Just got my letter yesterday from Cox Communications that they are now enforcing our data caps... lol... bastards.
1 TB not too bad but I risk running over occasionally
Well your ISP is certainly living up to their name..
Yeah, that makes total sense for anyone outside ... oh wait, no it doesn't. The Data Caps in America could really hurt adoption of this, especially for people with multiple Netflix, PC, and console users. 100gb for assets for one game is 10% of the average data cap here. Sorry you want it to be so black and white, but it's not and you just sound like a dick. This is the same as "You don't want to connect your console to the internet? Buy an Xbox 360". It's pointless, it doesn't add to the discussion at all. What are you trying to prove here? That you don't understand the problem? Because that's kind of obvious.
I just don't understand the last 2 pages of discussion, really.
My opinion:
If somebody don't like that Xbox One X enhanced games will come with an extra (huge) download of high quality assets (we should stop to call them 4K assets) to make the game look much better in 4K or 1080p by downsampling than just don't consider to buy the console in the first place.
It is as simple as this.
The huge download is for 4K assets... not the base game...
Well your ISP is certainly living up to their name..
The fact that Halo on xbox is already 100gb tells me that there probably will be a 200gb games not so far down the line.
Until the base game gets too big.
Yeah, that makes total sense for anyone outside ... oh wait, no it doesn't. The Data Caps in America could really hurt adoption of this, especially for people with multiple Netflix, PC, and console users. 100gb for assets for one game is 10% of the average data cap here. Sorry you want it to be so black and white, but it's not and you just sound like a dick. This is the same as "You don't want to connect your console to the internet? Buy an Xbox 360". It's pointless, it doesn't add to the discussion at all. What are you trying to prove here? That you don't understand the problem? Because that's kind of obvious.
The fact that Halo on xbox is already 100gb tells me that there probably will be a 200gb games not so far down the line.
People have the right to do what they want. But boycotting a game because the developer provided an option to make it better doesn't send the message you suggest.
The game is optionally big. The Boycott would tell them they were better off not providing the option.
You might not. And that's a reasonable decision too.
But like I said, modern games aren't their size by magic. They could usually be smaller without losing content. But there is currently no real reason for publishers to worry about that.
For me personally, it doesn't really matter at all. I won't base my buying decisions on file sizes. My internet is great and uncapped. But that's my situation.
We know how large HQ asset packs are on PC. AAA games would inevitably be larger than 50Gigs.
When voting with the wallet, one has to be careful with the message actually being sent.
So i the consumer, who enjoys playing Forza, am suddenly going to skip out on Forza altogether because in an attempt to improve Forza visuals for a niche audience, the publisher will require that niche audience to download the improved assets. Literally punishing a good deed.
The message would be not that a second disc should be included, but that enabling for 4K for some user has devalued the offering altogether, which I'm sure isn't a sentiment that gamers actually feel.
Beyond that, you'd be hard pressed to find a tech company that hasn't spent tons lobbying for better net laws. No sense in punishing them content providers, when ISPs are the actual problem.
But what about future patches? Take a look at Final Fantasy 15. This game came on a disc but I already downloaded several gb because of many patches that added content to the game. When should they release the patch disc? In a year when most of the sales have already happened and where the audience which would like to buy the patch disc is so small you can send the patch disc to these five people personally?
There is no reasonable business model for this. I'm sorry, I know it sucks.
Those discs has to be free or there will be a huge PR backlash.
To win over customers they simply need to have a second disc in the box, labeled "Xbox One X Content".
Anyhow, considering where we've been heading the last 5-10 years or so when it comes to the use of patches and internet for gaming in general I can't see how this movement has gone under the radar for the concerned for so long. 50GB might be a record but games gets patches left and right, online gaming is super popular, there are huge day 1 patches, big updates that fix broken games, performance fixes, stability updates, games only have digital releases, indie games, Steam popularity etc etc.
If you have crappy internet connection you're already living the hell the concerned people talk about and have been doing so for years. This is all old news for the affected. It's getting worse every year.
The boycott would, for me personally, be more of a MS aren't offering me a disc version of this content and I want to pay MS money for a disc. I have, arguably foolishly, sat out this generation because I've been waiting to see if goty editions and complete versions will come to patch the games that are increasingly shipped half complete. The 4K assets are just the next level of this.
BTW: thank you for your reasoned discussion with Matt over the last pages.
Thank you for your responses and empathy. It's not like I know my efforts are largely futile but I appreciate that you see it's my perogatice to assert them.
Based on how Phil Spencer portrays his thinking. A Forza fan like myself not buying the box will hopefully tell him he needs to be receptive to something isn't being provided to a potential customer. Maybe he'll follow that receptiveness to open a dialog about how physical media might be the end desire, not removal of 4K content.
Lol that is a bad anology, lots and lots of people buy sport cars only to drive slowly around the city to show off or to break the law by driving faster than the speed limit or to race between the traffic lights. Same thing with bikes. Autobahn is a luxury not many have or need but sports cars are still sold all over the world.That is the reason why I said depending on the situation you are why even consider to buy a Xbox One X if there are such limitations? If I wouldn't have a good internet I would still buy disks instead of being 100% digital this generation and I wouldn't consider to buy a Xbox One X because of that. To use an analogy here, I would never buy a sports car in the US as you can't drive them to their fullest speed on the streets because of the general speed limit. But I have one because I live in Germany where I can drive it to its speed limit on the "Autobahn".
Lol that is a bad anology, lots and lots of people buy sport cars only to drive slowly around the city to show off or to break the law by driving faster than the speed limit or to race between the traffic lights. Same thing with bikes. Autobahn is a luxury not many have or need but sports cars are still sold all over the world.
What if they added visuals settings? (which I've been asking for since forever)
Then there could be a point to strip away lots of visually demanding stuff if you'd want to try hit 60fps instead of having pretty graphics. When you flick the 4K assets option on there could be a warning "This will download 50GB of extra data. Are you sure you want to continue? Press A for YES or B for NO."