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[VlaudTheImpaler]

No disagreement here at all.



No disagreement here either.



Don't disagree here as well.



This is where I disagree. I think we all should try to understand how things work rather than turn a blind eye to that. So many discussions happen simply because people don't take the time to understand or aren't willing to understand why things work. Ignorance is never good IMO, and it weakens the discourse on the subject. It's also contradictory to not want to understand why things are done, when you elaborated above why it's not so easy for Microsoft to simply offer a PS4 version with the update. By the same token, I should throw out and not consider all the things you said above, which I agree with, as to why it's not so easy for MS to put out an updated version.

Understanding why something happens doesn't mean that a person agrees or supports the action. The only way Sony will change is if there is a benefit to them to change course from their current action. I completely agree that if people want this, they need to stand up, make their voices heard, but there also needs to be action that follows up with that. Simply saying you want something isn't good enough unless it has some sort of effect that is going to make things worse for Sony. The best way to give them a reason to change course, in my opinion, is to start with understanding what is holding them to that stance and then to focus on action where they'll feel it. I already feel like the outrage has died down a lot since last week and Sony is just going to ride the storm.

Dude. All you know is what Sony gave as an excuse. Anything else is just a guess and bringing up guesses as to why it's in Sony's best interest is counterintuitive to actually getting something done about it by A. Raking Sony over the coals for the whole "think of the children" bit and B. Advocating for Cosplay.

If they want to give another reason as to why they don't want it then let them do it. Sony are big boys and can speak for themselves.

Anything else, frankly, is FUD.

 

[Alucardx23]

I don't feel it is Sony's responsibility to increase/inflate MS' player base for multiplayer games. If they want Sony to join in, MS should be paying Sony a fee for their subsidy to Xbox's player base. IF Xbox gamers can't find mp matches then they know what to do- go get the console that has the player base, it really is that simple. But overall I do agree and in favor of cross-play and that FOR CERTAIN games cross-play is needed and a must.

Honestly some of the post here really sound like payed Sony employees defending their interest and trying to bring confusion. Why is is so difficult to understand that not all gamers have friends with the same consoles that we do? Does it require a lot of imagination to think about a situation where you have a friend with an XBOX One and you have a PS4, but both would like to play COD o Battlefield together? I see that you do agree with Crossplay, but it's not something that makes sense for certain games, it makes sense for ALL of them. If you are a gamer like me don't waste your time defending Sony's decision of not supporting Crossplay, just because it might affect their bottom line.

 

[tzare]

They all require the Bedrock Engine which was tooled for cross-play. No cross-play, no bedrock update. See when Sony said they didn't want to be part of the update they chose that they would be on the 4J version of the game. Sony could have allowed their users to get the Bedrock version but since that version is made to work with all cross-play platforms going forward, non-cross-play versions get left behind.

Do you see where this was Sony's decision and they made the wrong one for the consumer?

I call that anti-consumer.


MS: "Hey Sony, we're cooking up a cool update to Minecraft. Here's what we want to do. Cross-Platform play, DLC, infinite worlds, graphics pack. Want in?

Sony: "No."

It was Sony's choice.

yes they designed this update knowing that Sony would accept the terms whatever those were. Because it has happened so many times before hasn't it
And don't get me wrong, they are free to do what they consider , but the same goes for Sony. They own psn and you can't go there and do what you want without negotiations.
So no this is not a beautiful world

 

[nekkid]

I don't feel it is Sony's responsibility to increase/inflate MS' player base for multiplayer games. If they want Sony to join in, MS should be paying Sony a fee for their subsidy to Xbox's player base. IF Xbox gamers can't find mp matches then they know what to do- go get the console that has the player base, it really is that simple. But overall I do agree and in favor of cross-play and that FOR CERTAIN games cross-play is needed and a must.

Is this real life? MS should pay Sony for the privilege of supplying a fully-functional game that is already confirmed for 5 platforms?

 

[Marty Chinn]

Dude. All you know is what Sony gave as an excuse. Anything else is just a guess and bringing up guesses as to why it's in Sony's best interest is counterintuitive to actually getting something done about it by A. Raking Sony over the coals for the whole "think of the children" bit and B. Advocating for Cosplay.

If they want to give another reason as to why they don't want it then let them do it. Sony are big boys and can speak for themselves.

Anything else, frankly, is FUD.

Come on, there's plenty to go on here if you use some critical thinking, logic, understanding of business, extrapolating on current known quantities, using past behavior, and simple common sense to rule out some things, while weighing the likelihood of others. Using those things is how we come to the conclusion that their excuse is bullshit in the first place.

 

[nekkid]

Come on, there's plenty to go on here if you use some critical thinking, logic, understanding of business, extrapolating on current known quantities, using past behavior, and simple common sense to rule out some things, while weighing the likelihood of others. Using those things is how we come to the conclusion that their excuse is bullshit in the first place.

It's pretty indefensible as it is, but what I don't get is that people are still defending the decision while admitting that their excuse is bullshit. They're defending a company that they themselves deem to be lying.

 

[terrier]

Is this real life? MS should pay Sony for the privilege of supplying a fully-functional game that is already confirmed for 5 platforms?

No.
But real life is business. And MS must reach some kind of agreement with the platform holder and owner of the network, so both parts feel comfortable , not force them. This is what has happened so far, our terms or bust.
Or you are pretending MS is doing this without further intentions? Just 4theplayers too....

people are still defending the decision while admitting that their excuse is bullshit

people defend or understand sony's position on this matter, but not necessarily agree with that stupid PR comment about protecting children or whatever it was.

 

[nekkid]

No.
But real life is business. And MS must reach some kind of agreement with the platform holder and owner of the network, so both parts feel comfortable , not force them. This is what has happened so far, our terms or bust.

Must they?

 

[Gestault]

No.
But real life is business. And MS must reach some kind of agreement with the platform holder and owner of the network, so both parts feel comfortable , not force them. This is what has happened so far, our terms or bust.
Or you are pretending MS is doing this without further intentions? Just 4theplayers too....

Who's being forced? Sweeney's point is that it's better for the industry to support cross-play features. It's exactly in line with what devs have been saying on an ongoing basis. Now that the tech and infrastructure is in place so that the only barrier comes from policies, Sony's decision is just blocking what devs/publishers want to do, and what customers want.

 

[terrier]

Must they?

Yes.
WOuld'n't third parties need to agree with MS terms and conditions, or if want to go further talk and reach an agreement with MS before trying to implement their own rules and terms for XBOX games and the ones using XBL?
This isn't an opensource free online service. IT is a business that has many implications.
For example, if all the Minecraft stuff is now common, why not enable crosbuy by default? You buy minecraft and can play it in any platform you own. Not doing that is anticonsumer?

Who's being forced? Sweeney's point is that it's better for the industry to support cross-play features.

Well, MS has their 'plan' with Minecraft, since SOny do not agree with MS terms, PS4 version is left aside. MS could accept sony's terms and find a woirkaround for sure, they are quite capable with software. SO this is not an impossible thing (sony could also accept MS terms for sure, that is why i think this needs an agreemenmt after negotiations.

And if it is better for the industry, i agree, then the industry must define how, with everyone involved. Here we can see two relevant players, the leader in console market, vs the owner of a huge IP

 

[Crayon]

Come on, there's plenty to go on here if you use some critical thinking, logic, understanding of business, extrapolating on current known quantities, using past behavior, and simple common sense to rule out some things, while weighing the likelihood of others. Using those things is how we come to the conclusion that their excuse is bullshit in the first place.

Marty has maintained a sensible approach to this since the beginning.

Sony considers the network effect of their userbase a big competitive advantage. Big enough to short their own users in order to maintain it. It would take a whole lot of noise to get them to relinquish that overnite. That's the fact of the matter.

They will yeild on Xbox cross play when such a time that it becomes a widely marketable feature, or they are no longer on top.

 

[HarryKS]

Honestly, what does 'no crossplay' change?

Not much.

 

[VincentMatts]

https://twitter.com/timsweeneyepic/status/877333547408818177

Tim Sweeney is rather happy at the crossplay of announcement of Rocket League on Nintendo Switch, and he too thinks crossplay is beneficial to all platforms.

Glad to see another industry big name hoping cross-platform play should be a thing

I love how he acknowledges nintendo as if MS and sony havent done this a lot sooner.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Come on, there's plenty to go on here if you use some critical thinking, logic, understanding of business, extrapolating on current known quantities, using past behavior, and simple common sense to rule out some things, while weighing the likelihood of others. Using those things is how we come to the conclusion that their excuse is bullshit in the first place.

No. They may actually think that way. You don't know. Consumers can only hold companies responsible for the things they say and do. If you think those things are BS because of "critical thinking" or just because it's not a satisfactory answer for you and not what you want then lobby for a real answer and for what you want.

Making excuses for them is going against your best interests because you really have no clue what they would and wouldn't be willing to do at a certain point in demand or any of many other factors... Besides what they have already told you.

 

[Crayon]

Honestly, what does 'no crossplay' change?

Not much.

Once it's common enough, it will be as highly demanded as anything else. It's a great feature. Being able to play sfv with PC players has been amazing. Definitely something I would want for every mp game.

 

[terrier]

Once it's common enough, it will be as highly demanded as anything else. It's a great feature. Being able to play sfv with PC players has been amazing. Definitely something I would want for every mp game.

But this has been happening with PLaystation hasn't it? Unless i am mistaken and SFV is on other consoles. So obviously sony does it. Now, everyone, platform holders, publishers, developers, sit and find a solution that is good for both the industry and the players.

 

[justsomeguy]

Honestly, what does 'no crossplay' change?

Not much.

I've been pondering this for a couple of days.

crossplay is good for mp games where the game, or certain game modes, struggle for population.

It means less queueing time and a longer shelf life for the game.

Ultimately that benefits both publishers and consumers.

 

[ScientificPizza]

Come on, there's plenty to go on here if you use some critical thinking, logic, understanding of business, extrapolating on current known quantities, using past behavior, and simple common sense to rule out some things, while weighing the likelihood of others. Using those things is how we come to the conclusion that their excuse is bullshit in the first place.

Why are you in every crossplay thread being all like "but think of the business!"?

 

[phanphare]

I've been pondering this for a couple of days.

crossplay is good for mp games where the game, or certain game modes, struggle for population.

It means less queueing time and a longer shelf life for the game.

Ultimately that benefits both publishers and consumers.

even for games with a healthy player base it'd still help because you'd have more people of a certain skill level to be matched up with

honestly there are only benefits for gamers

 

[Crayon]

But this has been happening with PLaystation hasn't it? Unless i am mistaken and SFV is on other consoles. So obviously sony does it. Now, everyone, platform holders, publishers, developers, sit and find a solution that is good for both the industry and the players.

At this point, I think the pressure is going to start from developers and publishers. They have a lot to gain from cross play becoming more common. The motive is there, they just need to make it more marketable and Sony and any other potential holdouts would eventually have to react by ceding their perceived advantage in order to provide what a growing number of business partners and users want. That's the solution and it could occur organically.

 

[cm osi]

Once it's common enough, it will be as highly demanded as anything else. It's a great feature. Being able to play sfv with PC players has been amazing. Definitely something I would want for every mp game.

honestly asking since i don't know, it is noticeable the advantage they have for the shorter inputlag?

 

[mugoldeneagle03]

Fresh off my recent ban I missed out on this whole thing and all I have to say is:

1) Sony doesn't need to do shit, especially if you need to log in using Xbox Live. I don't care if MS wouldn't be charging Sony a dime, if you allow your users to even create something as simple as a (free) XBL account, that's 1 tiny push in a direction of choosing Xbox down the line, even if it's a half second long thought while your in a store deciding between buying a XB1X or a PS5.

2) Nintendo is DESPERATE to get:
A) Good Press
B) PS/XB owners on their console any way they can.

..Pretty easy to understand Nintendo's angle in all of this...

The line between which console to purchase is so small as it is, you're just blurring them even more having cross compatibility for a title like Minecraft. Clearly this generation is all about "UNLIMITED POWAH" and with Sony in the lead they have zero reasons to do anything to even hint at the competition. Arrogant, but true.

And honestly what amount of Sony's users play Minecraft regularly? I imagine it's close to last place in terms of install base compared to PC/XBX. Although they probably beat out Wii U #'s...

Idk. It sucks, but it's not the end of the world and I don't blame Sony. If you're a PS4 owner with all of your friends on different consoles I can maybe see being pissed about having to spend money on a new game, even if it's like $15 (no idea how much Minecraft is these days but I imagine its cheap)

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

If devs start implementing a Cosplay codebase like Minecraft it would also save devs lot's of resources by only having to push one update to their game across all platforms. This would also be nice for the playerbase getting updates at the same time so no one is left behind.

 

[Shrennin]

This is where I disagree. I think we all should try to understand how things work rather than turn a blind eye to that. So many discussions happen simply because people don't take the time to understand or aren't willing to understand why things work. Ignorance is never good IMO, and it weakens the discourse on the subject. It's also contradictory to not want to understand why things are done, when you elaborated above why it's not so easy for Microsoft to simply offer a PS4 version with the update. By the same token, I should throw out and not consider all the things you said above, which I agree with, as to why it's not so easy for MS to put out an updated version.

Understanding why something happens doesn't mean that a person agrees or supports the action. The only way Sony will change is if there is a benefit to them to change course from their current action. I completely agree that if people want this, they need to stand up, make their voices heard, but there also needs to be action that follows up with that. Simply saying you want something isn't good enough unless it has some sort of effect that is going to make things worse for Sony. The best way to give them a reason to change course, in my opinion, is to start with understanding what is holding them to that stance and then to focus on action where they'll feel it. I already feel like the outrage has died down a lot since last week and Sony is just going to ride the storm.

I've understood why they haven't done it since the beginning. The thing is that it doesn't matter. The only way Sony will change is if enough noise is made about it, and Sony thinks it may hurt them if they don't adopt. They have refused the most simple of cross play with Rocket League and the more complex cross play with Minecraft.

No.
But real life is business. And MS must reach some kind of agreement with the platform holder and owner of the network, so both parts feel comfortable , not force them. This is what has happened so far, our terms or bust.
Or you are pretending MS is doing this without further intentions? Just 4theplayers too....
people defend or understand sony's position on this matter, but not necessarily agree with that stupid PR comment about protecting children or whatever it was.

Again, Microsoft offered Sony the Bedrock update (which Nintendo, Apple, and Google all found acceptable with their networks) and Sony refused. It's as simple as that. Microsoft can't do much more. It's like criticizing a developer for a platform holder's crappy policy. Oh, and Psyonix already has the most simple form of cross play and Sony refuses. It's clear that there are no terms in which Sony will agree until they are forced to because it affects their business.

 

[Crayon]

honestly asking since i don't know, it is noticeable the advantage they have for the shorter inputlag?

Not to me. Sfv has a relatively lazy input buffer for a SF game. Of course, at my low level of play, worrying about the delay would be splitting hairs. Almost every match I lose has it's critical points based in my strategy and decision making and is seldom a technical thing.

 

[justsomeguy]

If devs start implementing a Cosplay codebase like Minecraft it would also save devs lot's of resources by only having to push one update to their game across all platforms. This would also be nice for the playerbase getting updates at the same time so no one is left behind.

Cosplay codebase would be a sight to behold.

Also it wouldn't save time, still have to publish to every store/platform, have platform-specific code and builds, etc. If their devops pipeline is half decent then it won't make a huge difference on that front.

 

[terrier]

At this point, I think the pressure is going to start from developers and publishers. They have a lot to gain from cross play becoming more common. The motive is there, they just need to make it more marketable and Sony and any other potential holdouts would eventually have to react by ceding their perceived advantage in order to provide what a growing number of business partners and users want. That's the solution and it could occur organically.

exactly. That is the way, third parties, force platform holders, to find a meeting point, obviously they will have to concede something to platform holders too, since they usually put the effor t designing hardware or network environment.
And also make it hapenn decently, allowing for advanced features like chat, rankings or whatever is needed, not just blind feature-less matchmaking.

Again, Microsoft offered Sony the Bedrock update (which Nintendo, Apple, and Google all found acceptable with their networks) and Sony refused. It's as simple as that. Microsoft can't do much more. It's like criticizing a developer for a platform holder's crappy policy. Oh, and Psyonix already has the most simple form of cross play and Sony refuses. It's clear that there are no terms in which Sony will agree until they are forced to because it affects their business

You are comparing Nintendo that is coming from the WiiU , and like MS are way behind sony in the console space, so both gain from crossplatform, and two mobile OS that are not only focused in games and movies, but a lot of other services and amuch bigger market. C'mon.....
And as for Rocket league.... the problem in the end is the same, or hasn't it been possible to play Playstation vs PC? The problem here is rival networks and what that means for the future of the platform, considering today online is huge. Seems quite easy to understand, even if do not agree with sony's stance.

Oh, not to mention that this has benn a no issue so far, and only less popular games would really see benefits since userbase would increase (from a gamer pov)

 

[justsomeguy]

even for games with a healthy player base it'd still help because you'd have more people of a certain skill level to be matched up with

honestly there are only benefits for gamers

Yes true enough - hadn't even considered that.

 

[killer rin]

Fresh off my recent ban I missed out on this whole thing and all I have to say is:

1) Sony doesn't need to do shit, especially if you need to log in using Xbox Live. I don't care if MS wouldn't be charging Sony a dime, if you allow your users to even create something as simple as a (free) XBL account, that's 1 tiny push in a direction of choosing Xbox down the line, even if it's a half second long thought while your in a store deciding between buying a XB1X or a PS5.

2) Nintendo is DESPERATE to get:
A) Good Press
B) PS/XB owners on their console any way they can.

..Pretty easy to understand Nintendo's angle in all of this...

The line between which console to purchase is so small as it is, you're just blurring them even more having cross compatibility for a title like Minecraft. Clearly this generation is all about "UNLIMITED POWAH" and with Sony in the lead they have zero reasons to do anything to even hint at the competition. Arrogant, but true.

And honestly what amount of Sony's users play Minecraft regularly? I imagine it's close to last place in terms of install base compared to PC/XBX. Although they probably beat out Wii U #'s...

Idk. It sucks, but it's not the end of the world and I don't blame Sony. If you're a PS4 owner with all of your friends on different consoles I can maybe see being pissed about having to spend money on a new game, even if it's like $15 (no idea how much Minecraft is these days but I imagine its cheap)

Oh boy, not this again.

Please, do explain why Rocket League, a third party game which doesn't require you to log into Xbox Live for Cross Platform Play can't go cross platform then. Keep in mind the developers themselves have said that they have already written the code to allow full cross-play between every platform and all they need to do is upload it to their servers and have it up and running within hours and are only waiting on Sony's approval. Also keep in mind that it is cross platform between Xbox/Switch/Steam.

Additionally, please explain what the difference is between Microsoft requiring a Microsoft Account and Ubisoft and EA requiring you to login to Uplay and Origin, and Valve games last generation into Steam.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Cosplay codebase would be a sight to behold.

Also it wouldn't save time, still have to publish to every store/platform, have platform-specific code and builds, etc. If their devops pipeline is half decent then it won't make a huge difference on that front.

But I'm talking about updates and long term support not initial development. Minecraft with the new bedrock codebase update is already doing this.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Honestly, what does 'no crossplay' change?

Not much.

I've been pondering this for a couple of days.

crossplay is good for mp games where the game, or certain game modes, struggle for population.

It means less queueing time and a longer shelf life for the game.

Ultimately that benefits both publishers and consumers.

Honestly, I feel that dedicated servers as standard for PSN MP would impact gamers' online experience with PSN significantly more than cross-play.

Feels weird that cross-play is the hill we're all choosing to die on, as opposed to something like dedicated servers that we both would have a greater chance at getting (since we're now paying for PSN) and would directly improve our online experience far more dramatically.

 

[CookTrain]

Honestly, I feel that dedicated servers as standard for PSN MP would impact gamers' online experience with PSN significantly more than cross-play.

Feels weird that cross-play is the hill we're all choosing to die on, as opposed to something like dedicated servers that we both would have a greater chance at getting (since we're now paying for PSN) and would directly improve our online experience far more dramatically.

Sony could do full servers any time they please, it's a very different topic to cross-platform collaboration. They don't need to pitch in with anyone else for that, so it's not really relevant.

 

[Hilbert]

Honestly, I feel that dedicated servers as standard for PSN MP would impact gamers' online experience with PSN significantly more than cross-play.

Feels weird that cross-play is the hill we're all choosing to die on, as opposed to something like dedicated servers that we both would have a greater chance at getting (since we're now paying for PSN) and would directly improve our online experience far more dramatically.

Who is dying on a hill?

Also to implement crossplay dedicated servers are the obvious implementation, so you would get what you want out of it.

 

[Shrennin]

Honestly, I feel that dedicated servers as standard for PSN MP would impact gamers' online experience with PSN significantly more than cross-play.

Feels weird that cross-play is the hill we're all choosing to die on, as opposed to something like dedicated servers that we both would have a greater chance at getting (since we're now paying for PSN) and would directly improve our online experience far more dramatically.

You gotta start somewhere and cross play would mean that all three platform holders would have to make sure their network is the best. It would make them competitive in ways they aren't even now (as well as increase the importance of first party exclusives).

 

[mugoldeneagle03]

Oh boy, not this again.

Please, do explain why Rocket League, a third party game which doesn't require you to log into Xbox Live for Cross Platform Play can't go cross platform then. Keep in mind the developers themselves have said that they have already written the code to allow full cross-play between every platform and all they need to do is upload it to their servers and have it up and running within hours and are only waiting on Sony's approval. Also keep in mind that it is cross platform between Xbox/Switch/Steam.

Okay how's this for a scenario to understand:

-Rocket League launches exclusively on PS4 to mass success (which it did)
-Rocket League was FREE on PS+, which was a mass success (which it was)
-Rocket League's #'s are probably a lot higher on PS4 than Xbox (which is likely)

Right? Okay so now Sony makes it cross compatible with every platform, its awesome, you can play with friends on a different console, ground breaking.

-Does this hurt exclusivity deals in the future for Rocket League 2? (Probably)
-Does this hurt PS+ sales if Dev's force a same day launch across all consoles? (Probably)
-Does this hurt the chance of possible future "Console Exclusive" items or maps for Rocket League 2 on Playstation? (Probably)

Alright so yes, as a BUSINESS, it is not lucrative for Sony at all. Especially when the backlash this is getting right now is 10 times smaller than the shit they'll get if ANY of the Big 3 get exclusive items if there's cross compatibility.

Like, I really do understand the point that gamers are the one suffering from this, and hell if I'm right and cross-compatibility ENDS timed exclusivity bullshit then we gain even more in our favor.

But Sony is a business, they really do not give a shit about GAMERS coming out on top...

It's really that simple. Future business opportunities.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Who is dying on a hill?

Also to implement crossplay dedicated servers are the obvious implementation, so you would get what you want out of it.

So does this therefore imply that for cross-play to become ubiquitous, all games need to move towards dedicated servers?

 

[stan423321]

Cross-play benefits all, but it does benefit the current losers more than current winners. This is exactly why it doesn't make sense for Sony to allow it with other consoles. With PS4 Pro out, they don't mind PC cross-play, because, especially in case of smaller titles, PC users benefitting does not hurt them as much.

 

[Trup1aya]

I don't feel it is Sony's responsibility to increase/inflate MS' player base for multiplayer games. If they want Sony to join in, MS should be paying Sony a fee for their subsidy to Xbox's player base. IF Xbox gamers can't find mp matches then they know what to do- go get the console that has the player base, it really is that simple. But overall I do agree and in favor of cross-play and that FOR CERTAIN games cross-play is needed and a must.

Joke post right?

None of the games in question are hurting for population on Xbox. Especially not minecraft. Both RL and Minecraft are top 10 on Xbl. And minecraft has pc and Mobile players in the pool as well.

 

[Crayon]

Is the non-win10 version of Minecraft getting the update?

 

[TharpDaddy]

Don't know why people keep posting the rationale for Sony not wanting to do cross-play, as if that's the discussion. We understand the rationale, that has never been the question. I'm not Sony, I don't give a damn what their rationale is, I can understand why they do something and express as a consumer that I don't want them to do it. I know why Microsoft forced Windows 10 on people but that doesn't mean i'm okay with it, I was more than happy to express my displeasure even when I understood why they did it. Unless Sony gives you a paycheck you should advocate for what is best for you and not what is best for Sony.

I would not get Rocket League for Switch if it didn't have cross play. With Cross Play, I would get it, because I could play a mobile Rocket League with my friends, who are predominantly on X1 or PS4 (I'm the only one with a Switch).

I kinda doubt it will but I hope Player Unknown Battlegrounds supports cross play on X1 -> PC. My friends play that on PC but I don't have a computer that can really play games. I will definitely buy PUGB if it's cross-play enabled, if not, I probably won't (have no interest playing alone)

That's where i'm at with Minecraft Switch. I would never buy it otherwise, there's 0% chance i'd ever play Minecraft alone on it, but the fact that I could play with all my friends who have other version of the game is a massive, massive selling point to me. When I travel I can pull out my Switch and still play with my friends who are playing on their phone, or on their Xbox, or whatever other platform they're playing on.

 

[Trup1aya]

yes they designed this update knowing that Sony would accept the terms whatever those were. Because it has happened so many times before hasn't it
And don't get me wrong, they are free to do what they consider , but the same goes for Sony. They own psn and you can't go there and do what you want without negotiations.
So no this is not a beautiful world

So we are gonna pretend that MS' terms are at the center of the issue when we know of at least 3 other games that have been denied CP, by Sony, despite not being developed by MS.

Ok

 

[TharpDaddy]

So we are gonna pretend that MS' terms are at the center of the issue when we know of at least 3 other games that have been denied CP despite not being developed by MS.

Ok

I also find it implausible that could be terms in the Minecraft deal that an incredibly brand-focused company like Apple would be okay with but not Sony. If there anything in the terms that even smelled like it could be a threat to Apple's walled garden they would have rejected the update. The fact that Apple was okay with it makes me certain that this is purely on Sony.

 

[Lothars]

People are rightly wary of Sony's online infrastructure now because of their history of hacks(from anything to individual customers accounts being hacked, to the huge hack years ago), i think that's more in line of what your saying.

So saying something without proof is okay? Yes there was a big hack and yes that's on Sony but there's absolutely no proof that it is anything on Sony for the individual hacks on some accounts that is anything to do with Sony. In fact it's likely that it's not and to say it is without providing proof is bullshit.

I think Sony absolutely should allow crossplay with all the other games and I hope they do because losing the features on minecraft is a huge negative for the game on PS4. Crossplay is an outstanding feature to have.

 

[Liliana Eileen]

I don't feel it is Sony's responsibility to increase/inflate MS' player base for multiplayer games. If they want Sony to join in, MS should be paying Sony a fee for their subsidy to Xbox's player base. IF Xbox gamers can't find mp matches then they know what to do- go get the console that has the player base, it really is that simple

Sounds like a N4G/Gamefaqs post. Disgusting.

 

[Trup1aya]

I also find it implausible that could be terms in the Minecraft deal that an incredibly brand-focused company like Apple would be okay with but not Sony. If there anything in the terms that even smelled like it could be a threat to Apple's walled garden they would have rejected the update. The fact that Apple was okay with it makes me certain that this is purely on Sony.

It's crazy

Sony pretty much confirmed it was all on them, yet people are steady trying to concoct a scenario where Blame should be shared.

The fact that gamers are here deflecting on behalf of Sony is sad and humorous at the same time.

1) No MS shouldn't have to license a third party to run their servers so that Sony PSN users can avoid xbl.
2) the above doesn't even make sense, because Sony is also blocking 3rd party servers from crossplay with consoles
3) no MS majong shouldn't divert extra attention and resources towards giving the PS4 edition of minecraft the BT feature set in response to Sony's rejection.

 

[pureplayin2]

My god people, I was just throwing an idea out there as to why an industry leader shouldn't be helping out its competitor because it really is Sony throwing a bone to MS and nothing more. What I said in no way makes me sound like a paid fucking shill and that is all I'm gonna say to that otherwise I might say something stupid and get myself banned from this great diverse community since I am a junior currently. Was just testing an idea that I've heard from multiple groups of gamers and wanted to see how it would be handled- sorry!!!

You guys all preach and scream competition blah blah blah, but now you all want to eliminate some of that competition and I get it. I am a gamer and want what is good for the industry and I want 100% for all games to be crossplay because at the end of the day, I don't care about MS or Sony, I do care about the developers because they are what makes this industry. A stronger community for them means more money and more games. Sorry I wasn't able to explain or defend my post earlier.

 

[Uno Venova]

It really must be exhausting having the same thread over and over with the same people over and over.

 

[Trup1aya]

My god people, I was just throwing an idea out there as to why an industry leader shouldn't be helping out its competitor because it really is Sony throwing a bone to MS and nothing more. What I said in no way makes me sound like a paid fucking shill and that is all I'm gonna say to that otherwise I might say something stupid and get myself banned from this great diverse community since I am a junior currently. Was just testing an idea that I've heard from multiple groups of gamers and wanted to see how it would be handled- sorry!!!

You guys all preach and scream competition blah blah blah, but now you all want to eliminate some of that competition and I get it. I am a gamer and want what is good for the industry and I want 100% for all games to be crossplay because at the end of the day, I don't care about MS or Sony, I do care about the developers because they are what makes this industry. A stronger community for them means more money and more games. Sorry I wasn't able to explain or defend my post earlier.

It's really not throwing MS a bone... MS' populations in all of these games are beyond healthy and they were so even before crossplay was enabled.

It WOULD be throwing a own to developers, by lengthening staying power. This would benefit Sony and every other platform holder as well.

 

[Orayn]

No.
But real life is business. And MS must reach some kind of agreement with the platform holder and owner of the network, so both parts feel comfortable , not force them. This is what has happened so far, our terms or bust.
Or you are pretending MS is doing this without further intentions? Just 4theplayers too....
people defend or understand sony's position on this matter, but not necessarily agree with that stupid PR comment about protecting children or whatever it was.

Microsoft's recent actions actually could be construed as "for the players" because it offers more value and functionality to their own customers as well as people on other platforms.

Sony is doing backflips to avoid offering similar value to their audience. They are defending a deliberate decision to give people less.

 

[Inuhanyou]

So saying something without proof is okay? Yes there was a big hack and yes that's on Sony but there's absolutely no proof that it is anything on Sony for the individual hacks on some accounts that is anything to do with Sony. In fact it's likely that it's not and to say it is without providing proof is bullshit.

I think Sony absolutely should allow crossplay with all the other games and I hope they do because losing the features on minecraft is a huge negative for the game on PS4. Crossplay is an outstanding feature to have.

I don't care about the crossplay debate myself, but its obvious why Sony won't do it. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with whether or not it should happen, but they do have their own reason.

I mean, there would be literally no other reason for them to hold out if they were not acting like a typical corporation protecting their own mindshare at the cost of their users.

As for the individual PSN hacks, the fact of the matter is that outside of the FIFA hacks, we never hear about XBL members individually being hacked. On here, PSN customers are being hacked every other week which basically says to me that its something having to do with PSN

Microsoft's recent actions actually could be construed as "for the players" because it offers more value and functionality to their own customers as well as people on other platforms.

Sony is doing backflips to avoid offering similar value to their audience. They are defending a deliberate decision to give people less.

Well they are not taking anything away, just not offering something more like what MS is. I think that's a fundamental difference. People who don't care about this don't care because its not something they've ever bothered with, and would never have known about had MS not decided to go in on it for their own reasons.

Its like 4KBR. MS gives people one in the XB1S, but unless you were specifically looking for a 4KBR player, its not really a killer feature.

If it was something like DRM where MS were intent on changing up the rules of ownership, that gets people off their asses.