I think that establishing some sort of framework that would allow the investigation to continue in some form is probably one of the first things they did.
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Trumps lawyers seek to undercut Muellers Russia investigation
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I think that establishing some sort of framework that would allow the investigation to continue in some form is probably one of the first things they did.
Well, they obviously didn't do a good job at all, so he doesn't need to pay them.
DraconisNav
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Are new members allowed to comment on politics, or is it frowned upon?
Saint Gregory
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It going to cause a pretty unprecedented situation when (I think it's forgone at this point) Trump reshuffles the Justice Dept. and the new chief suddenly realized that Mueller is no longer needed and shuts down the investigation. It's not like the FBI, CIA and all the other law enforcement/intelligence agencies are going to throw their hands in the air and say "welp, he got away". It's more likely to start what amounts to a covert civil war between the agencies tasked to protect national security and the Trump administration.
Thatonemoor
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You can discuss whatever you want to just don't be a dick.
BrassDragon
Member
Yeah... These moves aren't about mounting a legal defense, they're just priming the public with Mueller's conflict of interest BS to lay the groundwork for his dismissal.
We're going to see an escalation of stories like this about Mueller and his team. Brace, brace, brace.
Why would it be frowned upon.
Brace for what? Anyone who still takes the administration at their word....even when presented with proof that it's a lie....have already come to the same conclusion as Trump.
Feel free to join in. Just don't be rude to other posters.
We are all Solid Snake and the investigation is FOXDIE.
TheCochese
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Just have reasoned arguments.
Pay attention to Fox stories in the near future.
You can discuss whatever you want as long as you're not here to shitpost.
Junior bans are permanent.
The circle of Trump: Trump hires lawyer --> Lawyer tries to defend the indefensible --> Trump steps on his own dick --> Trump calls lawyer "sad" and refuses to pay --> Trump hires new lawyer.
Repeat ad nauseum.
plagiarize
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After the NYT interview the other day, literally my first reaction was to say that if I was Trump's lawyer, I would quit. Because if your client is just going to go to the NYT and start saying shit like that, you have a problem. So I'm not remotely surprised to see that another one of his team bailed out last night.
Flying off the handle at the person running the investigation and being all like 'BUT DON'T LOOK AT MY FINANCES' on the record is insane. So we know he didn't have legal counsel with him during that interview.
So what the fuck can you do with a client like that except peace out?
Yep. I am not even 100 percent sure that he actually colluded with Russia as far as saying point blank "We will lift sanctions if you release these emails on Hillary", but he has probably already broken countless laws in trying to cover what ever they did do with Russia up.
Leaving is the only thing you can do. Trump seems unwilling, if not completely unable, to take any advice he does not agree with.
Trump is a nightmare client for a lawyer. You would have to be supremely confident in your ability to salvage this situation or dumb enough to think you will be the person that Trump finally listens to.
PoorChoices
Member
I want this to be the new GAF slogan.
On topic though, part of me is worried about Mueller getting fired and everyone in Washington acting like it's nothing. The other part of me just bought some popcorn and wants to wait for the shitshow.
Apparently, Bill did this same stuff against Starr's team back in the day.
https://twitter.com/chrisdonovan/status/888246636530610176
https://twitter.com/chrisdonovan/status/888246636530610176
BronsonLee
Member
They really don't have anything to stand on RE: firing Mueller
Even less than what they tried with Comey
Even less than what they tried with Comey
Comey being fired was a giant fucking deal at the time with congress contemplating commissions being formed at the time.
Even the conflicts of interest don't work. If for whatever dumb reason they did decide that, it wouldn't be a reason to kill the investigation outright.
Saint Gregory
Member
They will play the victims like they always do. Forced to pardon themselves from the vicious persecution of the jealous spoiled loser Democrats.
Everyone against them are Democrats (or illegal aliens) by the way since we hold all the power now... Or something.
FF Seraphim
Member
God damn there is so much smoke, how the hell are we missing the fire causing it?!
I love how stupid these Trump enablers are. They seem to think oh lets get this investigation over with and get to work making America great! Fuckin acting like this latest Donald Jr. meeting was some sort of final reveal.
Trump is a NEVER ENDING train wreck. Reporters will never stop digging and finding new shady shit. It will be scandal after scandal after scandal until they finally snap and impeach him.
Trump is a NEVER ENDING train wreck. Reporters will never stop digging and finding new shady shit. It will be scandal after scandal after scandal until they finally snap and impeach him.
I think Kasowitz had to leave because some things in his past prevent him from getting security clearance. Without that he is more or less unable to perform as lawyer for Trump.
GoldenEye 007
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Trump has the ultimate authority on security clearances, though, right? He could have given him one.
This is exactly why all the smart lawyers won't touch him with a ten-foot pole.
The only lawyers Trump actually gets are idiots and scumbags. And even those are leaving him, which is really saying something.
Maybe he was too honest of SF86 from get go and FBI went full nope? Should have taken page from Wonder Boy's coloring book and lied his ass off on that form. Then add stuff and correct stuff as you are caught on lies as this apparently lets you keep your security clearance no matter what.
I agree with this to an extent. Imo it's pretty much a foregone conclusion there was some synergy between Trump campaign and Russia.
You'd be incredibly naive to think after that Don Jnr meeting about sanctions and getting Hilldawg dirt that all communication ended there.
This well goes much deeper. It won't be reporters that bring it all crashing down though but simply just Mueller and his team. It'll take at least a solid year to 18 months before he presents the full report to us but I expect it'll be damning and leave his position as Prez untenable (moreso if the dems own more house/senate positions)
PoorChoices
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Netherscourge
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EDIT - posted this in the wrong thread.
Maybe Trump is playing that new Nemesis Forge DLC / patch from Shadow of Mordor, but with real people? Next he will strike down Mueller and as result it will spawn lvl 15 independent special prosecutor with even more perks than what Mueller has now.
Vyse The Legend
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So, I'm not sure this was mentioned yet, but...
It's a commonly held belief that sitting Presidents cannot be indicted for a crime. There's nothing explicitly mentioned about it in the Constitution, but... it has never happened and the existence of the Impeachment process implies that's the sole method for indictment.
However, a sitting President actively investigating the need to pardon themselves--or actively trying to--could have the unintended consequence of tacitly admitting that the President himself believes he can be charged for a crime.
It's been reported that Mueller has a Constitution expert on his team investigating this very question -- whether or not a sitting President can be charged without impeachment. Donald may actually help him build that case.
TheCochese
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The theory with pardons is that you cannot be your own adjudicator. I think it would be struck down fairly easily, even among conservative justices.
Felix Lighter
Member
It's an instance where I feel common sense will prevail in the end if tested. It won't be that difficult to interpret the Constitution in a way to prevent the President from pardoning himself and it's imperative for the country that that kind of insanely blatant abuse of power isn't allowed.
Hopefully, they already have documents and the WH does attempt to destroy their records and it's used to solidify the obstruction case.
Felix Lighter
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sorry, dp
Can Trump pardon himself and other questions answered:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ns-answered/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.8968e74cdecc
This tidbit is in there:
"Additionally, a Republican whos talked to administration officials told The Post that the White House hopes to begin laying the groundwork to fire Robert Mueller, the former FBI director tasked with the investigation."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ns-answered/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.8968e74cdecc
This tidbit is in there:
"Additionally, a Republican whos talked to administration officials told The Post that the White House hopes to begin laying the groundwork to fire Robert Mueller, the former FBI director tasked with the investigation."
Saint Gregory
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To the shock of absolutely no one.
Trump will continue to push the envelope here until someone on Capitol Hill decides to fulfill their check and balance role.
TetraGenesis
Member
Yeah, this is definitely gonna happen. And unfortunately it will probably work.
BobTheFork
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IF he were able to fire Mueller and did it, that looks bad.
If he has to get rid of the AG too to do it, that's much worse.
If he has to get rid of the AG too to do it, that's much worse.
Beer Monkey
Member
Its not going to stop the investigation. It's not going to stop the indictments.
So what do you mean by "work"?
TetraGenesis
Member
If Rosenstein is replaced by a Trump stooge, Mueller is fired (and the Special Counsel disbanded), and Congress stays red in 2018, who in the world has the power to stop Trump and see justice?
The thing about Trump is that appearing guilty or even admitting to crimes (sexual assault) does not hurt him. It hasn't been able to. By shedding all pretense of innocence (well, almost all), he gets to do whatever he wants. He is not concerned with seeming innocent because he knows that seeming innocent only matters when people have power over you.
Don't get me wrong! I hope it doesn't go down like this. I'm depressed and cynical as fuck in a post-Trump world so I haven't been one for optimism lately.
I'm more hopeful that he'll keel over from a heart attack or stroke, honestly.
Maiden Voyage
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Do it.