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So was it the angels then?
elrechazado
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Not to dox you, but it's so cool to know that Erich Von Daniken posts on GAF.
Simon Belmont
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Gobekli Tepe looks pretty interesting, I hadn't heard of it before! It's not a city though, it doesn't really push our view of when settlements were founded. It could be huge in figuring out how settlements started though.
Who knows though, maybe they'll find a village somewhere nearby.
What the hell am I reading
StreetDisciple
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Fallen...correct. According to scriptures they taught humans all kinds of heavenly secrets. Which is why God brought the flood. U probably don't believe in the word, so I am taking to a wall currently. Continue on with your comedy.
You can believe in faith and proven science at the same time. Many others do it.
So when exactly did we stop needing the help of angels exactly? Was it the Great Wall of China? Maybe it was the Collosus of Rhodes? Or maybe Steve Jobs got help from the angels to create the IPhone?
StreetDisciple
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You are assuming again. I am a big believer in Science....doesn't mean I have to believe everything. There is plenty of shit science cant explain.
Well firstly Göbekli Tepe is within the region regarded as the "cradle of civilisation" (a band stretching from southern Anatolia, across the Levant, Egypt, and Mesopotamia) so it doesn't really change anything in that respect.
However it needs to be made clear that Göbekli Tepe isn't a civilisation, it's a settlement that contains some stone pillars with carvings on them. There are plenty of similar settlements within roughly the same time period all over the Middle East:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_Aswad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_es-Sultan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastered_human_skulls
All of these sites are generally associated with the Pre-Pottery Neolithic B Culture:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_B
elrechazado
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Fortunately it can absolutely explain engineering and stone carving.
Btw, which religion are you in that views the book of Enoch as canon? Legit curious, not mocking you.
Do you just selectively choose what scientific and extensive historical research to not believe?
I believe in science but I choose a totally unscientific and unverifiable option
Any Questions
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OP. I believe
cyberheater
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OP.
Please don't try to discuss things like this or UFOs or Aliens on this board. It's pointless.
Please don't try to discuss things like this or UFOs or Aliens on this board. It's pointless.
Yeah let's discuss something more believable like the Earth being flat
UpDownLeftRight
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Did I just walk into the flat earth OT of GAF? This is one strange corner.
I'm still waiting for the Angels to enlighten my simple human brain to give you a better answer.
Absoludacrous
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Surely there are better uses of your time than trying to bait him into a religion argument?
There are plenty of pyramids in Egypt that were not built with 'laser precision' a lot of the older ones look like ramshackle piles of rocks the ancient Egyptians just fucked into a pile.
Thing is, when your civilisation is largely built around building large temple monuments to your dead God kings and this goes on for a good 1200 years or so then people tend to get really good at it.
There's no higher beings or aliens involved it's just a civilisation constantly trying to one up it's ancestors.
I don't think people realise just how many pyramids Egypt has, there are over 100 and these pyramids are just refinements of older masteba bench tombs.
Thing is, when your civilisation is largely built around building large temple monuments to your dead God kings and this goes on for a good 1200 years or so then people tend to get really good at it.
There's no higher beings or aliens involved it's just a civilisation constantly trying to one up it's ancestors.
I don't think people realise just how many pyramids Egypt has, there are over 100 and these pyramids are just refinements of older masteba bench tombs.
Iorv3th
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I was watching something about it on the science channel the other day and they acted like the sphynx was never finished. The water erosion was also because they had ports to haul the stone around apparently and had man made waterways to those areas.
I mean, he said he believes in science. So I'm curious.
LookAtMeGo
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Thanks.
So its in the region still ok. And I guess its not a civilization itself but is it not evidence of one? Im not supereducated on the subject but hasnt Gobekli challenged the idea of how civilizations formed and when? At least earlier than Sumer? I mean its 6000 years older. Thats more time between us and the pyramids. I was of the understanding that Gobekli challenged the idea that civilization developed earlier than believed. Gobekli is huge and the amount of work that went into it was immense. Would they not have had to have the means to support 100s of workers for a long period of time? And isnt it thought to be a temple? Is the only thing missing to make it a civilization agriculture and writing? If there is no evidence of of people living there, they had to live somewhere. Maybe we just havent found it yet? I just dont see how such a massive complex that is so much older than Sumer at least add some credibility to the idea that civilization is older than believed.
Adam_Vania
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i dont think the Pyramids are that much older. yes it's a mystery as to exactly how they made them, but we pretty much know what pharaohs funded what pyramids and when.
there are lots of true mysteries in Egypt though. still a lot we don't know about their technology. there are perfect statues carved from super hard material that would take millenia to polish by hand.
there is the matter of fully painted caves and tombs reaching deep into the dark earth with no evidence of burning torches on the ceiling. how did they generate light in these caves? 6000 year old mirrors only bring in so much light.
there is the matter of how they carved this stuff. obelisks tend to be giant solid pieces of stone, carved right from the quarry, right from the side of a mountain, using only a stone and a wooden stake. they cut them into perfect right angles and stood them on their sides while maintaining structural integrity and avoiding cracks or imperfections, all without modern technology. how?
as for dates, there is building evidence the Great Sphinx is really old, possibly older than Egypt, and was at one time flooded. very clearly there are signs of water erosion near the base of the sphinx.
Egypt is a magical land. so many mysteries still to solve.
there are lots of true mysteries in Egypt though. still a lot we don't know about their technology. there are perfect statues carved from super hard material that would take millenia to polish by hand.
there is the matter of fully painted caves and tombs reaching deep into the dark earth with no evidence of burning torches on the ceiling. how did they generate light in these caves? 6000 year old mirrors only bring in so much light.
there is the matter of how they carved this stuff. obelisks tend to be giant solid pieces of stone, carved right from the quarry, right from the side of a mountain, using only a stone and a wooden stake. they cut them into perfect right angles and stood them on their sides while maintaining structural integrity and avoiding cracks or imperfections, all without modern technology. how?
as for dates, there is building evidence the Great Sphinx is really old, possibly older than Egypt, and was at one time flooded. very clearly there are signs of water erosion near the base of the sphinx.
Egypt is a magical land. so many mysteries still to solve.
Agriculture is older than civilisation, all of the other sites I listed had some form of agriculture as well. However just like Göbekli Tepe they aren't civilisations, merely cultures and settlements. Civilisations are characterised by complicated social hierarchies and governments - writing is usually pretty important as well.
Göbekli Tepe appears to be a religious site constructed by a culture, that culture was certainly supported by agriculture but it was a far cry from an actual civilisation.
I don't think it particularly pushed anything back - there are even older sedentary cultures in the Levant (about 2000-3000 years older I think). Göbekli Tepe is interesting because the structures were made out of stone but the internet has a habit of sensationalising what it actually is.
This kind of stuff is so god damn fascinating. Exploring the gradual build to civilizations is something I need to do more of. It feels like another world when you look back that far.
elrechazado
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I'm sorry but there is so much wrong here. Millennia to carve? Nonsense. The methods are well known. Every bs sensationalist misinterpretation of hieroglyphics as depicting lightbulbs and claiming no torch smoke is totally wrong, as torch smoke is evident. Right angles? Basic geometry was child's play for the Egyptians. There are multiple obelisks in process. They used pounding and polishing stones. All of your post is pure ancient aliens trafficking.
shockthrill
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it's similar to the conspiracy theory that the Ancient Indians wrote about Nuclear Weapons in the vedas
StreetDisciple
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Ethiopians consider it Cannon...btw I'm not Ethiopian. I just read the scriptures and take it for what it is
shockthrill
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is the book of enoch the one where they talk about Giants known as "Watchers" or something like that?
No that's Attack on Titan
God Dayumm
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What if the Earth was flat back then but it has been bending due to the approach of Nibiru?
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Earthbound64
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It is not unlikely at all that the pyramids were built on top of older smaller structures. Almost any church in Greece is built on something that used to be there in ancient Greece, that's why they are often in such weird places.
Also if water erosion is true for the sphynx it doesn't change much. They probably found this very old outcropt of rock and just carved part of it.
Also if water erosion is true for the sphynx it doesn't change much. They probably found this very old outcropt of rock and just carved part of it.
Seraph_Nicholas
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I did five seconds of research and found a thorough explanation of exactly how every step was performed.
The rest of this post has been redacted so as to not be banned.
ConfusingJazz
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Then who built the earlier Bent Pyramid? What about he Meidum Pyramid?
Or maybe you can draw a line over a 150 years of pyramid construction, and see they just got really good at building one big structure, and learned techniques and math through this process that eventually led to the Great Pyramid of Khufu?
They went from mastaba, to stacked mastabas, to step pyramids, to smooth pyramids, which created a class of architects, mathematicians, engineers, masons, and longshoremen dedicated to this rather lucrative trade of building "big stupid tombs for rich people," a tradition that continues to this day (just not quite as massive). The Great Pyramids of Giza didn't just happen, this took centuries of knowledge, tradition, and industry to create.
Or, angels, whatever.
StreetDisciple
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What dead king was found in the Great pyramid? It was not a tomb like we learned in kindergarten up through HS and still believed today.
Other ppl are trying to bait me into flat earth and "how old the earth is" BS. I not that guy so to those trying...nice try.
No you just give credit for the accomplishments of the past to magic people with wings sent by god.
Earthbound64
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Who's buried at Grant's tomb?
StreetDisciple
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Did you even read this? It has a lot of what I have been saying in this very thread. It is a bunch of it could have been done like this but we don't know for sure.
And Franz Löhner's theory is just that...a theory. Add his to the other hundred that are out there.
I'm out though. I just getting off of a ban for derailing a thread even though I was one of many. Peace
But I want to hear about how angels are a more legit option than all these other theories.
JonnyDBrit
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It was a tomb. It was also looted thousands of years ago. Hell, it was looted by the time of the ancient Greeks - freaking Herodotus mentions how people had taken everything of value from inside.
There is a mundane explanation you are openly ignoring because you presume it is not the already accepted, mundane explanation.
ConfusingJazz
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None, because when you mark your burial ground with the tallest structure on earth, eventually looters are going to take everything, including the gold top, and most of the polished white stones outside. The tourist entrance of the Great Pyramid is actually the robber's entrance.
Side note: One of the main theories the New Kingdom 1,000 years later decided to go with the Valley of the Kings instead of megastructures is because the Pyramids had already been emptied centuries before.
What has been found, however, have been stone sarcophagi and burial rites. And the smell of piss. This can not be overstated.
Adam_Vania
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i went to Egypt with Egyptologists who backed up all my posts. so i can either listen to them, Egyptology professors who have been working in this field for decades, or i can listen to you, some guy on the internet, who wants to jump to conclusions for an easy argument, who is making up things i didn't say. i never said lightbulbs. i never said ancient aliens. i never said they will be unknowable until the end of time. they are mysteries, we are looking into them, science will find better explanations as time goes on. maybe we will learn something new or something that was lost. you should have more faith in science.
as for the lack of torch smoke. it is true. i was there. i looked at the ceiling. my professor told me the same. again, the fact that you are making things up and saying i am talking about aliens proves you don't want a discussion.
elrechazado
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What egyptologist states that Egyptians can't create right angles? They must have published works that state these findings.
StreetDisciple
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LMAO....ok I'm back dont ban me. So you agree to the gold top, which has not been proven but ok not calling you crazy.
This is what I believe really...
https://youtu.be/Fhol3WdB4QU?t=18s
J/k
Tombs are found all around the pyramids but never inside of them.Were they looted? Of course...of dead kings? No
And as far as the granite box in the king's chamber no evidence suggest it had a body in it. Nor the room itself have evidence of a burial area.
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