I liked the shortcut from the camp on Deserted Island in Tri, where you could dive straight into the water and head off for those areas without heading out into the central/shallows areas first.
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Let us calmly discuss the Monster Hunter 4chan rumor about PS4 and Switch
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Good thing Verendus already said that MH was coming to PS4 in a big way two years ago right?
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I think it would be really difficult to do an open world. Chasing Monsters would be boring as hell.
Monsters would still stay in their prefered areas, so even if they escape you can track them down.
Sangetsu-II
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Agreed, as long as I can purchase both versions (Switch/PS4) of whatever they working on. It's fine by me.
SuperStiltzkin
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Oh I didn't mean all biomes in one open world. I meant more each biome is a self contained "open" world. But, all biomes in a one open world could be interesting. They could implement some kind of mounts to get around faster.
Yeah, I know what you meant, but I'm thinking about it now and this could be what they go for...all biomes in one world + fast travel. The design of the open world is obviously going to be critical. Horizon is not a Monster Hunter game, but it does a reasonable approximation of this. It could work. I don't know that I would like it, but it could work.
Right but that would mean less exciting environments as they would have to be connected and traversable. At the moment you the 12 areas or whatever can be placed all over the mountain/forest/desert which means travel time between say the base and peak of a mountain is easy to travel.
CrimsonSquall
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You get the beeeeeest of both worlds
Sangetsu-II
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As long as they give me some mining spots I don't mind the traveling in an open world, unless mining is included in the less gathering part of the rumor.
The areas in a map already look like they could be logically connected. They would have to desing the new maps so the connections arent just random corridors.
Also they could just improve mobility even further so it doesnt take that long to reach your target. I dont see why it wouldnt work.
As long as the classic style focused action MonHun exists on portables, I really don't mind whether they explore new takes on the franchise like the current trend for huge open worlds in home console games. They've also released various mobile and MMO MH games that don't interest me either, it's a huge series, trying new things to expand it on different platforms is understandable. Personally I like the way it's an arena game with no wasted time for sight-seeing, worrying about draw distances or columns of hunters running for twenty minutes while fighting the stamina bar instead of a monster. I had enough of that attempt to merge a boss-fight game with a single explorable world in Final Fantasy Explorers, although the concept works better in Toukiden 2, where you have an open world for gathering and free hunts and the missions are more focused. Still, to each their own- I quite liked it when they put Dead Space Extraction on the Wii as a spin-off that tried something that worked well on the platform, and open-world is currently in vogue for the AAA/home console audience. Trying different things avoids stagnation, and even if it's wildly successful it isn't going to replace the classic series that spawned a genre. Good luck to them I say, it'll mean work on great assets that the classic series will eventually benefit from a few years down the line too.
So to appeal to Japan, Sony intends to team up with capcom and westernise the base gameplay systems in an attempt to see growth in the west? What? Its a contradiction.
Either Sony want to crack Japan in which case they just need a graphically nice, mechanically identical release of monster hunter to appeal to the Japanese market.
Or
Capcom want to extend the franchises appeal out to the west in which case teaming up with Sony for a westernised, more accessible exclusive seems to make sense.
But it's one or the other. It can't be both...
Either Sony want to crack Japan in which case they just need a graphically nice, mechanically identical release of monster hunter to appeal to the Japanese market.
Or
Capcom want to extend the franchises appeal out to the west in which case teaming up with Sony for a westernised, more accessible exclusive seems to make sense.
But it's one or the other. It can't be both...
Limp dick middle ground is ALWAYS an option, friend. Maybe Sony wants to improve its Japanese presence AND Capcom wants to expand the series's appeal. It wouldn't surprise me if Capcom ends up making a product that undermines the goals of both parties and does more harm than good...
Or maybe Capcom will do a great job and make everyone happy? The Capcom of old could probably have done that, but they were also pretty awesome.
All I want is the ability to hunt those Capcom monsters - with their great AI and fantastic personality-filled animations - in a package wrapped in modern visual trimmings. Whether it comes in the form of a PS4 exclusive or Switch up-port I care not, for they will have my money either way.
I do feel open world MH might have some interesting potential. Like a Monster Hunter that lets you track - and actually HUNT monsters (though making such actions interesting to play would be tricky). Perhaps there would be a day/night cycle where night would change the monster's behavior and where torches would actually be necessary. Imagine staring into the blackness only to realize you're being stalked by a Nargacuga!
Instead of escaping to another area to heal, you might lead the monster into a pack of animals to distract it or utilize cover and crawl spaces to lose its attention. Or maybe even lead it to another monster and have them actually fight it out as opposed to ganging up on you regardless of their positions on the food chain.
However they decide to handle it, I only hope they keep the focus on cooperative play.
I do feel open world MH might have some interesting potential. Like a Monster Hunter that lets you track - and actually HUNT monsters (though making such actions interesting to play would be tricky). Perhaps there would be a day/night cycle where night would change the monster's behavior and where torches would actually be necessary. Imagine staring into the blackness only to realize you're being stalked by a Nargacuga!
Instead of escaping to another area to heal, you might lead the monster into a pack of animals to distract it or utilize cover and crawl spaces to lose its attention. Or maybe even lead it to another monster and have them actually fight it out as opposed to ganging up on you regardless of their positions on the food chain.
However they decide to handle it, I only hope they keep the focus on cooperative play.
Jawbreaker
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I want to see some Horizon Zero Dawn cameos in a hypothetical PS4 game. Let me hunt a Thunderjaw, dammit.
LukasTaves
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It's fake because Sony would never money hat a game just to keep it from coming to other console.
But are we sure this isn't just a playful jab at the fact that Sony did make a bad clone of a Capcom franchise filled it with shitty QTEs and not only found a wider success it even made the industry adopt the shitty QTE design over the original superior one?
But are we sure this isn't just a playful jab at the fact that Sony did make a bad clone of a Capcom franchise filled it with shitty QTEs and not only found a wider success it even made the industry adopt the shitty QTE design over the original superior one?
pixelation
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I hate myself for knowing where that's from... *self-punches*
Graphics Horse
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Exactly, people are looking at it like Sony dictating what kind of game Capcom want to make. This is about a partnership between a platform holder and an IP holder, they each have their own shit to look out for, it's not about both parties desperate to help Monster Hunter or PlayStation in Japan. Feel like I'm starting the obvious though.
What, and what?
I'm still on the side of "this is bullshit", though. It just makes no sense from too many angles. And are we really trusting random people on 4chan, guys? 4chan?
Infinite_Daremo
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The past few 4chan leaks have turned out to be true. FF15 storyline/development issues. There was another game which the leaked the story to a year before its release. Can't remember which. As with any rumour take with a grain of salt.
BigEmil
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And alot of other leaks from 4chan were fake too.
That's confirmation bias. There's tons of false stuff.
Astral Dog
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I say its Fake,too much speculation and vagueness. Basically only says MH could come to both PS4 and SWITCH
MH5 as a straight up multiplatform game for PS4/Switch sounds much more believable to me.
The rumour doesn't say Sony has any part in the production. In fact it only really says they're paying to keep it off Switch(and not XB1).
killatopak
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I'd love for a PS4 MH but I feel that the nature of MH was always better in portable.
Anyway, if the rumors are true, I'm glad both console and portable players still get to play.
Anyway, if the rumors are true, I'm glad both console and portable players still get to play.
That is bc the rumor is probably either fake or full of inaccuracy. Unless the game was already being made for ps4 the money would be going to production and dev costs. If they already started development on ps4 maybe Sony chose to pull a ms titanfall deal but even people claim that was bc they needed the fund's for development despite having a huge publisher already and a build of the game up and running on ps4.
Point being even if game doesn't come to switch doesn't mean that rumor was completely accurate
Allonym
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I assure you that it'd be far stupider and a more egregious error on Sony's part to just "let it be" rather than contend for it and let Nintendo simply have it. As it stands now, it is the best selling current gen console in Japan and if Sony wants it to stay that way, they have to take steps to keep it that way.
Sorry but I don't agree with you. It doesn't need to outright be the clear leader as much as it needs to remain competitive. Exclusivity is what will keep players on Sony's platform and make people who might've bought a Switch for mainline MH games consider adopting a PS4 rather than Nintendo's offering. I think that can and will keep things tight between Sony and Nintendo and seems to be a more sound approach rather than conceding the territory without putting up a fight.
Wolf Akela
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Would like to have less prep time.
As it stands, it's just irritating to start a quest but forget something, like drinks, antidote, del, seeds or even whetstones (happens when you switch between BM/G).
QTEs are kinda already in MH4U.
As it stands, it's just irritating to start a quest but forget something, like drinks, antidote, del, seeds or even whetstones (happens when you switch between BM/G).
QTEs are kinda already in MH4U.
Oh, I definitely agree. This particular rumour sounds like BS but the general idea might be true.
Even if they moneyhat Monster Hunter they can't change that. Nintendo has multiple of their own Monster Hunter sized franchises.
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It's already not close. Launch aligned the Switch is leaving the PS4 in its dust and Splatoon 2 looks like it's going to be an absolutely gargantuan hit.
Comandr
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Well there's this from the media create thread.
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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD |
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| NSW | 27.264 | 25.257 | | 859.062 | | 859.062 |
| PS4 # | 17.034 | 17.287 | 18.291 | 765.473 | 611.272 | 4.687.089 |
| 3DS # | 13.374 | 13.730 | 13.264 | 810.756 | 581.030 | 22.722.169 |
| PSV # | 4.596 | 4.212 | 10.082 | 237.161 | 470.973 | 5.484.580 |
| PS3 | 362 | 237 | 782 | 13.159 | 28.828 | 10.270.878 |
| WIU | 206 | 203 | 3.659 | 18.068 | 197.759 | 3.297.806 |
| XB1 # | 97 | 72 | 60 | 4.629 | 2.897 | 77.577 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| ALL | 62.933 | 60.998 | 46.138 | 2.708.308 | 1.892.759 | 47.399.161 |
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| XB1 S | 97 | 72 | | 3.857 | | 5.575 |
|PS4 Pro| 4.166 | 4.441 | | 127.880 | | 244.930 |
| PS4 | 12.868 | 12.846 | 18.291 | 637.593 | 611.272 | 4.442.159 |
| PSV | 4.596 | 4.212 | 10.082 | 237.161 | 470.973 | 5.484.580 |
| 2DS | 3.091 | 2.995 | | 202.542 | | 499.689 |
| n-3DS | 10.283 | 10.735 | 12.759 | 608.214 | 540.979 | 5.302.203 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+Honestly, the whole thing sounds like a Nintendo fans preemptive damage control... like in the off chance the series came to PS4 it's a total compromise (read: don't buy it!) and the REAL version will be on Switch.
Also, don't forget to downvote the youtube video when it's revealed.
Also, don't forget to downvote the youtube video when it's revealed.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
But that can be attributed to this just being so close after launch. Splatoon 2 can keep that momentum going but Switch had one of the best launch games in gaming history so that heavily factored into its steady buzz. We'll see if things will be different but PS4 didn't launch with as strong a launch game as BotW so early results are already skewed in favor of Switch.
We'll see if Nintendo can keep it up with Splatoon 2, ARMS and Mario but what else do they have in the pipeline that will carry them? Poke'mon and a less visually pleasing MH? I think it's far too early to call curtains for PS4 in the east.
You mean Monster Hunter in the form people actually want?
They also have Animal Crossing which is bigger than Monster Hunter and Smash Bros which is a million seller(and would likely outsell MH PS4). EDIT: Oh and 2D Mario/Mario Maker.
The Horror the horror
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Rumor is bogus.
Capcom would have to completely overhaul MH to make it an attractive product on PS4/PC. While using PS2 assets for the last decade seemed acceptable for the handheld ecosystem, PvE (player versus environment) has evolved exponentially on the higher end platforms, beyond simply combating monsters. When's the last time Capcom went above/beyond on that scale? Resident Evil 7 was downsized, Street Fighter V is gimped. The company wants its most prized franchise to grow but is either unwilling or unable to do it from the inside out.
Capcom would have to completely overhaul MH to make it an attractive product on PS4/PC. While using PS2 assets for the last decade seemed acceptable for the handheld ecosystem, PvE (player versus environment) has evolved exponentially on the higher end platforms, beyond simply combating monsters. When's the last time Capcom went above/beyond on that scale? Resident Evil 7 was downsized, Street Fighter V is gimped. The company wants its most prized franchise to grow but is either unwilling or unable to do it from the inside out.
Graphics Horse
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Please replace less visually pleasing for less compellingly textured.
jts
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Wouldn't that be easily debunkable depending if the game is as rumoured or not?
Stratosphere
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I don't care what console(s) it's on, as long as it's one one in the west. Fuck handhelds.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
We don't know form this MH will take though. I never played MH when it was on PS2 so for many, it will likely be their first exposure to the franchise and they likely won't know what other, more die hard legacy fans are comparing it to. My point is, Sony is smart in getting some type of exclusivity or simply having the game of PS4 it will help them in Japan. It's fine that Nintendo has many franchises to draw upon to appeal to Japanese gamers should they lose some of their userbase to the PS4. I'm just stating that this was a smart move if it is indeed true rather than letting Nintendo have their way in Japan. There are worse ways that Sony can spend its money.
I think the ideal situation is for this rumor to lead two "main series". A modernized open world one on higher end consoles, and a traditional Monster Hunter series that sticks to mobile platforms. Think something like how 2D Mario and 3D Mario co-exist.
However, assuming the rumor is true, I'm not convinced all of the worries are just fanboy wars. The rumor straight up mentions internal strike at Capcom over this. Even ignoring that aspect, Capcom hasn't had a great track record with their "simplifications" in recent time, most notably look at how Dead Rising 4 tanked.
Things may be different of course, since I believe Dead Rising 4 was made by one of Capcom's Western studios, so maybe the Japanese side will have a better shot at their simplification. Still though, with the way the rumor is framed, it doesn't seem like the PS4 Monster Hunter has had a smooth ride. Hopefully, Monster Hunter 5 will end up succeeding, or else it, at best, will probably lead to Capcom losing a pretty large chunk of cash in a vulnerable time, even if they can maybe soften the blow with a traditional Monster Hunter portable.
If the rumor is indeed true the traditional MH will release on Nintendo platform under different name though.
The vast, vast majority of PS4 games have declined versus previous games in the same series(Persona 5 being the notable exception) and MH Tri only sold 1.2m. A home console exclusive game isn't going to be big.
I agree with the bolded I guess.
SporeCrawler
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thats the thing. capcom had already two strands of monster hunter. Monster Hunter Portable.. aka the more succesful ones and Monster Hunter proper the games on console that didnt sell that well (except tri i guess). Monster Hunter 4 basically merged both strands into one which was also a decision due to the lacking capacity of capcom. otherwise they would have made monster hunter on WiiU or PS3&4 and monster hunter portable 4 on 3DS
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
In Japan or the world over? If you're referring to FFXV, well that game is polarizing already and has been in development limbo for a while. I don't think that's a fair comparison to make. Word of mouth hasn't been too kind for it and there's plenty of quality software to be had. The same can be said of MGSV. There's been negativity surrounding those games and legacy series like those and GT are facing much more quality competition this gen and people are choosing to support other games with their money.
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