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Alien: Covenant |SPOILER THREAD| With more Christian subtext than BvS

Also isn't David meant to be a android? Why is his hair long? Or am I going mad.

He's supossed to have some organic parts I think? Skin and such, it's not so big of a stretch to think that his hair would grow over time.

You can even see he has blonde hair tips from when he used to tint his hair blonde. Androids in this series have never been 'robotic' in the classic sense of the word, not as organic as Replicants in Blade Runner but not 100% artificial either.
 

Maffis

Member
That "twist" at the end was the most stupidest shit ever. Like, it wasn't even subtle. I'm pretty sure everybody in my theater knew it was gonna happen.
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
Slipping on the blood was a nice idea actually. When a fucking Alien is bursting out of your friends back? Are you thinking, hey, I should be careful about the blood on the ground? No you run the fuck away. It's a sort of realistic touch.

Issue is, three times is too much. Plus all the follow up to it, where she gets sprayed, locked her friend in, goes get a gun, opens up... voiding the quarantine they were just fucking talking about, But at the same time... voided it already by being sprayed with blood and leaving,
 
So, why was Shaw's badge and photo in that crashed ship? Did David incapacitate her after she fixed him, then he dropped the goo bomb and crashed the ship into a mountain for some reason?
 

hawk2025

Member
Slipping on the blood was a nice idea actually. When a fucking Alien is bursting out of your friends back? Are you thinking, hey, I should be careful about the blood on the ground? No you run the fuck away. It's a sort of realistic touch.

Issue is, three times is too much. Plus all the follow up to it, where she gets sprayed, locked her friend in, goes get a gun, opens up... voiding the quarantine they were just fucking talking about, But at the same time... voided it already by being sprayed with blood and leaving,


All rationality was gone the minute she was sprayed with blood.

That part was very well-done IMO.
 

Beefy

Member
He's supossed to have some organic parts I think? Skin and such, it's not so big of a stretch to think that his hair would grow over time.

You can even see he has blonde hair tips from when he used to tint his hair blonde. Androids in this series have never been 'robotic' in the classic sense of the word, not as organic as Replicants in Blade Runner but not 100% artificial either.
Ah that would explain that part.
 

border

Member
As for the Prologue, I wonder what the conversation was like between Fox/Scott and Noomi Rapace?

"Your character is going to be killed before the film even starts. But we'd like you to come back and shoot some scenes that won't even be in the theatrical version."
 

GhaleonEB

Member
So, why was Shaw's badge and photo in that crashed ship? Did David incapacitate her after she fixed him, then he dropped the goo bomb and crashed the ship into a mountain for some reason?

Also, since they crashed ten years ago, and David had a weather-worn grave marker for Shaw, why was her body still splayed out on the table like she was killed the day before?
 
Also, since they crashed ten years ago, and David had a weather-worn grave marker for Shaw, why was her body still splayed out on the table like she was killed the day before?

Probably some kind of embalming, preservative stuff for display/study purposes like the rest of the stuff he experimented on in the lab. I think the grave marker is more symbolic gesture on his part for her "sacrifice" to his work, he wasn't actually gonna bury her.
 
Probably some kind of embalming, preservative stuff for display/study purposes like the rest of the stuff he experimented on in the lab. I think the grave marker is more symbolic gesture on his part for her "sacrifice" to his work, he wasn't actually gonna bury her.

Yes, he says he got into taxidermy. He's preserved several of the xeno hybrids that were made after he dropped the goo.

On that point, I guess after its work is done the hybrids dissolve and turn back into the goo? All animals on the Engineer world are dead, so with nothing to feed on it goes dormant. Oh, and they ignore the ecological disaster of killing all the pollinators, by the way.

As for answering distress calls, I think space travel will be a lot more like "The Cold Equations" by Tom Godwin. Everything is planned down to the second and the ounce, there's no room for any deviance because of emotion or sentimentality or everyone will die. Because if not a colony ship carrying 2000 people could die, just as we saw in this movie.
 

Guy.brush

Member
Still can't get over the fact that Ridley managed to undo any of the ALIEN and cosmic horror with these new movies.
Before PROMETHEUS and COVENANT, the Space Jockey was something ancient and alien and the Alien itself was even more alien and horrific.

Now all 3 known "races" in the Alien universe are all interconnected and it is all just a product of creationist frankensteined genetic engineering.
Scott shrank his universe down to the David show. He should have kept the android God delusion shenanigans to the Blade Runner franchise imo.
 

Kadey

Mrs. Harvey
Yeah I was kinda hoping they made the engineers some fearsome take no shit from anybody race and they did in the Prometheus but then these engineers are like 1970s farmers.

The box office drop was huge. Hopefully studios and everybody involved learned their lesson.
 
Yeah I was kinda hoping they made the engineers some fearsome take no shit from anybody race and they did in the Prometheus but then these engineers are like 1970s farmers.

The box office drop was huge. Hopefully studios and everybody involved learned their lesson.
They'll double down on Xenomorphs.
 

liquidtmd

Banned
They'll double down on Xenomorphs.

Yup

"Hey, the movie tanked because Xenomorphs were only in 20% of the movie"

Answer: "In the sequel, David is revealed to be a secret Xenomorph. A ship of Xenomorph get a distress beacon from a ship. Goto Covenant. Get eaten by David-Xeno. Learn it was a trick. Sole Xeno survives, blows David-Xeno out of airlock"
 

jwk94

Member
Went to see this last night after watching Prometheus again.

- Pretty mad about David being evil and him killing Shaw. She was a great character who should've been in this one. It's like killing Ripley off-screen; you don't do that.
- The gay dudes having a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment really sucked, especially since EVERYONE was in a relationship. That said, it was nice that they didn't shove everyone's relationships in your face.
- I LOVED how in the shower scene, the girl didn't just dip or stand there when she saw the Xenomorph. The fact that she tried to pull Jamal from Empire away before he got stabbed was something you don't really see much in horror movies.
- David popping up out of nowhere to help everyone after the med bay explosion was really well done.
- Everything about the med bay made me laugh, shake my head, and wince at these people dropping like flies. The chick with the gun really could've gotten out of there alive if she wasn't all trigger happy.
- Tennesee hearing about his wife's death was pretty sad.
- Co-captain seeing his wife stumbling out of the med bay on fire was also pretty sad.
- James Franco being killed off was bizzrre and kinda maddening. Like why get him if you're just gonna kill him off like that? I suppose it sets the tone for the movie, but really?
- David revealing himself at the very end was fantastic. The look on what's-her-name's face was golden. I'm guessing she's gonna get killed off-screen too once they land on the next planet.
 
Pros: Fassebender

Cons: How are you gonna kill Shaw off-screen? The overall cast was significantly worse than Prometheus, and everyone was just as dumb. I did like the dark ending, and David is a good character. Not gonna lie, any potential sequel to this film sounds thoroughly terrible
 
Know what would have been more satisfying? If they'd have gotten Rapace back for like one fucking day and had the first xeno come out of her.

Almost anything would have been better than the nothing that it was.
 

Kallor

Member
Killing Shaw off screen like that was foolish. I was hoping david was full of shit and she got away or got the better of him some how and we'd see her again.

Still holding out hope that the Xenomorphs predate David SOMEHOW as well lol.

Oh well. The ending was great tho. Love a good 'Evil wins' ending.
 
Know what would have been more satisfying? If they'd have gotten Rapace back for like one fucking day and had the first xeno come out of her.

Almost anything would have been better than the nothing that it was.

It's puzzling to me that what we got out of Noomi being on set during production was essentially a Scottverse webisode (even if that scene was intended to be in the theatrical cut at one time). I'm curious about the scenario border brought up.

As for the Prologue, I wonder what the conversation was like between Fox/Scott and Noomi Rapace?

"Your character is going to be killed before the film even starts. But we'd like you to come back and shoot some scenes that won't even be in the theatrical version."
 
Speaking of Shaw, artist Matt Hatton who worked on Covenant posted some alternate art of her (as drawn by David?).

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More at his gram.

And I think the official art book has sketches of an alien egg growing out of a mutated human woman? Maybe someone can confirm. I need to check out the book myself in person.
 

sqwarlock

Member
They just need to stop with the continuing series shit. The last true sequel should have been Aliens. Everything after that should have been an anthology style entry. Just stop trying to tell a continuous story line based around penis and vagina monsters.

+1

I would love to see more anthology style stories about the Aliens. Don't try to explain their origins, and keep coming up with fucked up looking ones like the Predator/Alien hybrid. Imaginative designs, horror/action/thriller movies, and most importantly, an air of mystery surrounding the entire film.
 

Lupercal

Banned
Just saw it, might rank it as the worst Alien film.

The amount of bad decision making and sigh worthy moments are to much to count.
Give it to someone else please.
 

Volimar

Member
Went to see this last night after watching Prometheus again.

- Pretty mad about David being evil and him killing Shaw. She was a great character who should've been in this one. It's like killing Ripley off-screen; you don't do that.
- The gay dudes having a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment really sucked, especially since EVERYONE was in a relationship. That said, it was nice that they didn't shove everyone's relationships in your face.
- I LOVED how in the shower scene, the girl didn't just dip or stand there when she saw the Xenomorph. The fact that she tried to pull Jamal from Empire away before he got stabbed was something you don't really see much in horror movies.
- David popping up out of nowhere to help everyone after the med bay explosion was really well done.
- Everything about the med bay made me laugh, shake my head, and wince at these people dropping like flies. The chick with the gun really could've gotten out of there alive if she wasn't all trigger happy.
- Tennesee hearing about his wife's death was pretty sad.
- Co-captain seeing his wife stumbling out of the med bay on fire was also pretty sad.
- James Franco being killed off was bizzrre and kinda maddening. Like why get him if you're just gonna kill him off like that? I suppose it sets the tone for the movie, but really?
- David revealing himself at the very end was fantastic. The look on what's-her-name's face was golden. I'm guessing she's gonna get killed off-screen too once they land on the next planet.

James Franco was in this?
 

Rymuth

Member
Re-watched Last Supper short and just realized James Franco says "I'm burning up" and he dies in the movie by being burned alive.

Probably been noted before in this thread but I just gotta say - *slow clap* masterful, Sir Ridley, just masterful
 

jwk94

Member
It's what this series does best!
I'm still not over them killing Newt and the other dude.

I was bummed Shaw got killed offscreen as well, but if they do it again with Daniels that would just be silly. So it is totally happening.

There's no way to bring her back for the next film. The only way she could come back is if David figures out a way to erase her memory of those last few seconds before she fell asleep. Otherwise, she's a liability.

James Franco was in this?
Exactly. But he was the main character's husband. You can get a better look at him when she's watching the video of Franco and the co-captain climbing a mountain.

Re-watched Last Supper short and just realized James Franco says "I'm burning up" and he dies in the movie by being burned alive.

Probably been noted before in this thread but I just gotta say - *slow clap* masterful, Sir Ridley, just masterful

I gotta rewatch that. I didn't even notice the two dudes cuddling.
 

Nerrel

Member
Issue is, three times is too much. Plus all the follow up to it, where she gets sprayed, locked her friend in, goes get a gun, opens up... voiding the quarantine they were just fucking talking about, But at the same time... voided it already by being sprayed with blood and leaving,

I think the idea was that she was conflicted about leaving her and didn't have the conviction to condemn her to death in quarantine. I think it's plausible that seeing a violent creature in the room made her feel like she should actively do something; locking her in there with a virus that may or may not infect her is one thing, abandoning her when she's getting attacked is another. It's one of the few scenes in the movie where you can say that the characters did something dumb for believable reasons.
 

Toxi

Banned
OT I know, but I think it was the right decision otherwise the film would have been "Ripley, Hicks and Newt save the world. Live happily ever after"
The main problem was that Alien 3 wasn't a good movie, so killing a character from a much better movie just makes people hate the movie more.
 

jwk94

Member
How did Shaw die again? (Other than stupidly off-screen...)
It's never explicitly stated. We can either believe that she actually died in the ship crash (which we still don't know how that happened) or that David killed her. Personally, I think the crash makes the most sense.

OT I know, but I think it was the right decision otherwise the film would have been "Ripley, Hicks and Newt save the world. Live happily ever after"

That would've been a better movie than Alien 3 =/
 

Ihyll

Junior Member
My sister wants to go watch this movie with me....she's 10 though lol I was planning on going by myself but she wants to watch it also haha I know it's rated R but is there a lot of nudity/sex scenes?
 
My sister wants to go watch this movie with me....she's 10 though lol I was planning on going by myself but she wants to watch it also haha I know it's rated R but is there a lot of nudity/sex scenes?

The nudity/sex is very PG-13. Pretty much the shower sequence you see in the trailer. That's it.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
My sister wants to go watch this movie with me....she's 10 though lol I was planning on going by myself but she wants to watch it also haha I know it's rated R but is there a lot of nudity/sex scenes?

The shower scene cuts around most nudity. You see one breast in a side shot briefly IIRC, but otherwise it's all kept out of frame. There isn't any other sex/nudity.

The movie is pretty gruesome at times, if you are worried about gore. There are a few scenes with aliens tearing out of people in various ways and they are all pretty graphic.
 

Barzul

Member
Ok I saw this movie and I don't know if this has been brought up in this thread, but one thing that bugged me severely and was hard for me to suspend my disbelief for, was that humanity would land on some new and unknown planet without fucking hazmat suits on or some kind of advanced version of one. I don't care how many scans and analysis were done, an unknown quantity is still and unknown quantity and humans are just not that stupid to do what the crew did here imo.
 

Dinskugga

Member
My sister wants to go watch this movie with me....she's 10 though lol I was planning on going by myself but she wants to watch it also haha I know it's rated R but is there a lot of nudity/sex scenes?

So a human nipple/buttocks/sexscene are worse then all the gore/horror.

Its beyond my mind how it is like this. But yeah i would rather be more unsure about the gore then some nudity for a 10 year old person.
 
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Deleted member 102362

Unconfirmed Member
My sister wants to go watch this movie with me....she's 10 though lol I was planning on going by myself but she wants to watch it also haha I know it's rated R but is there a lot of nudity/sex scenes?
This is a fairly gruesome movie, the opening scene alone with the captain dying is intense as hell (pardon the pun).
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
I think the idea was that she was conflicted about leaving her and didn't have the conviction to condemn her to death in quarantine. I think it's plausible that seeing a violent creature in the room made her feel like she should actively do something; locking her in there with a virus that may or may not infect her is one thing, abandoning her when she's getting attacked is another. It's one of the few scenes in the movie where you can say that the characters did something dumb for believable reasons.

But her running back in conflicted what she was doing 2 seconds prior. Again, they are aping Alien with Ripley and Dallas arguing on letting Kane back in. The issue is the characters don't have consistency with themselves, but what the plot needs. Where they will betray the very thing they were doing just prior.

They set her up as worrying on contamination, between asking what is happening, throwing the bags out, locking the door, etc. Her leaving her friend to die makes sense or even locking themselves in.

But then her running back in with a gun blasting is the exact opposite of what her character was set up doing prior.

I feel like this wouldn't be an issue, except they do it several times in the flick. Between dude who follows David, Ten and the ship, etc.

There comes a point, where you can't have the characters sacrifice their character for the plot/action sequence.

Hell, the battle with Ripley 3 goes out to do battle on the shuttle does not make a lick of sense. She is running scared the entire time. Now? She is swinging from the ship on a harness doing battle and control a giant fucking claw. There is nothing leading in this. There is no, I can use a power loader, or her taking charge, or her picking up a gun, etc. It just Give me a gun, let me go fight this thing that's killed fucking everyone in a ridiculously stylish way with no lead up.

Presumably they were relying on scans alone for the original planet they were going to colonize, though, right?

Yes, they were scans with the probability of the highest chance of success. Not that it was a sure bet. Simply, it had the best chance. No one was ever there.

Till they scanned the new planet, which exceeded those estimates. Where it would be an even better choice.

It's not like it was unfounded why they went there. Daniels was doubtful, because it was way too good to be true. Versus the Billy who thought it's worth checking out.
 
I'm still not over them killing Newt and the other dude.

I'm still not over that one guy who I don't remember, but that one dude with half a face, ol half-his-face whats-his-name, that death cut me deep man. Still not over ol drippyhead marineman kicking rocks between movies. Total bullshit.
 

Opto

Banned
Ok I saw this movie and I don't know if this has been brought up in this thread, but one thing that bugged me severely and was hard for me to suspend my disbelief for, was that humanity would land on some new and unknown planet without fucking hazmat suits on or some kind of advanced version of one. I don't care how many scans and analysis were done, an unknown quantity is still and unknown quantity and humans are just not that stupid to do what the crew did here imo.

Also why would they think a planet covered in storms was great? Why didn't they send a fucking probe to collect air samples? Why did everyone go off alone after meeting David, despite a real threat lurking around?
 
So who should I sue for my $18 ? I don't remember the last time I shook my head so much in the theater​. What a dumb fucking movie. Way to take a giant steaming shit on the few things that were good about Prometheus.
 
Also why would they think a planet covered in storms was great? Why didn't they send a fucking probe to collect air samples? Why did everyone go off alone after meeting David, despite a real threat lurking around?

For all we know they could have collected air samples, but the air was showing as clean because there was no "pollen" around. That shit only got kicked up when they touched the alien fungus (of course they should have been wearing helmets, and waited a day or two for the storms to pass before touching down).

A quick scene of "we blah blah scanned the planet. No signs of life, but habitable for humans" would have done the trick.
 
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