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[hans_castorp]

"Ah it's just a 15s commercial. It won't possibly reveal that muc...OHMYGOD"

Every big player will be present in CSIII. Shit's gonna hit the fan even harder than in Ao.

 

[Jolkien]

How could a 15 second clip make me this anxious. I'm starting to think my adoration for the series is unhealthy.

You're not alone

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

I'm honestly still not feeling much hype over CS3 based on the information we have...I just want to play it and see what it ends up being.

 

[Marche90]

15 second commercial for CS3

I spy

Spoiler

playable Tita with Orbal Gear

I'm laughing here, they pretty much showed the main party I'm planning to roll with for as much as I can (Rean, Musse, Tita and Agate)

Also. HOLY SHIT I WANT THIS GAME NOW!! 15 seconds of hype distilled lol

 

[Thud]

no sara no buy

She's not the type to sit and hold back.

I'm honestly still not feeling much hype over CS3 based on the information we have...I just want to play it and see what it ends up being.

Seeing every big faction involved and filling holes left intentionally in previous games doesn't excite you? We obviously don't know the specifics, but we can skip most of the introductions now. This leaves the game in a more favorable position.

 

[holysan]

CS III seems a bit toooo much when looking at the number of characters.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

God, every bit revealed of this game just makes me more and more excited.

 

[Dragoon En Regalia]

Aidios be praised. I wonder if we'll get a fuller teaser/trailer anytime soon, or just CMs up until the release.

CS III seems a bit toooo much when looking at the number of characters.

We simply don't know how long this game will be. All we know is there's gonna be a lot of characters to keep up with, most of them not revolving around Rean, and Falcom's had 3 years to work on this behemoth.

 

[PK Gaming]

Cautiously optimistic, but the new stuff looks ridiculously hype

 

[Nyoro SF]

That trailer. My god.

That clip of Juna screaming is more emotional than all of CS1 and CS2 JP voice acting combined.
Tita playable. Of course she is. Falcom you tease.
And of course, Red Moon Rose... finally, its true meaning will be revealed in CS3?

Only Trails could turn a 15 second commercial into a nailbiter.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Seeing every big faction involved and filling holes left intentionally in previous games doesn't excite you? We obviously don't know the specifics, but we can skip most of the introductions now. This leaves the game in a more favorable position.

I'm excited about arianrhod and basically everything surrounding antagonists and side characters like

Spoiler

Thomas

, but what they are doing with the party feels incredibly lame.

 

[Jiraiza]

15 second commercial for CS3

I spy

Spoiler

playable Tita with Orbal Gear

That playable

Spoiler

Tita

, holy shit, I'm all in.

 

[DodgeDusk]

That commercial, hot diggity. So glad (CS3 spoiler)

Spoiler

___Tita___

is back. Is Rean no longer (CS2 S-Craft spoiler)

Spoiler

cleaving ignorace and lightning the way?

 

[Dragon1893]

Only 30 hours into CS2, how spoilerish is that clip?

 

[Jiraiza]

Only 30 hours into CS2, how spoilerish is that clip?

Just watch it after you finish, silly.

 

[Dragon1893]

Just watch it after you finish, silly.

That's still gonna take a few months, gonna be a long wait lol.

 

[Thud]

Only 30 hours into CS2, how spoilerish is that clip?

Well the first second is already a spoiler.

Better wait.

 

[NoctisCaelum]

There is already a way to insert the AO spreadsheet by kitsune into the game (using psps emulator)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Falcom/comments/6oeduj/ao_no_kiseki_psp_translation_tool_version_2_now/

 

[Carmelozi]

I haven't finished TiTS 3rd yet and I'm waiting translation of Zero/Ao before to begin ToCS. But man, I can't stop to spoil myself a little...

 

[hans_castorp]

I haven't finished TiTS 3rd yet and I'm waiting translation of Zero/Ao before to begin ToCS. But man, I can't stop to spoil myself a little...

Actually playing Cold Steel before Crosbell maybe not be a bad idea. Ao spoils more from Sen II than Sen II from Ao.

And Zero/Ao patchs will take some time till they're ready.

 

[chaosblade]

I can see Zero being finished before CS3 in English assuming the new editor doesn't get burned out and slows down. Ao is probably still a very long way off though.

 

[Holundrian]

Anyone following the info closely will notice that at one point or another most plot points people are worried about getting the shaft are already confirmed to be touched upon in Sen 3 in some form or another(hexen, gnomes even past stuff of Fie's life as a jaeger and many more things). Now of course that's not a guarantee the way it handled will be satisfactory but dunno when I look at Ao a game that basically was just harvesting all the setup it did in Zero and how amazing that was and then look at the groundwork laid down in Cold Steel 1/2(which were originally planned to be a single game anyway) ripe for harvest I think there is a lot of reason to be optimistic. Add to that a lot of things not being problems anymore that kinda made cold steel 1/2 difficult to develop.

Also I initially thought some members of class 7 would fall on the sidelines given they might already have had their story arc but it seems more and more to me all of them will get a good part in Sen 3, judging by when you look at the different conflicts/plot points still hanging and think about where each of them could slot in.
In theory every one of them could have a good part to play.

 

[Thud]

I think it's better indeed.

Unless you really want the gameplay gets slightly better with each entry feeling.

 

[Gu4n]

I can see Zero being finished before CS3 in English assuming the new editor doesn't get burned out and slows down.

He will slow down because his summer break doesn't last forever.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Anyone following the info closely will notice that at one point or another most plot points people are worried about getting the shaft are already confirmed to be touched upon in Sen 3 in some form or another(hexen, gnomes even past stuff of Fie's life as a jaeger and many more things). Now of course that's not a guarantee the way it handled will be satisfactory but dunno when I look at Ao a game that basically was just harvesting all the setup it did in Zero and how amazing that was and then look at the groundwork laid down in Cold Steel 1/2(which were originally planned to be a single game anyway) ripe for harvest I think there is a lot of reason to be optimistic. Add to that a lot of things not being problems anymore that kinda made cold steel 1/2 difficult to develop.

Also I initially thought some members of class 7 would fall on the sidelines given they might already have had their story arc but it seems more and more to me all of them will get a good part in Sen 3, judging by when you look at the different conflicts/plot points still hanging and think about where each of them could slot in.
In theory every one of them could have a good part to play.

I don't have faith that I'm going to feel satisfied with how they handle the main cast when so much focus is on new characters and characters whose story had already reached a satisfying conclusion.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, but as it is I could definitely do without kurt, juna, musse, ash, tita, and agate while waiting for a proper ending for the CS cast.

 

[Holundrian]

I don't have faith that I'm going to feel satisfied with how they handle the main cast when so much focus is on new characters and characters whose story had already reached a satisfying conclusion.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, but as it is I could definitely do without kurt, juna, musse, ash, tita, and agate while waiting for a proper ending for the CS cast.

You're just making stuff up about how much focus is on the new characters.
And it honestly gets annoying when the only thing you're hanging on is that new characters exist therefore the old ones will get automatically shafted.
What nonsense based on what we've already experienced in prior games where several people that have only got a little bit of stuff in one game get their full resolution in the next or at least are satisfyingly handled and positioned as future important characters.

Several people also already mentioned countless times the reason why some characters feels so underdeveloped. It's the unintended splitting. Imagine CS1/2 as one game with the padding cut we'd basically have something similar to Zero where you've had the same thing with certain characters just getting the basic setup.

Again think of Ao that game has very little padding if any and thus manages to get through a ton of stuff setup wise and giving some answers wise.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

You're just making stuff up about how much focus is on the new characters.
And it honestly gets annoying when the only thing you're hanging on is that new characters exist therefore the old ones will get automatically shafted.
What nonsense based on what we've already experienced in prior games where several people that have only got a little bit of stuff in one game get their full resolution in the next or at least are satisfyingly handled and positioned as future important characters.

Several people also already mentioned countless times the reason why the characters feels so underdeveloped. It's the unintended splitting. Imagine CS1/2 as one game with the padding cut we'd basically have something similar to Zero.

we have 18 playable characters from CS2, now I have to hope that 25 characters actually get proper time and development and playability. I don't have faith in that at all. CS3 also needs to make up for the godawful infernal castle setup, with a new primary cast of characters I don't see that happening. I don't have faith based on "what we've already experienced" that you seem to.

 

[Holundrian]

we have 18 playable characters from CS2, now I have to hope that 25 characters actually get proper time and development and playability. I don't have faith in that at all. CS3 also needs to make up for the godawful infernal castle setup, with a new primary cast of characters I don't see that happening. I don't have faith based on "what we've already experienced" that you seem to.

Hey it's ok hold on to your same assumptions I was only saying it gets annoying we got it you don't believe it despite there's plenty of reason all already listed several times(mostly because of you) to be optimistic. Just pls fucking lay off repeating yourself or at least come up with new reasons.

I could just repeat myself again regarding this whole statements about how playable doesn't mean anything and listing examples of characters that had a lot of condensed development in a quick amount of time that still was absolutely satisfactory but u will just harp on the same reasons again so let's save it.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Hey it's ok hold on to your same assumptions I was only saying it gets annoying we got it you don't believe it despite there's plenty of reason all already listed several times(mostly because of you) to be optimistic. Just pls fucking lay off repeating yourself or at least come up with new reasons.

new trailer new reaction, jesus christ lay off trying to tell me what to post.

 

[Holundrian]

new trailer new reaction, jesus christ lay off trying to tell me what to post.

your reaction isn't new you've been fucking posting the same shit for months.
I haven't said anything the first 30 times I've read the same shit. It's not like I don't get where some of it comes from but when you don't fucking consider any other reasons and just repeat yourself infinitely I'm sorry for pointing out that it gets annoying, dude.

But ok it's not like I can stop you writing the same shit another 20 times until sen3 releases so if you just want to do it to irk people do so.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

your reaction isn't new you've been fucking posting the same shit for months.
I haven't said anything the first 30 times I've read the same shit. It's not like I don't get where some of it comes from but when you don't fucking consider any other reasons and just repeat yourself infinitely I'm sorry for pointing out that it gets annoying, dude.

But ok it's not like I can stop you writing the same shit another 20 times until sen3 releases so if you just want to do it to irk people do so.

but I also said in the other thread that the last set of information was exciting since its focus was on shit I cared about. You are the only one bitching here. I'm sorry not everyone can be super hype about everything.

I post for discussion based on current conversation and my feelings towards it. You being a giant douche won't change that.

 

[Holundrian]

but I also said in the other thread that the last set of information was exciting since its focus was on shit I cared about. You are the only one bitching here. I'm sorry not everyone can be super hype about everything.

I post for discussion based on current conversation and my feelings towards it. You being a giant douche won't change that.

I will only say that it's not at all about being super hyped about everything so don't throw random shit in there to mischaracterize my position outside of that I guess carry on with fingers in your ears until you repeat yourself the next time.

But I'm pretty fucking certain that this is less about me being a douche and more getting tired reading the same bitchin for fucking months now and this being very much the first time I said anything about it. There is no discussion in that bitchin when you just continue to have the same finger in your ears attitude every time people tell you reason why you don't need to be pessimistic.

So it's laughable to say you post for discussion with the displayed attitude. You post to bitch simple as that and it's tiring to read.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

I will only say that it's not at all about being super hyped about everything so don't throw random shit in there to mischaracterize my position outside of that I guess carry on with fingers in your ears until you repeat yourself the next time.

But I'm pretty fucking certain that this is less about me being a douche and more getting tired reading the same bitchin for fucking months now and this being very much the first time I said anything about it. There is no discussion in that bitchin when you just continue to have the same finger in your ears attitude every time people tell you reason why you don't need to be pessimistic.

So it's laughable to say you post for discussion with the displayed attitude. You post to bitch simple as that and it's tiring to read.

you didnt even try to have a discussion. you just freaked the fuck out. I've had discussion. I've mentioned what was interesting in the latest trailer, and mentioned whats disappointing. I said what I was feeling because of it. Thud posted to have a conversation and I responded. I replied to you to try and continue the conversation based on how I was feeling based on the info and you freak the fuck out.

 

[Holundrian]

you didnt even try to have a discussion. you just freaked the fuck out. I've had discussion. I've mentioned what was interesting in the latest trailer, and mentioned whats disappointing. I said what I was feeling because of it. Thud posted to have a conversation and I responded. I replied to you to try and continue the conversation based on how I was feeling based on the info and you freak the fuck out.

Yes I just freaked the fucked out of nowhere. Wait what? Didn't I just fucking mention this was after I read your same bitching 30+ times over months + seeing you IGNORE all arguments brought forth SEVERAL times.
But ok I just freaked out of nowhere. I'm sorry dude get out of fantasy land and actually fucking read your post history and responses to it.

In any case it seems there's no real point really to engage further.

 

[Basileus777]

Holundrian, what the hell are you doing? What a strange series of posts. Rage and absurd escalation out of nowhere.

 

[Holundrian]

Holundrian, what the hell are you doing? What a strange series of posts.

Read all kiseki threads of the last 8 months or so then come back and tell me I don't have a point. I'm pretty fucking sure I would get life threateningly hammered if I took a shot for every time he listed the same couple of reasons for why he is pessimistic. But sure if everyone else is all ok with that have it in that case I'll leave this thread. Enjoy your discussion where we always ignore what other people are saying and just say the same things again again and again.

 

[Nyoro SF]

Just doing my morning rounds and-

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

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[Gu4n]

Holundrian, what the hell are you doing? What a strange series of posts. Rage and absurd escalation out of nowhere.

I was actually writing a post that addressed the same, but couldn't post it as I was called into a meeting.

I'm with Holundrian on this one.

 

[Young Magus]

Holundrian, what the hell are you doing? What a strange series of posts. Rage and absurd escalation out of nowhere.

Eh........dude has a point.

 

[PK Gaming]

Read all kiseki threads of the last 8 months or so then come back and tell me I don't have a point. I'm pretty fucking sure I would get life threateningly hammered if I took a shot for every time he listed the same couple of reasons for why he is pessimistic. But sure if everyone else is all ok with that have it in that case I'll leave this thread. Enjoy your discussion where we always ignore what other people are saying and just say the same things again again and again.

I can sympathize with you to a a certain extent. I mean garbage like Tita x Agate being seriously pushed or people writing off the Cold Steel games with lazy arguments absolutely sets me off too, but I honestly don't think ShadowSoldier is being completely unreasonable here. He's got his own perspective and I disagree with it, but it's not like he's being malicious. Repetitive sure, but he's still entitled to posting his own opinion.

Though Shadow, you probably need to let go of the CS characters getting the conclusion you're expecting. The Kiseki games are continuous, and i'm glad CS3 is taking a step back to follow up on the entire franchise instead of closely focusing on one game series.

 

[Holundrian]

I can sympathize with you to a a certain extent. I mean garbage like Tita x Agate being seriously pushed or people writing off the Cold Steel games with lazy arguments absolutely sets me off too, but I honestly don't think ShadowSoldier is being completely unreasonable here. He's got his own perspective and I disagree with it, but it's not like he's being malicious. Repetitive sure, but he's still entitled to posting his own opinion.

Though Shadow, you probably need to let go of the CS characters getting the conclusion you're expecting. The Kiseki games are continuous, and i'm glad CS3 is taking a step back to follow up on the entire franchise instead of closely focusing on one game series.

your reaction isn't new you've been fucking posting the same shit for months.
I haven't said anything the first 30 times I've read the same shit. It's not like I don't get where some of it comes from but when you don't fucking consider any other reasons and just repeat yourself infinitely I'm sorry for pointing out that it gets annoying, dude.

But ok it's not like I can stop you writing the same shit another 20 times until sen3 releases so if you just want to do it to irk people do so.

Read all kiseki threads of the last 8 months or so then come back and tell me I don't have a point. I'm pretty fucking sure I would get life threateningly hammered if I took a shot for every time he listed the same couple of reasons for why he is pessimistic. But sure if everyone else is all ok with that have it in that case I'll leave this thread. Enjoy your discussion where we always ignore what other people are saying and just say the same things again again and again.

Quoting myself cause I feel like this essentially already speaks to some of what you mentioned
Have your opinions is totally fine, don't engage properly if you're confronted with reasons whatever, but can we pls just lay of repeating this cycle over and over and over. Isn't it enough to opinion shout like 20 times? The kiseki threads have a small community there's nothing to be gained from repeating your opinion so many times to the same people reading it except reminding them that you have no interest in actually looking at the arguments that have already been brought forth.
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In an attempt to stir the discussion to something nicer though I'm trying to list all the things that have been confirmed one way or another(through interview comments or picture evidence) to be touched upon in this promotion cycle, feel free to correct me if I'm misremembering or add stuff I forgot.
Tagging it for safety:

Spoiler

- The mystery around Lianne Sandlot/Steel Maiden will be resolved
- We will dive deeper into the events of the 100 day war
- Fie's jaeger past will be expanded upon(so likely we'll learn more about Rutger)
- Emma, the Hexen clan and the gnomes will be a plotpoint
- Red Moon Rose will become important
- Pleroma returns
- The divine knights
- (Gaius will super likely have a plotline involving/relating to the church)<- purposely vague here and putting it in brackets cause I don't think there was a Kondo comment on this just the signs have been piling for this theory that the most attentive have formulated.
- There's also stuff like 2 septis being in Erebonia that hasn#t been touched upon yet again beyond the mention in sen 2 but this being the last sen game it has to be dealt with I'd say

I feel like I'm actually forgetting like 20 other things.

 

[Thud]

They aren't done developing characters after two games. All the games had plenty of characters, even though they weren't playable. Cold Steel just turns it up a notch.

All of Class VII matured, although Gaius already felt pretty much developed when you met him. Still there's room for growth and I fully expect Falcom to take advantage of that in this game.

I think it's pretty great how Juna took up tonfa as her choice of arms. Kurt will also give more insight into the Vander family.

Not being excited is one thing, worrying about stuff is another.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Though Shadow, you probably need to let go of the CS characters getting the conclusion you're expecting. The Kiseki games are continuous, and i'm glad CS3 is taking a step back to follow up on the entire franchise instead of closely focusing on one game series.

eh, i dunno if I can. the infernal castle really soured the shit out of me. I really enjoyed CS up until that. I'd definitely be more excited for following up on the entire franchise if it wasn't for that. I'm excited for the other franchise plot strings that feel more like they belong, like I mentioned with Arianrhod and that other spoiler. There is a lot of interesting things going on based on what has happened previously, I just hope I can manage to care given the framing.

 

[Jiraiza]

Dunno, I'm like one of the bigger dissenters on the CS games, and I will admit I'm excited for CS3. Even for Rean, uh, assuming they don't go full-LN writing for him again.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Dunno, I'm like one of the bigger dissenters on the CS games, and I will admit I'm excited for CS3. Even for Rean, uh, assuming they don't go full-LN writing for him again.

I think my feelings come from being the opposite. I'm one of the biggest fans of CS here, thats why CS3 is worrying me. I guess I won't explain how that works again though.

 

[PK Gaming]

I like how everyone's this hype, and they haven't even introduced Estelle and Joshua yet. I'm sure their appearance will cause the fanbase to meltdown.

eh, i dunno if I can. the infernal castle really soured the shit out of me. I really enjoyed CS up until that. I'd definitely be more excited for following up on the entire franchise if it wasn't for that. I'm excited for the other franchise plot strings that feel more like they belong, like I mentioned with Arianrhod and that other spoiler. There is a lot of interesting things going on based on what has happened previously, I just hope I can manage to care given the framing.

Like, going through SC I know exactly why the infernal castle segment soured you, but you gotta let it go. Class VII isn't getting the runback. They'll likely never get put into a position where they get to kick enforcer ass as the focus of the story. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can get hyped for CS3.

 

[Holundrian]

I like how everyone's this hype, and they haven't even introduced Estelle and Joshua yet. I'm sure their appearance will cause the fanbase to meltdown.



Like, going through SC I know exactly why the infernal castle segment soured you, but you gotta let it go. Class VII isn't getting the runback. They'll likely never get put into a position where they get to kick enforcer ass as the focus of the story. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can get hyped for CS3.

Spoiler

A proper Fie vs Shirley fight is kinda already in the cards. We might just get bamboozled by promotion material but that was exactly part of my point. There is reason to be optimistic.We will also likely get Laura vs Stahlritter at least if not more.
As there has been more and more stuff coming out a lot of concerns I've seen should be eased(not necessarily squashed just toned down) based on what the promotion material says + looking back at how other games handled themselves that didn't get fucked by various dev difficulties not relating to the game content itself. So based on what I've caught following all the dengekis so far stuff like class 7 getting proper moments and stuff to do has only become more likely. And I've been the person that originally though we would only have the people that didn't get storylines before involved majorly but in contrary all of them seem to be getting involved. I was also part of the camp thinking a couple different people likely going to get the shaft with the huge volume but as I've learned more that absolutely also doesn't need to be the case.

Don't click this if you don't want Gaius spoilers:

Spoiler

Let's take him as an example his whole potential storyline of possibly becoming a squire of the gralsritter/or dominion itself doesn't need to properly resolve in Sen 3 alone. You do the reveal, give him a super badass moment and make it clear he's going to be a remaining variable involved with the church in further games and I totally believe that would be satisfying enough and wouldn't take all that much story space away at all.

Spoiler

urgh. That's why it's so tiring people not seeing the things that are being said and it's frustrating when people constantly point out "hey look evidence is building up that is pushing against a couple of worries a lot of people had" are just ignored.

It just feels like I'm repeating stuff I said ages ago again but I hope this time people take notice.

 

[Jiraiza]

I think my feelings come from being the opposite. I'm one of the biggest fans of CS here, thats why CS3 is worrying me. I guess I won't explain how that works again though.

Well, if it helps, some screenshots seem to show perspective shifts to different characters including the old Class VII, so that'll give them more screentime for development? At least, that's my hope.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Well, if it helps, some screenshots seem to show perspective shifts to different characters including the old Class VII, so that'll give them more screentime for development? At least, that's my hope.

yea Im definitely interested in that. Especially the early screens that make it look like Sara might get some lead time.