They need to lay off the CG elements
I was playing Persona 5 today and some of the CG in the cutscenes is jarring af
Still better than their anime cutscenes imo
They need to lay off the CG elements
I was playing Persona 5 today and some of the CG in the cutscenes is jarring af
The first two are actually from a video game, the last one is from a card game. So I'm cheating.
Fansubbers consider actually translating the title of a show into English to be blasphemous, and this is why they are wrong.Are ya thinking of AnoHana instead of Aku no Hana?
Another big issue is that when people first get into anime, they binge on the good stuff. Not counting Sailor Moon, DBZ, and Pokemon, I first really got into anime in 2001. At that time I was watching Evangelion, Princess Mononoke, Cowboy Bebop, Akira, Gundam, etc. This stuff was genuinely mindblowing and completely different from everything I had seen before. But overtime, once you see all the classics, the drivel really stands out. Not to mention so many modern anime fans have terrible recommendations. "Dude, watch Kill la Kill! It's SUPPOSED to be bad!"
Another big issue is that when people first get into anime, they binge on the good stuff. Not counting Sailor Moon, DBZ, and Pokemon, I first really got into anime in 2001. At that time I was watching Evangelion, Princess Mononoke, Cowboy Bebop, Akira, Gundam, etc. This stuff was genuinely mindblowing and completely different from everything I had seen before. But overtime, once you see all the classics, the drivel really stands out. Not to mention so many modern anime fans have terrible recommendations. "Dude, watch Kill la Kill! It's SUPPOSED to be bad!"
Hey, do you know where I can watch this online? Legally I mean. I looked for it after Austin Walker talked about it but came up empty.
I mean, I know Gundam isn't Gasaraki or Patlabor but c'mon...08th MS Team is real robot. Hard sci-fi real robot doesn't make for entertaining anime most times.More importantly, since when does Gundam count as real robot?
I... I really hope my sarcasm meter is on the fritz.Anime used to be manly in the 80's, we had cowboy bebop and samurai champloo
You should get that checked out.Anime took a loli waifu to the knee.
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You know what, never mind. That sounded better in my head.
Anime is better now than ever before. Also Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
Bruh Ping Pong the Animation and Showa Rakugo Genroku Shinjuu are two of the best TV anime of all time...
It's hard to take the threads seriously when I see comment like these.
Haikyu and My Hero Academia are like two of the best anime ever.
I've got exactly what you're looking for, OP.
You're welcome.
Anime used to be manly in the 80's, we had cowboy bebop and samurai champloo
Now we got Your name and A Silent Voice (girly dating nonsense) and Nichijou (some moe moe kyun shit with bad graphics and not even funny or cool)
http://sakuga.yshi.org/data/6237fe024471f559017423c7c1350e8c.webm
Look at this 'Goodnight Moon'-looking shit, clearly catering towards some mentally deficient manchild otaku niche
GIVE ME BACK MY TRIGUN
The confimation bias is strong in this one.Y'all picking out individual shows out of entire seasons. One or two good shows out of 20 don't make it a good season. Far from it.
Used to be you needed a fair few quality anime to make it a good season. You're just proving my point by holding up these few examples you've been able to pick out of the constant stream of shit nowadays.
Where have you been asking for recommendations?There's just way too much of it now, so finding legitimately decent stuff takes some doing. It's impossible to ask for recommendations, cause the loli harem trash is so abundant because people love that shit.
I... I really hope my sarcasm meter is on the fritz.
How does the reversed anime then/anime now pic not give it away gentlemenI'm hoping this is a parody post but I can't tell in this thread.
This situation didn't exist in the past either. There were tons of bad anime released every season, and selective memory is probably the biggest part of what makes nostalgia so powerful.Y'all picking out individual shows out of entire seasons. One or two good shows out of 20 don't make it a good season. Far from it.
Used to be you needed a fair few quality anime to make it a good season. You're just proving my point by holding up these few examples you've been able to pick out of the constant stream of shit nowadays.
HAHAHA no one tell him the truth~yoooooooooooo that loooks siiiiiick.
Watch jojo's bizarre adventure at least.im goin through crunchyroll rn and this is just not catching me anymore. i tried to watch some of this shit but either its some school drama melodramtic type bullshit or its over the top to the point the shit is not even enjoyable.
what happened to that weird action type anime from the 90s man real shit
also why is shonen still a thing :S
EDIT: same goes for manga as well cant catch anything that really sparked me the way it did in the past
ya poor soulyoooooooooooo that loooks siiiiiick.
How an anime looks is hardly all there is to anime though. The look has changed but, let's be honest, anime was never very good if we want to consider all shows that have been produced. If we're talking specific shows in the past and specific shows now, there might be an argument to be made, but on the whole stuff like Dragon Ball Z wasn't good. It was schlocky then, it's schlocky now.I think it's somewhat fallacious to assume any given medium improves exponentially due to changing standards and is always "better than it's ever been." The posts explaining the consequences of economic stagnation on the medium do a good job of outlining its current challenges and differences from the past. But I think one can just look at it and honestly see the resulting art style changes from then and now. Character expression and detail seems to have been simplified and streamlined as workflows have moved to digital. There is also a difference in color choice and palettes as paint and digital colors have different considerations to take into account. There is an appeal in the art of the old Dragon Ball and Z as compared to Super that isn't just limited to any of their model issues, but is simply a result of it not being gestured, drawn, and colored as well as in the past on average. Same with something like Pokemon, which has literally been the same exact shit since its inception.
Junko Enoshima's true plan of despairdanganronpa 3 killed it
american funded anime shows are gonna be the new wave
but yeah seriously light novel adaptations are the worst
it's crazy how you can basically get away with plagiarism in the light novel world
How an anime looks is hardly all there is to anime though. The look has changed but, let's be honest, anime was never very good if we want to consider all shows that have been produced. If we're talking specific shows in the past and specific shows now, there might be an argument to be made, but on the whole stuff like Dragon Ball Z wasn't good. It was schlocky then, it's schlocky now.
The media has evolved with the impacts of digital animation, but digital animation or 3D characters are just tools. Using tools well is a matter of practice, and until practice improves (which won't happen if people never work with it as a mode of a presentation) there are going to be shows that suffer from poor animation. People should expect growing pains when a new media is introduced, especially when they're additive.
I agree with your statement about the whole, "better than its ever been" nonsense, but that's the case because anime was never very good to begin with. We idolize the few things within anime we love, and selectively forget all the junk that needed to be made to create that monolith.
Where's that from?
Where's that from?
What happened is, you were shown selected great anime from the 90s, and perhaps the 2000s, but if you should know: there was still a lot of garbage anime in those years. I'll admit it, perhaps there's more garbage anime knowadays with the current animation technology. You will have to dig deeper in that pile to get to the good anime.
Go to anidb.net or some other anime database and search. You will find great quality series based on your liking.
Not surprising. Most modern anime is about maximizing production and push as many shows in the shortest time possible. Most of it looks and moves like shit. 80's and 90's anime has more detail in the cells and better animation in general.
I agree, but I'd bring that back around to practice. Digital art practice with 3D animation is not at the same level of quality animation was at in the 80s and 90s, and that's because animation was already mature by that time. Digital animation will likely catch up eventually, but it's going to take time because conversion is a messy process. I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with it though, it's just different. I think the current production process is what leads to the issues you're referring to more widely though, and those can only be improved if the industry decides it wants to focus on a few shows, rather than pumping out an ever-increasing number of them. Anime is much more like a production factory lately, and that shows in the work. But that's not a result of inability, it's a result of time frames and expectations.As an animator, I'm not one to boil down the quality of an animation as a whole to just its look. But the art and animation is important to me regardless. It should look good as a baseline, and I can empathize with people who are disappointed or put-off by in the stylistic changes that anime has gone through over the years as a result of economic and workplace reforms and the move to digital. It's just honestly not as well-drawn or appealing on average.
You like it because of its look, but that look is unlikely to remain separate forever. There will come a time, probably within our lifetimes, where separating the two becomes difficult (if we're not there already, in some cases). I can understand liking the methods more, such as working with physical media. I have a harder time seeing what the difference is if what matters are results, which can be digitally represented, given enough time and effort, and, well, technological change. I think there are very few things that fundamentally cannot be done digitally, but they often require an evolution of technology, practice, or both. What you're presenting as important (color bleed, for example) are processes that can be represented, they just aren't represented in digital work (at least not yet).I am not talking about mastering the tools of the trade. I'm asserting that there is explicitly a difference in the way different mediums render the same art and workflow from the same artist, and thus an artist's traditional work and their digital work are really not the same. Photoshop, After Effects, and Toon Boom are not the same as traditional mediums even when people wrangle these programs to try and emulate traditional mediums. Color inherently works differently between its light-based form and its pigment form. Liquid bleed and flow acts differently. Even just the fact that you're drawing with a tablet pen on a screen versus on paper with a pencil changes things, and I would further wager these differences change the context of how we perceive each's craftsmanship. The classic argument with this is that Beauty and the Beast's ballroom scene is impressive because the characters are drawn versus had they been live action or CGI. All of this isn't even getting into the argument of how gesture is lost through rounds of clean-up that digital lends itself to more easily (I am a huge fan of the Xerox period of Disney for this reason even though most people seem to hate it; it's the closest we get to the Nine Old Men's intended performances and gestures versus how those performances and gestures are translated by other specialized inkers. If I could compare it to anime, it's similar to the difference between watching anime as a native speaker of Japanese and watching it subbed as an English native.) Again, I've done traditional and digital 2D animation. I've wrangled with and seen the differences even in my own work, and at this point in my life I know very well that I have a preference for the look of animation that is traditionally made versus digitally made.
I can appreciate and agree that the art has gotten worse. But that doesn't really impact my enjoyment all that much, as the story is typically my baseline for quality (unless it's an action show, though I've never watched a lot of action shows). Most of the stories are bad, given many of them are taking from source material that's bad, and aren't improved upon by the significant changes animation affords. Also, anything we say about anime as a whole is going to be reductive without a deeper analysis, and the format of a message board isn't really conducive to that longer-form discussion.Boiling the issue down to "it was never good!!!" is reductive to the point of uselessness in this conversation. There have been changes in the medium regardless of its baseline quality. This isn't even in contention. Subsequently, people can form preferences between those differences and thus come to a frame of mind of whether or not the medium has gotten better or worse. You think it's always been trash. Great! I think if nothing else, the art has actually gotten worse, and a lot of my personal enjoyment suffers from that.
Ahh, so the subtitles are fake. Too badMasou Gakuen HxH
An ecchi harem animu with lots of tits and sex. Not good for much else than fapping.
Recycling my old post from the Bubblegum Crisis thread:
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You're comparing 1 hour long Direct to video OVA's sold individually produced during Japan's economic boom and with months inbetween an episode to standard anime.
Let's see what else aired in 1987 on tv:
There's some good stuff out there OP, not much, and it's all shonen lol. I recommend One Punch Man at least.
Is there anything like Planetes or Death Note these days? In terms of being interesting, well-written, and well-made and not filled waifu/loli shit.
When has anime in general not been insufferable garbage?
You've got Bebop, FMA, JoJo's, HxH, Berserk, One Piece and like maybe 5 to 10 other series that are worthwhile. That's it.