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"Such a waste of great music in a subpar game" thread.

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Andrew Korenchkin said:
First off, since when was Chrono Cross a subpar game? I mean the soundtrack is in my top 10 (I'm soooo tempted to buy an imported version on CD, it's like 30 bucks), but the game subpar? I thought it was well received
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I mean, I hate that game so as far as Im concerned yeah, its subpar. Unfinished game that shits on its legacy along with a terrible combat system.
 
People mentioning Nier, Gravity Rush and Persona 5 are mad.

First games I thought of with regards to this:

Shadows of the Damned (decent game, don't get me wrong, but Yamaoka's music lifts the game up)
Max Payne 3 (see above, think it's just decent, soundtrack from the band Health is incredible though)
Glass Rose (rather mediocre point and click from Cing but with really nice music and weird and interesting story that is played up by the atmospheric piano/synth led music)
Star Ocean 5

I'm tempted to agree with vanilla Persona 3. The game was really weak until the revisions came along, easily the weakest SMT game I've played yet.
 
SENPAIatLARGE said:
GOTY contender is a bad game now? I can't even begin to comprehend an opinion this bad.
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I don't think any part of Persona 5's writing or gameplay is very good, so I think it's a pretty bad way to spend ~100 hours. Not sure how people having a different opinion from yours is hard to comprehend unless you have a very limited imagination.
 
Sai-kun said:
an awesome story, fun characters, great music, and interesting environments are still not enough to save P5 (and imo, the rest of the series) from being boring rock-paper-scissors (i think there's a better phrase for this) turn based RPGs.
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I'm not sure blaming a turn based RPG for being a turn based RPG is a particularly good critique.

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It's like saying an FPS sucks because you don't like First Person. It's... sort of part the genre.
 
yanipheonu said:
I'm not sure blaming a turn based RPG for being a turn based RPG is a particularly good critique.

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It's like saying an FPS sucks because you don't like First Person. It's... sort of part the genre.
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I don't think it's boring specifically because it's a turn based RPG. It's the way that it shapes and makes use those mechanics, and the dungeon-roaming mechanics, that make it not so fun. RPGs aren't my cup of tea to begin with, but P4G was...really bad when it came to gameplay imo
 
Sai-kun said:
I don't think it's boring specifically because it's a turn based RPG. It's the way that it shapes and makes use those mechanics, and the dungeon-roaming mechanics, that make it not so fun. RPGs aren't my cup of tea to begin with, but P4G was...really bad when it came to gameplay imo
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It honestly sounds like the genre isn't really for you, which is perfectly fine.

Might make it hard to make a good critique though. I don't like sports games, so I wouldn't feel comfortable making complaints against them for example.

There's always the problem that what you dislike is what people love about the genre.
 
Tonton said:
Also lol at people who can't accept people not liking their favorite games :^)
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I don't care if you don't like a game I love, but I can call you out if you don't know the meaning of the word "subpar" and you attach it to the name of a game you didn't enjoy.
 
I've encountered quite a few of these, actually. Some prime examples:

The first Adventure Time game on [3]DS
Guilty Gear Isuka (Not a fighting game player but those I know say this one's mediocre. Regardless, the hard metal soundtrack is fire.)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3: Mutant Nightmare (Full disclosure, I've never played this, just going off the 50s Metascore. Music is great though!)

While we're on the subject, I'll make a shameless semi-relevant plug for a VGM YouTube playlist available here that I curate with some others. There's mainstream stuff on there, but also plenty of hidden gems like these. You might find some great new tracks you've never heard before because they were attached to a bad/obscure game!
 
Opa-Pa said:
But not enjoying something and calling it subpar are very different things. You can play something that's clearly a great game and not have it click with you and still see its brilliance. A subpar game is a mediocre one, which often equals to bad.


... But the game and its story were basically an afterthought because Toby simply wanted to make a game around the battle system he had created inspired by SMT negotiations. And the game is extremely inventive and battles are very fun and hilarious regardless of how you approach them? It's fine to not like things, but c'mon. It even has super bosses which are great challenges while also being entertaining.

That's not even touching on the insane number of dialogue variants depending on your choices or the consequences these entail either, which is all game design too. Undertale is goddamn brilliant in every sense.



Jesus.
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I agree, but I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt that they genuinely believe the games are subpar and not well-made games that they couldn't get into.
 
PIMPBYBLUD said:
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The Fight- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIZoHawovmw&ytbChannel=Diomancheg
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Holy shit this song. Is it the battle theme? I don't know if there could be a game that could live up to this music.

Edit: To add something to the thread, PS2 Rygar had some really fantastic music. Game was a charming, but ultimately crappy God of War clone.
Rygar The Legendary Adventure - Labyrinthos Palace
The mixture of greek/latin/classical instrumentation in this track stands out in the whole OST.
 
Elman said:
Games Composed Primarily by Masashi Hamauzu, the Thread:

SaGa Frontier 2
Unlimited SaGa
Musashi: Samurai Legend
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy XIII, XIII-2, Lightning Returns

Typically, the worse the game, the better the soundtrack.
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jb1234 said:
This frustratingly describes a great deal of Hamauzu's projects. I wish he could find better games to work on.
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Like, for real, what the fuck happens with this guy? Is he really just that snakebitten or does he know how to pick 'em?

For god's sake I just wanna hear a Hamauzu-scored game that is actually a joy to play.
 
Halo 4. I don't think it was a case of the game being subpar, but I felt that the music - while great - didn't fit too well with Halo or at least was not implemented well throughout the campaign. Makes me wish 343i did a spiritual successor to Halo instead of trying to take on the series so they could get away with having a new direction better.
 
Ocarina of Time without a doubt, though Final Fantasy VII is also a strong contender. FF VI isn't far behind them, only reason I finished that miserable slog of a game was due to its OST. And all those beautiful melodies wasted on trash like Mario Galaxy 1 and 2... smh. The Mega Man series is pretty terrible too, and let's not even talk about the Donkey Kong Country games.





Serious answer: Dragon Ball Z Ultimate Battle 22 and Final Bout.
 
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