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US Air Force shot down a Syrian plane

What a fucking mess.

"Don't fuck with our proxy army (SDF [YPG])" - USA.

"We know after ISIS you'll send the SDF towards SAA, so pew pew to your proxies" - Syria / Russia / Iran

"Ohh yea? Fuck your pew pew, here's some PEW PEW back" - USA

This war will never end.
 

cameron

Member
The Independent: Russia vows to shoot down all 'flying objects' in Syria after US guns down first regime warplane
Russia has threatened to shoot down US warplanes operating in parts of Syria where its air forces operate amid a diplomatic row caused by the downing of a Syrian jet.

The country's defence ministry said it would also suspend a hotline between Russia and the US set up to prevent mid-air collisions.

The statement followed after a US F-18 Super Hornet shot down a Syrian army SU-22 jet on Sunday in the countryside near Raqqa.

Washington said the jet had dropped bombs near US-backed forces but Damascus said the plane was downed while flying a mission against Isis militants.

Russia's Defence Ministry said the suspension of its communication channel with the Americans would begin immediately.

The US did not use its communication channel with Russia ahead of the downing of the Syrian government warplane, the ministry was quoted as saying, accusing the US of a "deliberate failure to make good on its commitments" under the de-confliction deal.
America’s action on Monday was akin to "helping the terrorists that the US is fighting against”, Sergei Ryabkov, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister, said.


Other info via NYT: U.S. Fighter Jet Shoots Down Syrian Warplane
WASHINGTON — An American fighter jet shot down a Syrian warplane on Sunday after it dropped bombs near local ground forces supported by the United States, the first time the American military has downed a Syrian aircraft since the start of the civil war in 2011, officials said.

The confrontation represents a further escalation between forces supporting President Bashar al-Assad of Syria and the United States, which has been directing the military campaign in Syria and Iraq against the Islamic State.

The American F/A-18 shot down the Syrian government warplane south of the town of Tabqah, on the same day that Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps launched several midrange missiles from inside Iran at targets in Syria, hoping to punish Islamic State forces responsible for last week’s terrorist attacks in Tehran.

The Guards Corp said it “targeted the headquarters and meeting place and suicide car assembly line” of “ISIS terrorists” in the province of Deir al-Zour, where Islamic State forces surround an estimated 200,000 people in a government-held section of the provincial capital of the same name.


American officials said there appeared to be no direct connection between the two events, but they underscored the complexity of a region in which Syria, Russia, Turkey, Iran, Israel and the United States with its allies have carried out air or missiles strikes, albeit in pursuit of different and often competing objectives.
The confrontation in Syria on Sunday began around 4:30 p.m. local time, when American-backed ground Syrian fighters, who are officially called the Syrian Democratic Forces, came under attack by what the Pentagon described only as “pro-Syrian regime forces” and were forced from their positions in the town of Ja’Din, south of Tabqah. Several of the American-supported fighters were wounded.

The United States had airlifted hundred of Syrian fighters and their American military advisers near Tabqah in March in a generally successful push to cut off the western approaches to Raqqa.

To scare away the adversary forces, American warplanes buzzed the pro-Assad troops in what the Pentagon called a “show of force.” That appeared to put an end to the fighting, and the Americans sought to defuse the situation by calling their Russian counterparts from Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar.

But the Syrians were not finished. At 6:43 p.m., a Syrian SU-22 warplane dropped several bombs near the American-backed fighters. Attempts to warn the Syrian plane away from the area using an emergency radio frequency failed, said Col. John J. Thomas, the spokesman for the United States Central Command, which oversees American military operations in the Middle East.

An F/A-18 “Super Hornet,” which was patrolling the area after launching from the George H. W. Bush aircraft carrier, quickly shot down the Syrian plane. American advisers were not in the immediate vicinity of the bombing by the Syrian SU-22.

A statement by the American-led task force that is fighting the Islamic State stressed that it was taken under rules of engagement permitting the “collective self-defense” of its Syrian partners.
The United States has warned pro-Assad forces to stay out of a “deconfliction” zone it has declared around the garrison. The town of Ja’Din is little more than a mile north of this deconfliction area, but the United States has made it clear that the Syrian fighters it supports and the American and other allied advisers that accompany them are not limited to that buffer area.

After Sunday’s episode, the American-led task force said it was not seeking a confrontation with Mr. Assad or the Russian and Iranian forces or Shiite militias that are fighting to support the Syrian leader — but added that it would defend the Syrian fighters it has assembled to pursue the Islamic State.

“The coalition’s mission is to defeat ISIS in Iraq and Syria,” the official statement said. “The coalition does not seek to fight Syrian regime, Russian, or pro-regime forces partnered with them, but will not hesitate to defend coalition or partner forces from any threat.”
 
Well I'm glad we are killing the only group in the region who has any hope of even a half assed stability in the next decade.

/s

Honestly if we are destroying the Syrian Airforce actual soldiers from different sides will eventually out number civilians at some point and there won't be any populace or country to save at all. That means another 18ish million bodies+refugees.
 

Steel

Banned
Well I'm glad we are killing the only group in the region who has any hope of even a half assed stability in the next decade.

/s

Honestly if we are destroying the Syrian Airforce actual soldiers from different sides will eventually out number civilians at some point and there won't be any populace or country to save at all.

There's no way in hell that Assad ruling over the steaming carcass of what was once called Syria will have anything approaching "stability", half-assed or otherwise. Syria's fucked.
 
There's no way in hell that Assad ruling over the steaming carcass of what was once called Syria will have anything approaching "stability", half-assed or otherwise. Syria's fucked.

Your current (simplified) choices are:

Assad - Very Fucked
Literal Fucking ISIS - The Most Fucked
One of the US backed Muslim extremist groups that are basically ISIS lite - Somewhere in between very and the most fucked.
 

Steel

Banned
Your current (simplified) choices are:

Assad - Very Fucked
Literal Fucking ISIS - The Most Fucked
One of the US backed Muslim extremist groups that are basically ISIS lite - Somewhere in between very and the most fucked.

The U.S. backed groups range between a couple sane groups and... Well, terrorists. So it's really Russian Roulette on that front. Granted, Assad has done worse than those terrorists, so I'd still place those groups on a higher rung, but clearly in "Very Fucked" territory.

Remember, the reason we're here is because Assad thought it was a good idea to meet peaceful protests with mass slaughter and decided to keep up with it even if it leveled his country.
 

Kin5290

Member
The US backed Syrian Democratic Forces who are currently tightening the vice around Raqqa appear to be pretty solid. They are, however, mostly Kurds, so how much influence they'll have in Arab Syria should the Caliphate be toppled remains to be seen.

The SDF, of course, being the group that the Syrians bombed.
 
18 years since a US jet shot down another countries jet via air to air combat

On another note the SDF allied itself on certain occasions with Assad and even Russia.

Particularly to counter against Turkey's Euphrates Shield operation. Now that the operation is over it seems Russia and Assad have no more need for the SDF.
 

Reckheim

Member
What a fucking mess.

"Don't fuck with our proxy army (SDF [YPG])" - USA.

"We know after ISIS you'll send the SDF towards SAA, so pew pew to your proxies" - Syria / Russia / Iran

"Ohh yea? Fuck your pew pew, here's some PEW PEW back" - USA

This war will never end.

It will end the same way the Iraq war 'ended'.
 

Kin5290

Member
US continues to fight both sides of a civil war, what a complete mess
There is no "both sides" here. There are four sides in this civil war (the government, the rebels, the SDF, and ISIS), with different parties holding different priorities, three sides shooting at ISIS, some sides not shooting at other sides (at least, the SDF and the Syrian government weren't shooting at each other before today), and parties from outside the country shooting at whichever side they dislike the most (like how the Turks are nominally shooting at ISIS but have been bombing the Kurdish elements of the SDF).

This is some Game of Thrones/War of Roses shit.
 
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Time Travelin' Trump strikes again!
 
The U.S. backed groups range between a couple sane groups and... Well, terrorists. So it's really Russian Roulette on that front. Granted, Assad has done worse than those terrorists, so I'd still place those groups on a higher rung, but clearly in "Very Fucked" territory.

Remember, the reason we're here is because Assad thought it was a good idea to meet peaceful protests with mass slaughter and decided to keep up with it even if it leveled his country.

None of the US backed groups are even remotely sane past a few pieces of PR meant for western audiences.
 

Steel

Banned
None of the US backed groups are even remotely sane past a few pieces of PR meant for western audiences.

The SDF is nowhere near as bad as ISIS or Assad. They have problems, but nowhere near that scale. Assad's a lot closer to the ISIS side of the scale than the SDF is.

But, of course, we're arguing over varying levels of shit. Syria is utterly fucked is the bottomline. There's not enough country left for anything stable to come out of it.
 
Russia says it will treat US-led coalition planes in Syria, west of the Euphrates, as targets.

The escalation comes after the US shot down a Syrian jet that had been dropping bombs near US-backed fighter jets.

In a statement, the defence ministry said that starting today it will track all jets and drones from the coalition in the area.

And it has demanded a full account of why the US military shot down a Syrian SU-22 on Sunday.

A statement from US Central Command said that the plane was shot down because it dropped bombs on US-backed rebels from the Syrian Democratic Front, near Tabqa in north Syria.

Syria said that the Coalition had shot down one of its planes while it was on a combat mission against Islamic State fighters.

The US statement said that Coalition aircraft stopped a "pro-regime advance" toward an "SDF-controlled town".

"Following the Pro-Syrian forces attack, the Coalition contacted its Russian counterparts by telephone via an established 'de-confliction line' to de-escalate the situation.

"At 6.43pm, a Syrian regime SU-22 dropped bombs near SDF fighters south of Tabqa and, in accordance with rules of engagement and in collective self-defense of Coalition partnered forces, was immediately shot down by a US F/A-18E Super Hornet.

"The Coalition's mission is to defeat ISIS in Iraq and Syria."

http://news.sky.com/story/russia-wi...parts-of-syria-defence-ministry-says-10920332

edit: oops
 
The Russian threats are all bullshit.

They won't attack a US plane so long as they have Trump in office doing their bidding.

Russia is just trying to 1) assure Syria they stand behind them and 2) trying to make it look like they aren't really friends with Trump.

The LAST thing Russia wants to do is waste their influence over US politics with Trump in office.

If they shoot down a US plane, Trump has no choice but to cut all ties with Russia and even more sanctions will hammered down on them. All the Republicans with Russian interests and deals will be ruined. That's a lot of lost blackmail right there.

At most, Russia might Target a US drone so no serviceman are killed. Just to give it the appearance of a strong response.
 
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