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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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Gunslinger
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With only 11 episodes now left I don't think they have much time left. They have yet to conclude the whole human drama and haven't even touch white walkers yet.
Again as I said earlier, people complaining about it being rushed or things just happening don't seem to understand that there is a story which has to finish. Once Danny gets to Westeros things have to move fast because otherwise how do you stall? Her being in all these other locations and other parts of the world is what kept her bay and let the Westeros internal fighting to continue for 6 seasons.
You can't just have her sailing for a season or after reaching Westeros, just sitting in her castle for a season. The story has to end somehow so of course, everything is going to feel rushed. I just don't see this massive drop in quality that people complain about every season. Season 5 yes there were some really slow dragged out parts and boring elements, but even then it had amazing episodes. Season 6 was superb. We are 2 episodes in season 7 and people are acting like this is terrible tv.
I meant more to do with burning people, since that's what her father was doing but now she'd be doing with but with dragons. The collateral damage there would be insane, people would start looking at her not as a savior, but as a monster, just another mad Targaryens.
And I think people don't really ever speak ill of Aegon because it happened so long ago that no one has any actual connection to it. I mean, you don't ever see people shit talk Genghis Khan since he's ancest history, but we still look back and shit talk Hitler like a mofo since he was pretty recent history.
LegendofDragoonLives
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She's reciting stories that are told then when talking to one person and using #fakenews stories told to everyone about her being queen.
And uhh.. did you forget Danny's brother?
I think this is where the argument is a bit off.
People seem to be acting like 11 episodes is some force of nature. They couldn't help it. 11 episodes is all they have. Then the world is going to come crashing down or HBO is going to burn to the ground or something because they totally can't make more than 11 more episodes.
Uh... they chose 11 episodes, and it's really clear to me that they should not have. They needed to slow the fuck down at Season 5 or so and instead have sped everything up and people excuse the bad writing because of that. That's not an excuse. This show could go on for 2 or 3 more years. It's one of the most popular shows in the damned world. If it can't get the proper number of seasons to send it off well then I don't know what show can.
The show needed these last two seasons to be full and at least one more season on top of that to flesh out things from season 5 onward and not make it quite so ridiculously awkward.
I don't entirely disagree, Euron has been poorly written. I guess we just let it effect our views differently, to me in the grand scheme he hasn't bothered me and hasn't made an impact on the shows quality just like how I was able to excuse Dorne due to it being surrounded by a lot of good stuff. The Greyjoy storyline just feels like the new Dorne to me, which I can easily ignore for the meat surrounding it. I guess it just boils down to what you're willing to excuse and what you're not. The older seasons had a bunch of weird stuff in it too like Crasters Keep and crazed shirtless Ramsay and 20 good men, it just feels like writing hiccups rather than an overall decrease in quality to me. To each their own though I suppose.
I was thinking about this last night, this season is so uneven and it's like a race to the finish. I really don't understand why they made it a shortened season when they clearly had the material to do more. The battle scene from last night literally came from nowhere and not in a good way. I was just like "WTF this is random as hell" the whole time.
The whole mad Targaryen thing isn't necessarily untrue.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Targaryen_madness
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Targaryen_madness
Don't agree that it is basic strategy. Like I said it was just too neat and too perfect, might not have helped that the editing and/or writing (on a structural basis) wasn't great.
You might be right in that was it just a pacing issue, but I fear it wasn't.
Some are debatable but not Sam stumbling across a cure for greyscale which we've never heard of until this episode. He didn't know about it either.
I was quite accepting of Sam finding the dragon glass mine in comparison. It was well set up, we saw the process in how he acquired that knowledge, and we've heard about dragon glass before.
Starting to get ready. As in this episode hit a lot of notes that I really didn't care for and genuinely made me not appreciate the direction of the show.
Comparable to BvS in how it was structured (or rather lack thereof) and how numb I was towards the entire endeavour.
I didn't like season 5, it didn't piss me off either.
You're right about the hyperbole though, I really should have said that it felt like it was more about moving the plot forward than the characters and their motivation rather than all about plot. I wrote that pretty much straight after viewing the episode and really not liking it.
However based on the reaction to Missandei in this thread, I think that the boob jibe is pretty warranted.
Gunslinger
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I think it has to do with budget, is GoT more expensive than Rome? And creators kind of getting tired of GoT I think they already got a new show deal from HBO.
People keep focusing on the number of episode when the length of them is kind of important. Two episodes this season are 1 hour and 30 minutes each, those two sets of extra 30 minutes technically add up to one other episodes worth of content, and who knows how long the episodes will be next season. In a weird way we kind of have 8 episodes this season instead of 7.
There were other mad Targaryens. The flipping of the coin line originally came from Barristan when he is talking to Dany in the books.
Lasthope106
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After considering the episode overnight, I grow to dislike it more and more. That battle at the end was shit. Like really? We are going to have a generic, we are all under the boat, and suddenly we are getting attacked in this "right" moment.
The editing of the battle was shit, the choreography was bad, the special effects were poor, the part of Euron coming down from that wood thing was silly, the geography of the characters was confusing. I couldn't tell if they were in the same ship or different ships.
The editing of the battle was shit, the choreography was bad, the special effects were poor, the part of Euron coming down from that wood thing was silly, the geography of the characters was confusing. I couldn't tell if they were in the same ship or different ships.
Megalosaro
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I liked the ship battle. I thought it was pretty cool
Craster's Keep is nowhere near like the Iron Islands and Dorne to me.
The other thing is that you're basically comparing this season to a season and example I'm using against the earlier seasons. When I say this season sucks compared to pre-Season 5 a season 5 example doesn't really do anything against what I'm saying. I've been explicitly saying that Season 5 itself onward has been pretty bad compared to the first three or so seasons. I would specifically say the 20 good men was exactly the same sort of crap Euron is pulling right now.
Maybe it's hindsight, but at this point I'd rather the creators fucked off if they're not feeling it and the show goes into new hands. There has to be other people more capable and passionate about it at this point.
A Serious Man
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I haven't been too enamored with this season so far. It feels like the final pieces are moving into place to quickly and easily. We'll see how it goes but I'm lukewarm on it so far.
TheLostBigBoss
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So ummmm have we talked about this
It would be funny if the wall is and always was useless.
I noticed that too.
However, they actually fucked it up. If you look at the incoming into The Wall, you'll see the ocean is still water. It's only ice on the pan out.
So... yea, most likely bad editing/double checking.
Unless of course the pan out is a glimpse into the future, but that's stupid.
Jon isn't Ned 2.0, tired of that narrative. Sure he's still a guy that tries to do the "right" thing, but he's not as naive as Ned.
A Ned decision would've been to kill the Umber and Karstark heirs. Ned would definitely have done that, John didn't.
I'd also argue that Ned would not have teamed up with the wildlings the way Jon has.
Trying to paint Jon going to Dragonstone as Ned decision is such a weak way to approach the problem. What realistic option is there, when it houses their best defense against the Nigh King's army.
It should should be telling that Jon sat on Sam's info he didn't rush to go there himself to retrieve it. It wasn't until Tryrion's message was recieved that he decided to go there himself. Dany would disregard everyone else bar Sansa maybe and I really don't think Sansa can sell the threat of the White Walkers the way Jon can.
Basically Jon still a character that strives for "goodness" in his actions, but the good decision isn't always a dumb one.
A Ned decision would've been to kill the Umber and Karstark heirs. Ned would definitely have done that, John didn't.
I'd also argue that Ned would not have teamed up with the wildlings the way Jon has.
Trying to paint Jon going to Dragonstone as Ned decision is such a weak way to approach the problem. What realistic option is there, when it houses their best defense against the Nigh King's army.
It should should be telling that Jon sat on Sam's info he didn't rush to go there himself to retrieve it. It wasn't until Tryrion's message was recieved that he decided to go there himself. Dany would disregard everyone else bar Sansa maybe and I really don't think Sansa can sell the threat of the White Walkers the way Jon can.
Basically Jon still a character that strives for "goodness" in his actions, but the good decision isn't always a dumb one.
People on Reddit pointed out that it looks like ice in that screengrab but it's actually just a cloud in the video.
RustyNails
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Theres so much shit happening at breakneck speed. I like it better than every other season.
TheLostBigBoss
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Yea, that makes sense.
More_Badass
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We already knew a cure existed due to Stannis' daughter
Sleeping Lesson
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Yeah it's very clearly clouds when you watch the video.
TheLostBigBoss
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He really should have cut his arm off.
Left hand was infected, he can still fight pretty well with his main hand
Left hand was infected, he can still fight pretty well with his main hand
Lionel Richie
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Guys, sorry if this has been answered, but how did Euron know who was on that ship? Like the Greyjoys and the Dorne hot as fuck people couldn't have been just as easily travelling on another ship on the armada? He boarded the right one and took hostages (not personally, but his men did that, implying they knew who the fuck were those chicks) he had no way of knowing were even there. What am I missing here?
A lot of the episode was Sam trying to find a cure. We already knew for a long time that 2 were successfully treated, one being Shireen, Stannis's daughter. Sam works in the biggest library in Westeros, Maesters like writing their shit down... not hard to see the connection.
Dubbedinenglish
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I'd assume their flagship should have...er flags and should be bigger than the rest.
is something my brother and i were joking last night, EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYBODY, there arent secrets anymore in this series, put attention and you will notice.
Sleeping Lesson
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It's because of the medium of film. The entire fleet was sacked, so they would have been killed/taken either way. It simplifies things to just have them all be on the flagship, which would stand out from the others.
Indeed, sometimes you just have to excuse these things in movies/tv shows, otherwise you'd have Euron just fighting random dudes 30 jumps over or just waiting behind doing nothing.
Kenzodielocke
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The grayscale treatment was so disgusting to look at. I can't of any other scenes that were at that level.
Maybe he was just familiar with how his family worked on the sea.
Bad writing.
Even if he did know what ship to attack, the fact that he could attack it without any sort of warning is just nuts.
TheLostBigBoss
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Which is exactly what happened in the earlier seasons.
We go from Jim Broadbent talking about how curing advanced greyscale is different from that in infants in one scene to Sam talking about how he found the cure for advanced greyscale in a book in the next. Zero time is spent showing how he found out about it.
It is unbelievably convenient.
Sleeping Lesson
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You can explain how he snuck up on them, but it would involve talking about the written text version, which is forbidden.
do you really that old fuck? i mean he admitted that he believes sam and still doesnt give a shit about the white walkers.
fuck that guy
TheLostBigBoss
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You're taking the word of the Maester at face value when it's already obvious they don't really care for the lives of those around them enough to
1) Help Sam find a way to defeat the White Walkers
2) Risk infection/outbreak of greyscale for one dude
Seems reasonable that he would basically tell Sam to quit asking questions and do his job
1) Help Sam find a way to defeat the White Walkers
2) Risk infection/outbreak of greyscale for one dude
Seems reasonable that he would basically tell Sam to quit asking questions and do his job
Which means this was bad writing for TV.
Sam found the "cure" before taking it to Jim Broadbent. Remember Broadbent's line about the person who wrote that book dying of greyscale?
Regginator
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It just looks that way when the camera pans out, probably because of clouds and what not. It looks like this in the most recent episode:So ummmm have we talked about this
It would be funny if the wall is and always was useless.
You can easily explain it in any number of ways that don't matter in the end. The result is the same so why waste time on it?
Sleeping Lesson
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Not if it's explained in a later episode (I don't think it will, though).
Valtýr;244344876 said:
Yes I agree. "Because it's a show" is fine by me; they don't need to explain the minute mechanics of how one fleet attacked another.
RustyNails
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The cure is essentially something written down by an old maester who himself died of greyscale.
Sleeping Lesson
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This whole season is moving at a fast pace, and I think it's better for it. If it doesn't matter how Arya got from one place to another, don't show it. If it doesn't matter how many books Sam had to read, don't show it. If it doesn't matter why Euron snuck up on the flagship, whatevs! I do think that much of the scene was lame, but that's not why.
TimeEffect
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Is the finale going to be an extra hour or something? I just really worry about the pacing.
That said, at least the show runs for like 50 minutes, unlike other 1 hour shows that run for 40.
Im really hating that the final season is coming what, 2019? How long is the wait going to be?
Conkerkid11
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Get picked up by Gendry.
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