flights. This is the only time of the day people have time to play games.
A PS4 exclusive game could get many newcomers in the west, but what about Japan? Sony being desperate for Japan and doing this wouldn't make much sense. Unless Sony is unveiling PSP3 this E3, and making the game exclusive for both their home console and new handheld...
I commented yesterday on the trailer thread that MH5 could be on Switch and PS4. One version for handheld lovers, and another for home-console lovers.
But being a portable game makes more sense. It's always been portable, cheap to develop, bringing benefits,... A PS4 exclusive version that exploits all PS4 power would be very expensive, unless they do a game that looks like a PS2 game in HD.
I think that the main reason why MH, portable MH, is so popular is Japan, is because of the Japanese lifestlye, where people need about more than 2 hours to go from home to work every day. I would say those are the main MH consumers, they play it on the trains, busses, undergrounds, even flights. This is the only time of the day people have time to play games.
A PS4 exclusive game could get many newcomers in the west, but what about Japan? Sony being desperate for Japan and doing this wouldn't make much sense. Unless Sony is unveiling PSP3 this E3, and making the game exclusive for both their home console and new handheld...
Maybe Sony's true motive all along is to destroy the monster hunter franchise, because capcom abandoned the vita for 3ds monster hunter games and gave them a mediocre SF5 game. Anything can happen in this world
Stairouais
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The uproar was before release.
If I remember correctly, they wanted to change to battle system to a real time combat mechanic, and the fan reaction was so negative they went back to the traditional system.
Maybe Sony's true motive all along is to destroy the monster hunter franchise, because capcom abandoned the vita for 3ds monster hunter games, and gave them a mediocre SF5 game. Anything can happen in this world
UziTheBeast
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The rumor is about a MH for the WEST on PS4.. Why would that be announced at TGS or Nintendo direct..
Hypereides
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it will a nintendo direct where Kamishima waving white flag to the mighty Sony and introducing Monster Hunter 5 for the Ps4
AzureFlame
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Deep Down should be the game Sony focus on releasing 
I really want to understand what this topic is about but the images in the Op are not loading *EDIT* okay used a proxy, working now
Okay. If Capcom wants to westernize MH all they have to do is take Dragon's Dogma which is universally loved by everyone who bothered to play it, and mix it with all the strong IP elements of MH, replacing enemies or various in-game systems as necessary. It would be a huge hit IMO. There you go, your open world MH game. Make the explorable world larger than DD of course, and focus it more on hunts (Which DD does have, so it's not hard to imagine). I'd love it.
I've seen a lot of people already being critical of the appearance of XX (personally I'm really digging it), but truth is, yes, it still looks like a portable game. Which, in its current form, it is. So if they want to keep the 'portable' entries on Switch, that works just fine with me as well.
Okay. If Capcom wants to westernize MH all they have to do is take Dragon's Dogma which is universally loved by everyone who bothered to play it, and mix it with all the strong IP elements of MH, replacing enemies or various in-game systems as necessary. It would be a huge hit IMO. There you go, your open world MH game. Make the explorable world larger than DD of course, and focus it more on hunts (Which DD does have, so it's not hard to imagine). I'd love it.
I've seen a lot of people already being critical of the appearance of XX (personally I'm really digging it), but truth is, yes, it still looks like a portable game. Which, in its current form, it is. So if they want to keep the 'portable' entries on Switch, that works just fine with me as well.
IMHO, the best scenario for everyone would be an unified MH5 that respects its roots, but modernize the designs that came from hardware limitations,and comes for all modern systems. Instead, if rumor is true, we get a bastardized version with unknown appeal and a 'real' version that doesn't get the resources that it could it be getting.
Also, would MH5P be also coming for 3DS? Because MH really needs to get rid of those loading screens. Yes, I get the arena gameplay. Arenas are fine and it would be a big blow to the franchise to get rid of them (read that, MH5 PS4), but now we can have better interconnection between them friggin loading screens.
Also, would MH5P be also coming for 3DS? Because MH really needs to get rid of those loading screens. Yes, I get the arena gameplay. Arenas are fine and it would be a big blow to the franchise to get rid of them (read that, MH5 PS4), but now we can have better interconnection between them friggin loading screens.
jeremy1456
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If the rumor is to be believed, and I semi believe it because Capcom is stupid, it will be MH4Portable.
Nintendo could just release Animal Crossing for the switch and it would outsell even portable MH by 1.5 times.
Nintendo really has nothing to worry about. It's Capcom who should be concerned about their future plans.
AmayaPapaya
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Honestly, I think Monster Hunter could be a great success in the west (as it's starting to be or maybe already is) but it just presents itself so badly.
When I first played it, I hated it. I later recommended it to a friend who likes grindy games and said he wanted a large time sink for summer. I told him I didnt like it but I thought he might. Well, he didn't like it either cause it took way too long to get to the point, and fighting monsters, at first, feels so clumsy.
Later on, though, he got into it after he forced himself to learn it, and started to like it a lot. He taught me the fasttrack way to learn the game and get a feel for it, and, pretty soon, I was hooked as well. Unlike most people, I don't think they need to change the formula for it to appeal to the west (although they may need to because franchise fatigue, but that is another topic), they just need to figure out how to present the game, and teach itself better.
People in the west LOVE crafting games and arena style grindfests about developing skills. Crafting is a huge part of Skyrim, Fallout, Far Cry, etc... Arena style grindfests take many forms in very popular games like Overwatch, Mortal Kombat, and League/Dota 2. They got the beautiful formula in their hands, it just isn't appealing in the way it communicates to players in the west.
Its carries heavy sins like throwing way too much info at the beginning, and giving very long detailed explanations in logs or tutorials. They need to change all of that or wait as it slowly emerges into mainstream, as people learn it and share with their friends, like it is right now, IMO.
When I first played it, I hated it. I later recommended it to a friend who likes grindy games and said he wanted a large time sink for summer. I told him I didnt like it but I thought he might. Well, he didn't like it either cause it took way too long to get to the point, and fighting monsters, at first, feels so clumsy.
Later on, though, he got into it after he forced himself to learn it, and started to like it a lot. He taught me the fasttrack way to learn the game and get a feel for it, and, pretty soon, I was hooked as well. Unlike most people, I don't think they need to change the formula for it to appeal to the west (although they may need to because franchise fatigue, but that is another topic), they just need to figure out how to present the game, and teach itself better.
People in the west LOVE crafting games and arena style grindfests about developing skills. Crafting is a huge part of Skyrim, Fallout, Far Cry, etc... Arena style grindfests take many forms in very popular games like Overwatch, Mortal Kombat, and League/Dota 2. They got the beautiful formula in their hands, it just isn't appealing in the way it communicates to players in the west.
Its carries heavy sins like throwing way too much info at the beginning, and giving very long detailed explanations in logs or tutorials. They need to change all of that or wait as it slowly emerges into mainstream, as people learn it and share with their friends, like it is right now, IMO.
Even Sony and Capcom have to know that 90% of monster hunters appeal and sales come from it being portable.
So Sony paying big sums for the series to become Playstation exclusive would imply that they either have plans for re-entering the handheld market or that they wanna build on the brand awareness in the West.
In Japan, the series being stuck on PS4 would implement a sales ceiling from 300-700k going by older games on consoles.
In the West, the brand awareness for something like Monster Hunter isn't all that great.
It sells 'fine' but not that well to consider investing big sums of money on a franchise, Sony can't fully use, since they left the handheld market and where they don't own the ip. And they wouldn't even shut out the series appearing on their 'home console'.
Not saying it won't happen, but it seems like a very weird project to invest in.
So Sony paying big sums for the series to become Playstation exclusive would imply that they either have plans for re-entering the handheld market or that they wanna build on the brand awareness in the West.
In Japan, the series being stuck on PS4 would implement a sales ceiling from 300-700k going by older games on consoles.
In the West, the brand awareness for something like Monster Hunter isn't all that great.
It sells 'fine' but not that well to consider investing big sums of money on a franchise, Sony can't fully use, since they left the handheld market and where they don't own the ip. And they wouldn't even shut out the series appearing on their 'home console'.
Not saying it won't happen, but it seems like a very weird project to invest in.
SuperStiltzkin
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Been playing Monster Hunter since the PS2. And at this point I'm tired of playing MH4 yet again. 4U, Cross, and now XX. I'm ready for something new.
If the rumor is true, go ahead and do something new with it. Change it up, streamline it, whatever. As a hardcore fan, all the little changes they add with each iteration has excited the hell out of me. And something small like a new move is usually enough to hype me up. But I'd really like to see them do something drastic. Could it end up sucking? Sure, but I've had my fill of countless Monster Hunter games, I'd gladly sacrifice one entry for them to overhaul it and attempt to do something completely crazy with the series.
If the rumor is true, go ahead and do something new with it. Change it up, streamline it, whatever. As a hardcore fan, all the little changes they add with each iteration has excited the hell out of me. And something small like a new move is usually enough to hype me up. But I'd really like to see them do something drastic. Could it end up sucking? Sure, but I've had my fill of countless Monster Hunter games, I'd gladly sacrifice one entry for them to overhaul it and attempt to do something completely crazy with the series.
SporeCrawler
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if its not a big e3 reveal then the whole rumor can be put at rest. why would capcom announce a MH5 on PS4 at TGS when its catered to the western market?
MHX already changed the game a lot with different hunting styles. its generally a lot easier then before
The part of the rumour about Sony wanting them to announce it close to release means this will carry on for a long time if it doesn't happen soon.
Cuz I want to fight monsters with swords n stuff while hunting them
Comandr
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I can appreciate this. Which is why the rumors of a "western" MH game don't flat out terrify me. But in my heart I just want to play a traditional MH game with a controller on my tv that doesn't look like a ps2 game. I don't feel like I'm asking a lot, but camcpom sure seems to think I am.
Gen 4 was just way too long and drawn out. I'm just really really really ready for MH5.
OrbitalBeard
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Sony wanting Capcom to announce MH5 close to release makes no sense to me. If I were Sony, I would have planned for that announcement to be made a month or so before the Switch launch.
I agree with you, the current series can get over in the west with the traditional formula, they just need to spend more budgets to their games combined with Nintendo's marketing, it will eventually be a success in the west for sure. MHGenerations proved that current formula could be a success, they just need to improve their games quality on the switch, put a better plot on it and that's it
SuperStiltzkin
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I've played MHX, got burned out on it cause it's essentially MH4U which I already exhausted all it's content. Hunter arts are new, but it still feels like same old Monster Hunter. It still looks like same old Monster Hunter. It is not an overhaul of the whole game. Capcom surprised us with RE7. Do something crazy different with MH.
SuperStiltzkin
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They gonna pull a FFXIIIVersus and Deep Down will become MHV.
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